ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[Mistree]

So the thought are that the boy is in the water under suspicious circumstances? I was thinking that if the boy is found drowned, it was an accident.

Do I have to climb back on the fence so soon after getting off?

JMO.

It is my personal opinion that he is in the reservoir, OR another area of water.
My family who has participated in the searches, as well as word I'm hearing from them is
that many have hinky meters going through the roof. I hope he is lost, and hiding out somewhere and
this doesn't end up being a criminal case, BUT; as you know we here at WS have followed many many missing
child cases and maybe that makes us more hypersensitive to how different people grieve, vs. what may in fact be the norm
for that particular person or persons.
The area of the camping spot is wide open, and there were many families there that weekend.
Due to decomp, if he is in that water or other water beds, bloat would have already occurred and I would assume (not 100%) he would be floating
at the surface by now.
Remember the case of Russell and Shirley, in Georgia? she was even tied down heavily as to prevent floating to the surface, and she still did.
I truly, truly hope this is not the case of our little guy here.
I might also mention, there are cabins everywhere in that area. They are spread out from one another, and some are close, MAYBE he found one to hide in. Gosh wouldn't that be awesome?

 

[Trident]

If you do purchase one or some of his books, order from his website. He does not have a contract with Amazon to sell them. If you search for them on Amazon, the prices are incredibly inflated - sometimes $75 per book. I think he sells them for around $25 each and they are worth it. I have only read the first one, but was kind of disturbed by them because the disappearances of the children are heartbreaking and only a few have happy endings. But, the more you read, the more you are able to recognize patterns.

BTW - Paulides' books document case after case of missing children in parks or wilderness areas in the U.S., Canada and in other countries. As far as I can tell, it is very, very rarely found that parents had anything to do with these types of disappearances.

True about the money. I bought all 3 Missing 411 books at one time for less than Amazon asks for 1, plus they shipped them expedited service for free.

In one of Paulides books he quotes some WS members talking about their experiences on the Appalachian Trail.

 

[teeandcee]

there were many families there that weekend.

Ah ha, finally! If it was crowded like this it puts a damper on my predator theory, especially a cougar. A bear not so much. Interesting about all the cabins. I sure hope he's in one too. That would be a miracle.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

True about the money. I bought all 3 Missing 411 books at one time for less than Amazon asks for 1, plus they shipped them expedited service for free.

In one of Paulides books he quotes some WS members talking about their experiences on the Appalachian Trail.

This is a really interesting site with 360 degree views of some of the sites discussed in the Missing 411 book. I wish we had something similar for this case!

http://www.vistaramicjourneys.com/missing-411

 

[Penelope]

It is my personal opinion that he is in the reservoir, OR another area of water.
My family who has participated in the searches, as well as word I'm hearing from them is
that many have hinky meters going through the roof. I hope he is lost, and hiding out somewhere and
this doesn't end up being a criminal case, BUT; as you know we here at WS have followed many many missing
child cases and maybe that makes us more hypersensitive to how different people grieve, vs. what may in fact be the norm
for that particular person or persons.

If they find him in the river and determine that a crime was committed, it could have been committed by someone else at the park that day. (Remember Ted Bundy trolling for victims in the broad daylight on a crowded beach at Sammamish State Park near Seattle. Witnesses saw him wearing a sling and asking for help unloading a sailboat. He ended up kidnapping and killing two girls that day.) It would be easy to lure a wandering young child away - too easy.

 

[Elainera]

That's my understanding from pics and direct statements from dad in interview. water is "up" the sides of hill or mountain. They were camping in what was described as a flat area, like the bottom of a bowl area. So they were on flat ground and when it stopped being flat, it went "Up" on all sides.

Yes thank you, that's what I remembered as well. I asked because someone wrote earlier that kids are drawn to water, to play and explore, but if the family camped lower than the reservoir Deorr wouldn't have been able to see the water, so wouldn't have been drawn in the direction of the reservoir because of it. Of course, he might have walked in that direction anyway and just happened to find the reservoir and fallen in. Or he might have seen it in passing, when they drove by (if they drove by it) and remembered the direction.

 

[ClaireNC]

The area of the camping spot is wide open, and there were many families there that weekend.

There are only two or three campsites in that campground. There is no water and trash needs to be packed out, plus it is many miles on a rough dirt road to get there. Are you sure there were "many families there that weekend."? Where did that information come from? It sounds like a pretty remote spot, where only those that are hard core campers would camp.

 

[Elainera]

If you do purchase one or some of his books, order from his website. He does not have a contract with Amazon to sell them. If you search for them on Amazon, the prices are incredibly inflated - sometimes $75 per book. I think he sells them for around $25 each and they are worth it. I have only read the first one, but was kind of disturbed by them because the disappearances of the children are heartbreaking and only a few have happy endings. But, the more you read, the more you are able to recognize patterns.

BTW - Paulides' books document case after case of missing children in parks or wilderness areas in the U.S., Canada and in other countries. As far as I can tell, it is very, very rarely found that parents had anything to do with these types of disappearances.

bbm - what types of disappearances are you referring to in this sentence? Those that happened in parks/in the wilderness specifically?

 

[ClaireNC]

Paulides research sounds fascinating, Penelope. Thanks for sharing the info.

