ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

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The FBI former agent (link in previous thread) said this kind of knife is considered a "relic" nowadays.
The perp might be much older than the victims.
Maybe a hunter who visited these areas, so no exactly local?

By the way, it was reported that the perp locked the bedroom doors - does it mean the door keys were left in the locks by the victims?

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A former FBI agent said a hunting knife was a relic Nowadays? Seriously?
Idaho is a outdoorsy state, hunting and fishing are part of the culture, like Texas. I’m thinking they are out of touch or haven’t spent much time in the outdoors.
Ask around to young men who live in the country, and camp, fish, hunt, it is very common for them to carry some kind of hunting knife. It is needed for many things if you hike/ backpack camping in the woods.
Check online for Bass Pro, Dick’s Outdoors, Amazon, Academy- all of them sell these knives.
 
I just cannot imagine LE or anyone asking for a reward for information for this kind of crime. It’s sick to even think you have to offer someone money for information in a case like this. Is this what the world has come to?!
Money isn't offered for people that would morally want to be helpful anyway. Money is offered for people that otherwise would not talk IMO
 
Danny Rolling lived for weeks in the Gainesville woods before/during/after those murders. He also used a Ka-Bar knife
Well but the area around the house is not really woods, per se. It’s more like treed, lol. And there’s a golf course.
That back road from King to Blake is on the perimeter of town and I don’t see street facing residences or businesses, but I haven’t looked for Cams.
Has anyone else?
 
The blood was located right under one of the bedrooms (where the couple was in).
This doesn't make sense to me. I would expect the bedrooms to be carpeted. Would not the carpet soak up most, if not all, of the blood? I would expect it would absorb enough of it that it wouldn't run to the exterior the way it appears to have.
 
Yes, absolutely. “Beyond a reasonable doubt”
Not only that, but if this was a party house there will be DNA from party goers. None of us clean well enough to remove the DNA from visitors to our homes, so that could be a lot of people to eliminate. Imagine how many people could have attended parties there in the last few years if K attended the school and lived there for four years.
Samples would have to focus on the bodies and blood, and bedrooms where there would be less visitors than common spaces
Tough job for certain

IMO
 
The perp would not have to be that sneaky to walk a mile off sidewalks. For instance thru the wooded area in the back then stay away from sidewalks with a hoodie up. JMO

But, he still could be on someone's camera even miles away. But, for sure he covered up his face. At least this is a small town. What is annoying is when you hear about a crime, and then it comes out cameras were not working....epstein anyone?
 
Well but the area around the house is not really woods, per se. It’s more like treed, lol. And there’s a golf course.
That back road from King to Blake is on the perimeter of town and I don’t see street facing residences or businesses, but I haven’t looked for Cams.
Has anyone else?

Rolling's camp was several miles from the crime scenes. Wouldn't have to set up right next to the house. I'm not saying this is what happened, just that these things have happened in the past and shouldn't be ruled out.
 
And now hearing friend's where called and showed at the house contaminating the crime scene with footprint's will be a huge problem...
Not really. The house was occupied by 5 students, and they often had visitors (parties). Collecting DNA from the house would be pointless. Collecting DNA from the bedding would be useful - and I doubt that anyone touched the bedding since the 911 callers seemed unsure whether the victims were deceased or unconscious.

Footprints are also not really a problem. Whoever came to the house after the murders will have their shoe prints recorded and excluded. It's highly unlikely that anyone stepped in the blood - other than perhaps the culprit. Luminol will be used to identify invisible blood footprints.
 
I'm not sure if button locks can be locked from the outside, but my 3 bathroom and 3 bedroom doors have thumbturn locks on them, and it is possible to lock those from the outside just by turning the locking piece into position and closing the door from the outside.
Did some sleuthing and at least one of the bedrooms on the first level had a thumbturn lock. Reasonable to assume the other bedrooms might have too, so very possible the killer could have locked it this way then closed the doors.
 
A dog wasn't skinned with a knife. I doubt this is the work of a homeless man. Most homeless types are very disorganized. Also, I don't think this is the work of someone mentally disturbed, only a psychopath. MO is this is a revenge killing. If they can figure out who the revenge was against.
or Avenging, IMO
 
Some thoughts (all MOO) on why authorities are taking a while to process the scene...

The house was a "party house," with neighbors reporting that "probably four or five nights a week" they would see people in the windows of the house (FOX News). Because so many people visited the house, the task of collecting DNA and fingerprints and determining the source of that DNA/prints is made exponentially more complicated. So in addition to the DNA and prints of the three deceased roommates, 2 surviving roommates, and Ethan Chapin (who did not live in house but was staying the night with his girlfriend), there are likely dozens more people whose DNA/prints may be found in the home–– family, friends, boyfriends, hookups, siblings, acquaintances who dropped by during a party, etc.

If authorities are relying on DNA to identify the killer (or at least use DNA to compare against a known suspect), they will be up for a challenge. Anyone who entered the home and touched any surface in that home for more than 2 seconds (the minimum amount of time required to transfer enough DNA for a full profile) would have left their DNA in the house.

Even if we consider only the surfaces that the killer is most likely to have touched before/during/after the attacks, there will probably be multiple unidentified DNA profiles (either full or partial):

- The sliding glass door in the kitchen and the front door on the first floor will probably have DNA/fingerprints from all the residents of the house as well as any guests/partygoers since they are primary entrances/exits to the house (and from the social media accounts of the victims, it seems the back patio was a common hangout/party spot).

- The bedroom doors of the victims will obviously have the DNA of the occupants, potentially other roommates, as well as maybe friends/boyfriends –– not quite as frequently touched as the sliding glass door and front door, but still significantly more than the average non-college house.

Additionally, I don't think that in this case touch DNA evidence/fingerprints alone will be enough to identify a suspect, let alone convict them. Unlike a non-party house where the occupants would likely be able to provide LE with a list of people who have been in the house in the last month or so, the coming and goings of partygoers would make it extremely difficult (if not impossible) for LE to gather a list of people whose DNA/fingerprints can be expected to be in the house. A good defense attorney would be able to argue at trial that the presence of the defendant's DNA/fingerprints alone is not sufficient to tie him to the crime (i.e., he stopped by a party at the house which is how his DNA/fingerprints got there, not because he was the perpetrator).

IMO the only truly useful DNA in this case for the purpose of prosecution would be blood DNA and touch DNA found on the bodies or on the beds of the victims.
 
But they were all asleep when they were attacked.
I thought it was said it was possible a couple of them may have been attacked in bed and one was seen 'unconscious'. Was that person in bed too? Or has that all been updated? Y'all do post quickly. Haha
 
This doesn't make sense to me. I would expect the bedrooms to be carpeted. Would not the carpet soak up most, if not all, of the blood? I would expect it would absorb enough of it that it wouldn't run to the exterior the way it appears to have.

The floors are wood according to the Zillow listing last updated on 2/18/2020
 
Hi, new member here.

Just wanted to add my two cents that it seems like they had a lot of fairy lights on the walls in different rooms of the house which I would imagine would make the house more visible inside. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that someone unfamiliar with the house would probably be stumbling in the dark but with all the fairy lights (presuming they were left on overnight) it might not have been as difficult to get around the house quietly. JMO.
 
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