ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 36

[NuttMegg]

Idaho murders: Everybody can hear each others' footsteps in 'creaky' house, former resident says

A University of Idaho graduate who previously lived in the off-campus house where four students were killed is speaking out to ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

"It's definitely an old, creaky house," said (CA), who graduated in 2022 and lived in the house during his junior year. "You can't walk up any of the stairs or on any of the floors without everybody in the house knowing it."

(snip)

The neighborhood and this house have a "very active party life," (CA) said

"A lot of students are very familiar with the inside of the home," he said.

"At parties, people would hop the fence and just, like, walk away if the cops came," he added.

Thank you gliving! I have always wondered about the noise the stairs & wood flooring may have made. Another piece of the puzzle that confirms (imo) that EC/XK were most likely awakened by the killer's movements, and by possible vocalizations from the poor girls upstairs. The wood surfaces in my own house make more noise in low-humidity months, although I don't know if those cold months in Moscow are also low humidity. Most likely the house would be drier if indoor heating is constantly cranked up.

 

[TCorey]

Thank you gliving! I have always wondered about the noise the stairs & wood flooring may have made. Another piece of the puzzle that confirms (imo) that EC/XK were most likely awakened by the killer's movements, and by possible vocalizations from the poor girls upstairs. The wood surfaces in my own house make more noise in low-humidity months, although I don't know if those very cold months in Moscow are also low humidity.

Or you could see it from the other way. If you're in a house where 6 people are sleeping over, you aren't particularly alert or bothered by noises of people walking, moving, etc. about the house since you're so used to hearing every single thing. You may tune it out and not be concerned by it at all.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Thank you gliving! I have always wondered about the noise the stairs & wood flooring may have made. Another piece of the puzzle that confirms (imo) that EC/XK were most likely awakened by the killer's movements, and by possible vocalizations from the poor girls upstairs. The wood sutfaces in my own house make more noise in low-humidity months.

Also if you check out the video in this link. It's all the girl's messing around in the house. You can kind of get a sense of the acoustics.

Final videos show Idaho students in house where they died

The videos were filmed inside their shared home in Moscow, where a killer stabbed three of the five roommates in the home to death and also killed one of the girls' boyfriends on November 13.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Allabouttrial]

Or you could see it from the other way. If you're in a house where 6 people are sleeping over, you aren't particularly alert or bothered by noises of people walking, moving, etc. about the house since you're so used to hearing every single thing. You may tune it out and not be concerned by it at all.

I agree. I do think that probably played a big part in them not noticing.

 

[PrairieWind]

Or you could see it from the other way. If you're in a house where 6 people are sleeping over, you aren't particularly alert or bothered by noises of people walking, moving, etc. about the house since you're so used to hearing every single thing. You may tune it out and not be concerned by it at all.

That is a very good point. Lot of people have been asking "how could the girls in the bottom floor not have heard anything. But maybe they were so used to hearing people coming and going that they either just tuned it out or didn't think anything of it.

 

[CityKid]

Thank you gliving! I have always wondered about the noise the stairs & wood flooring may have made. Another piece of the puzzle that confirms (imo) that EC/XK were most likely awakened by the killer's movements, and by possible vocalizations from the poor girls upstairs. The wood surfaces in my own house make more noise in low-humidity months, although I don't know if those very cold months in Moscow are also low humidity. Most likely, yes, if indoor heating is constantly cranked up.

You can hear their heavy footsteps as they stomp on the steps in their 'pretending to be each other' TikTok, but no creaking.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7159053534779149614

Zillow says it was fully renovated in 2018-19

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

1122 King Rd, Moscow ID, is a Single Family home that contains 3120 sq ft.It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $497,300, which has increased by $1,187 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $3,099/mo, which has decreased by...

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[NuttMegg]

Or you could see it from the other way. If you're in a house where 6 people are sleeping over, you aren't particularly alert or bothered by noises of people walking, moving, etc. about the house since you're so used to hearing every single thing. You may tune it out and not be concerned by it at all.

Sure, but if the unsurprising noise is accompanied by horrible vocalizations...ie maybe they didn't hear the killer going up, but then vocalizations and hearing him descend.

Also, imo a person trying to slowly, sneakily step across a noisy surface draws more attention than normal steps, ie normal frequency steps would. In any case having a "known noisy starcase" could cause the killer to avoid the front staircase, part of which appears to go almost above one bedroom. If he had been there before.

Maybe "frequency" is not the best word here, I mean steps taken at normal intervals, normal walking.

 

[FeistyCat1976]

Based on what they’ve said in the last couple interviews, I think they know who it is. I think they’re trying to find him. The expansion of the FBI across the country etc. makes me think so. It may be that that is just for looking for the vehicle, but I’m hoping it’s to go find him. I hope it won’t be too difficult and that someone is not hiding him. Otherwise, it’s freezing cold out. You can’t go camping, etc.

And if that’s true, then it probably is not any of the people everyone has talked about that is local. All those people presumably are with their friends and family. I’m hoping that they are going to look at friends and relatives of who their suspect is across the country and over the Canadian border too I would expect. I hope they find the car and can get this monster off the street.

Agreed. Chief doesn't say they don't know 'who' it is. He says they don't know 'where' the suspect is.

 

[EBW321]

Is it at all possible that the LE has already identified the exact Elantra they are looking for? Possibly even already spoken to the correct owners?

MOO-

Based off the harassment others publicly identified in the case have received.

I doubt they would release that information publicly if indeed they already have been in communication with the owner and interviewed them. Which I think is possible.

I can also see how they may still need more information on this person which is why they are still asking the public for help with locating the car, send in tips with info on owners of this car, asking for any and all surveillance or photos of the car in the area.