 

[Elainera]

I have a question regarding the creek. I know they say they searched it high and low, it's not very deep at all, and are "100%" sure he's not in it, but I wonder how strong is the current in that creek? I think the most likely scenario is still that he is in the creek and was overlooked, or was washed away further than they estimated. He only weighs 28 pounds.

The parents went down the path to the creek to explore, Deorr stayed behind with his grandpa. His mom said that he's more the clingy type iirc, I think it's likely that at one point he decided to go after mom and dad and toddled off in the direction he saw them leave, and then went down to the creek at a different spot as his parents were. It looked very steep, the reporter in one video even pointed out that it is indeed very steep to go down to the creek, he might have fallen, tumbled down, was knocked out, and drowned instantly.

Possible?

 

[concernedmother]

Awe. Our little man had a hot wheels truck in his pocket. (from NG show tonight)

 

[ninij9]

No - Davis Paulides does not say that. He has purposely tried to keep any mention of Bigfoot out of the books. He does say that many of the disappearances are unexplained, and that there is a history of disappearances in National Parks and Forests that hasn't really been publicized as much as it should. What I got out of reading his book and in listening to his talks is the following:
- He is not sure what is going on other than that these disappearances have been happening in clusters since the 1800s.
- There is no National database for people who have gone missing in National Parks according to the National Parks Service - at least not one that is not accessible to the public.
- There are a lot more people that have gone missing than the general public is aware of.
- From what I can tell from what I have heard/read, it is rare that tracking dogs are able to locate the child/adult.
- That many times parents of children who go missing in National Parks believe that their child has been abducted or kidnapped and this belief will last a lifetime if the child or the child's remains are never recovered.
- As I stated before, these children go missing very quickly - you see them one minute and the next they are gone. It's like they are able to travel a distance more quickly that we think they can.
- That Deorr's disappearance follows the pattern of what he has found in the disappearance of children.
- That it would usually become apparent fairly quickly if the child was taken by a cougar or bear - there would be tracks or evidence.

IMO it is important that we are aware of these disappearances and the patterns. I hope this explains why I posted this information.

I am totally intrigued. I think I will Google these books. It reminds me somewhat of the Bermuda triangle!

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[*JMO*]

Heard some new info (to me) tonight on NG.
Great grandad has some health issues, apparently is in his 70's, his friend that was with them is a male and was unknown to mom and dad until the camping weekend.

 

[TxJan1971]

I have a question regarding the creek. I know they say they searched it high and low, it's not very deep at all, and are "100%" sure he's not in it, but I wonder how strong is the current in that creek? I think the most likely scenario is still that he is in the creek and was overlooked, or was washed away further than they estimated. He only weighs 28 pounds.

The parents went down the path to the creek to explore, Deorr stayed behind with his grandpa. His mom said that he's more the clingy type iirc, I think it's likely that at one point he decided to go after mom and dad and toddled off in the direction he saw them leave, and then went down to the creek at a different spot as his parents were. It looked very steep, the reporter in one video even pointed out that it is indeed very steep to go down to the creek, he might have fallen, tumbled down, was knocked out, and drowned instantly.

Possible?

BBM
Video of campground, creek, and where parents went exploring (According to the reporter)
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/a-closer-look-the-campground-where-deorr-kunz-disappeared/

Of note on the video:
at 0:11 - shows creek flowing
at 0:51-1:05 - shows campsite area - last place DeOrr seen, steep dropoff to the creek
at 1:22 indicates direction where parents went off to explore - away from the campsite

It appears to me that the direction the reporter indicates the parents went is not near the creek; however, dad did state they were only gone about 10 minutes and on the way back he stopped by the creek, saw some minnows, & thought DeOrr might like to see them etc. -- so we know at some point dad was by the creek since he mentioned seeing the fish.

 

[concernedmother]

Heard some new info (to me) tonight on NG.
Great grandad has some health issues, apparently is in his 70's, his friend that was with them is a male and was unknown to mom and dad until the camping weekend.

I didnt get to watch all of it because I made a quick trip to the store. Wonder how long gp knew this other man?

 

[*JMO*]

On NG they also stated that food coloring is being used in the water to mark areas already searched. It was also said that the parents have remained at the campsite and are apparently staying in a tent there until their baby is found.

 

[concernedmother]

On NG they also stated that food coloring is being used in the water to mark areas already searched. It was also said that the parents have remained at the campsite and are apparently staying in a tent there until their baby is found.

I hope the community is taking them food.

 

[*JMO*]

I didnt get to watch all of it because I made a quick trip to the store. Wonder how long gp knew this other man?

That was all the info they really had. In answer to a question, the reporter said that nothing regarding his background had been disclosed but either the reporter had been told or was assuming that was being looked into.

 

[*JMO*]

This article states that the parents and the baby's aunt are camping out about 4/10s of a mile from the original campsite.

That would make more sense than what I posted earlier (that they were staying at the actual campsite) since it is the scene of an active search. Not sure if I misheard or if it was stated incorrectly. Either way, setting the record straight.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/15/missing-boy-deorr-search-dogs/30209081/

 

[taagean]

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f51...ve-Timber-Creek-campground---Paul-Boehlke.jpg

Hopefully this picture is here - I'm not good at this! Googled "Stone Reservoir Idaho" and clicked on Images. The campground does appear to be in a bit of a bowl. The title of the photo states "Stone Reservoir above Timber Creek Campground"

ETA: Just noticed the same photo is on the link below my post.