Maybe just the fact that the four victims were very close friends when compared to the other two people who were also in the same house and who were not killed.
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I also thought she was going to move to Austin with a friend, yet she only mentions... the dog (that she "shared" with the ex).
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I have been trying to figure that out myself. There has to be a better way to describe these guys. It's a very specific mindset: killing for pleasure. There could be any number of underlying "justifications", but they all seem the same to me.
I strongly feel that if this guy isn't apprehended, he will eventually strike again. And he may have struck before...
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Random query. Is there any body of water near Moscow, ID large enough to dump a vehicle in and have it not be visible?
Eta:I see something near Coeur d'Alene (Harrison Slough) but don't know if it would be deep enough.
Eta:I see something near Coeur d'Alene (Harrison Slough) but don't know if it would be deep enough.
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It pretty much was done right from the get go. I can't remember which day the FBI physically showed up, but they've been very involved. Chief Fry is a graduate of the FBI leadership academy or whatever they call it, knew people in the FBI. He was on vacation when the crime happened, came home immediately and I believe one of the first things he did was call the FBI. It's true that it looks like it was the ISP forensics team that collected the evidence, but I doubt the FBI forensics team would have done things much differently nor was there a reason to substitute them in for the ISP.
I am glad to see a seasoned WSer state that the crime you're referring to was eventually resolved because the killer was indeed known to the victim(s) in some way. I think this cannot be said enough. While I am on a little side trip looking at one-off and serial killers who used knives or who went into private houses, I believe it's possible for the murderer to be both a friend/acquaintance/member of the victims' broader community AND have the mentality of Thrill Killer OR a Vengeance Killer.
Why all four? Occam's razor might say "Because he knew all four." (As a starting proposition). The four share lifestyle and certain friendship bonds that the two survivors seem not to share.
It is disregard for the law, though - even if also adolescent behavior. I guess society is going to have to figure out whether the laws should be ignored for "adolescents" who are of drinking age, or who are living on their own without adult supervision. I am not of the school of thought that adolescence necessarily ends at age 25 (I believe there's no strong research on that - especially from outside the US/English-speaking world).
I say this because we teachers of this age group have to deal with this group. Should we just give them all passes on their dishonest or mildly to moderately antisocial behavior in the classroom too? Is the view that adolescents *need* to party, because the resources these partying students are spending from Moscow's LE budget is significant. I do wonder how locals ("townies") might feel. I know it impacts academics, but of course, that often seems to be everyone's least concern.
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She was joining her in June.
Kaylee Goncalves, who was from Rathdrum, Idaho, had been set to graduate early in December and planned to move to Austin, Texas, with one of her close friends in June. The friend, Jordyn Quesnell, said Ms. Goncalves had secured a position with a marketing firm and was excited to explore more of the country.
Idaho Murders: What We Know
A man who was studying for a Ph.D. at a nearby university is charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho undergraduates. Many questions remain.
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Great question...if indeed a budding Serial KIller or this is his second kill, and the first kill was different and not yet connected to this one not yet at least.
I would look for a pattern of animal disappearances, mutations, and tortures near their home as a child/teen than a series of small B&E/peeping tom crimes then unsolved disappearances or a murder. Since it's easy to jump on a plane or in a car the radius could extend much further than Moscow, ID depending on where the killer grew up.
A pattern will emerge. So, the DNA found on this site most likely has NOT been matched at a previous homicide crime scene and the killer has NO police record, no DNA on file, or fingerprints...
(snipped) Have the police said there was an unusual degree of rage directed at KG? I only remember her father saying her wounds were worse than MM's, but no mention by LE that different wounds meant different rage from the killer(s).
Per K5 (Seattle), which I hope is acceptable here, yes.
Family, friends remember slain University of Idaho student Ethan Chapin at vigil
Ethan Chapin was killed on Nov. 13 in a home near the University of Idaho’s campus alongside his girlfriend and her two roommates.
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Perhaps this individual also wants to be more horrific than previous ones especially now that this much time has passed. He may have or begin to taunt LE which of course are details that would not be made public. DISCLAIMER: all my opinion and speculation
The thing that makes make believe the killer is somewhat related is the fact he decided to go in with five cars in front. The risk of someone getting away of being attacked yourself would be gigantic. He must have felt a lot of anger or rage. Really feels like a do or die action.
My gut says the same. Her parents seemed to think they'd marry and have kids, while K was off making her own plans MOO. They were speaking very highly of her ex at the beginning as well. I can imagine this young girl getting ready to fly the coop might have felt she'd let down her parents if she broke up with the guy they all really loved and so she kept those personal details to herself.
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6 weeks and 38 threads in, all I know for sure is that this case is really a mystery to me
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They have repeatedly said they want to talk to the occupant(s) of the Elantra. Whether or not that's subterfuge, we can't know. But it doesn't seem like they are all that interested in recovering the physical car at all, which leads me to believe there would be no reason to sink/hide/destroy it, really.
Then again, maybe that's just what they want us to think...
Referring to your mention of patterns I too have been thinking that. However if they do happen let’s say hypothetically dead coyotes placed around frat homes or girls panties being tampered with etc etc those are not facts considered ‘related to this case’ so are off limits for discussion. Is that correct?
That could also be due to fighting back or, if sleeping, in a position that required more effort from a killer to get the desired effect. (I hate myself for having typed this out.)
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Was she really set to graduate in December? It seems odd that she didn't really seem to live there during her last semester. Could this be another personal detail she kept to herself?
Just bought a car, set to graduate early in December (as opposed to May/June?), going to travel in Europe in January, then set to move to Texas in February?
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I don't disagree, I was just wondering. I personally think they believe they know what car it is, but maybe don't have cause to search it. I was wondering in case the car goes AWOL should it not be already in their possession.They have repeatedly said they want to talk to the occupant(s) of the Elantra. Whether or not that's subterfuge, we can't know. But it doesn't seem like they are all that interested in recovering the physical car at all, which leads me to believe there would be no reason to sink/hide/destroy it, really.
Then again, maybe that's just what they want us to think...
All JMO.
I wonder if the rage and more extensive woulds towards kg was due to the fact she may have woke upbefore or during attack? So the killer had to inflict more wounds to silence and kill her then the others who were asleep. So Kg may not have been the target at all. She just may have been the one with opportunity to put up a fight.
Do we know if kg is the one with the defensive wounds? If so this theory makes sense.
That could also be due to fighting back or, if sleeping, in a position that required more effort from a killer to get the desired effect. (I hate myself for having typed this out.)
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