If the public knew they had a POI with car… they may stop sending in leads which corroborate the car, the owners and investigators theory.

It would be smarter to build the case without releasing the fact they’ve zoned in on whoever owned the car and or borrowed it.

It’s the type of information that if released the public would take and run with and attack the owner , presume guilt without reasonable doubt… become a media frenzy.

Which would make it possibly slightly more difficult on prosecutors when it came time for trial. Defense could argue the public determined this person was guilty off of wrong place , wrong time… etc.

This huge piece of evidence could possibly be muddled and without other evidence connecting the person to the crime.. (murder weapon/forensics)

The car at the crime scene which looks like a home run could end up not being enough.

Not to mention… if they’ve discovered the correct Elantra , have interviewed and have surveillance on the suspect… spooking them could lead to destruction of evidence by the perp they so desperately need.

Again… I’ve said it before… from the outside it’s tough not getting any information from the LE. But I have to believe they have narrowed in on someone, somewhere and are just collecting the key pieces of evidence they will need to prosecute the case properly and get a conviction.

 

[CityKid]

In a previous thread (which was closed before I could respond), I mentioned seeing a photo of Kaylee's room with a white duvet after the murders. It's at this link, where you can see both the second floor and third floor balconies and Kaylee's Good Vibes sign on the third floor.

Idaho murders: Former first floor tenant of Moscow home says he couldn't hear activity from other floors

A former tenant of the Moscow, Idaho, home where four college students were murdered on Nov. 13 says he couldn't hear activity from other floors when he lived on the first floor.

www.foxnews.com

Adding a screen grab here as well.

 

[vegas3245]

Agreed. Chief doesn't say they don't know 'who' it is. He says they don't know 'where' the suspect is.

they could put his pic on TV ...

 

[Allabouttrial]

Sure, but if the unsurprising noise is accompanied by horrible vocalizations...

Also, imo a person trying to slowly, sneakily step across a noisy surface draws more attention than normal steps, ie normal frequency steps would. In any case having a "known noisy starcase" could cause the killer to avoid the front staircase, part of which appears to go above one bedroom. If he had been there before.

Now that would have been some very thorough planning or someone that had been there a lot to notice that.

 

[Counttrarian]

these guys stink! How could they be attractive? All the learning from middle school dances, team sports, flipping burgers, getting a driver’s license, dating, managing school and extracurricular activities- all of it is foreign. They are still 12.

IMHO These are students that were accepted in the same school and pay the same tuition I would presume, thus not sure if believing "they are still 12" is a fair summation or should be used to believe they are more likely to do something negative.

that the rise of the incels

What I was saying, is that there are no large studies or metanalysis that:

A) There has been a substantial increase of 'incels'.
And more importantly as related to websleuths,
B) That they are more likely to commit violent crime than others.

IMHO personal anecdotes and biases are less reliable for solving crimes than statistics.

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Analysing criminal profiling validity: Underlying problems and future directions

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[NuttMegg]

Now that would have been some very thorough planning or someone that had been there a lot to notice that.

Just some rando thoughts before I have to go get all productive!

 

[PrairieWind]

You can hear their heavy footsteps as they stomp on the steps in their 'pretending to be each other' TikTok, but no creaking.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7159053534779149614

Zillow says it was fully renovated in 2018-19

1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

1122 King Rd, Moscow ID, is a Single Family home that contains 3120 sq ft.It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $497,300, which has increased by $1,187 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $3,099/mo, which has decreased by...

www.zillow.com

That place is definitely a LOT nicer than most of the places I lived in during college! lol

 

[Allabouttrial]

Based off the harassment others publicly identified in the case have received.

I doubt they would release that information publicly if indeed they already have been in communication with the owner and interviewed them. Which I think is possible.

The thing is by releasing the fact they've found the car and owner they were looking for how is that person going to be harassed?. LE wouldn't disclose that info. so surely people would be just as unaware as they are now.

 

[annpats]

That is a very good point. Lot of people have been asking "how could the girls in the bottom floor not have heard anything.

Because quite possibly there was nothing to hear. The killer didn't make much sound. He was in and out, swiftly. Job done.

 

[Allabouttrial]

It's Christmas Eve eve!
I'd love a nicely wrapped 2011-2013 white Elantra this year, decked out with ample evidence and/or witnesses to tie up this case for good. With a big bow on top, perhaps.

Ooops Christmas Eve eve. I missed an eve vis a ve Aussie!

 

[Down To Earth]

Maddie: “What did you tell Adam?”
Kaylee: “I told him EVERYTHING.”

Have you ever told someone EVERYTHING and it not been a big deal. If their conversation was benign she would’ve told her what they talked about. To answer with “I told him EVERYTHING”…

Let’s pretend that M and K had a mutual friend Stephanie that had a crush on Adam. Stephanie has been hinting to Adam that she likes him but he hasn’t seemed to pick up on it. Stephanie has told M and K that she’s head over heels for Adam, is planning to ask him to go see The Black Keys with her in January, and had a dream the other night where they were married and had two daughters together. Well guess what? Maddie had one too many Jell-O shots and gushed to Adam everything that Stephanie has said. EVERYTHING.

My scenario is obviously completely made up and I have no idea if “everything” is something completely trivial or if “everything” is somehow secret information that got a household of wonderful people murdered. There just isn’t enough context to support any one particular interpretation IMO.

 

[annpats]

this killer is a pro ... he is not a bartender or a college kid ...

This is absolutely what I think too.
The person who had a grudge or 'beef' with these students didn't do the killing himself. They got someone in to do the job. Someone who specialises in that kind of thing, and who was capable of doing it without being caught.