ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #17

[Deleted member 102539]

http://kboi2.com/news/local/report-...issing-toddler-deorr-kunz-officially-suspects

Sheriff on missing toddler DeOrr Kunz's parents: 'They know where he is absolutely'

The sheriff said the investigation began to turn in the second week of January after the FBI and behavior analysts turned over their findings. Detectives brought them in yet again for follow up interviews and they continued with their story, the sheriff says.

"I thought I'd give them another opportunity to tell us what happened, " he said. "I decided it was time the public knew what my concerns were -- I don't believe we have an abducted child."

 

[juli99]

There is physical evidence of what happened.. that statement makes me feel a bit sick.

 

[kimi_SFC]

http://kboi2.com/news/local/report-...issing-toddler-deorr-kunz-officially-suspects

Sheriff on missing toddler DeOrr Kunz's parents: 'They know where he is absolutely'

The sheriff said the investigation began to turn in the second week of January after the FBI and behavior analysts turned over their findings. Detectives brought them in yet again for follow up interviews and they continued with their story, the sheriff says.

"I thought I'd give them another opportunity to tell us what happened, " he said. "I decided it was time the public knew what my concerns were -- I don't believe we have an abducted child."

Bringing these images from the embedded video at FromGermany's link:

#FindLittleDeOrr

:candle:


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[Inthedetails]

There is physical evidence of what happened.. that statement makes me feel a bit sick.

Yes, of course. We all feel affection for that little tyke. But, the physical evidence might be what is needed to bring dignity and justice to DeOrr. Hang tough.

 

[desert-blue]

By LAW, LE is required to have probable cause for stopping her in the first place. With no other citations, it makes me wonder what the probable cause (if any) might have been.

Probably a burnt out tail light or headlight - they usually just give you a warning for such offenses, however they still want to see your license and registration.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Klein on the radio now http://tunein.com/radio/News-Radio-590-s33091/

Does anyone have a transcript?

 

[LisaB]

Both those links give me a Sorry, this content is not available at the moment error.

What is SBS?

Shaken baby Syndrome. She seems to be an advocate for the cause. But I'd think Deorr was too old to shake to death. I could be wrong.

 

[ninij9]

Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman told Dateline it's because of DeOrr's parents' inconsistent stories that they are being named suspects at this time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/par...ed-suspects-summer-2015-disappearance-n503966

With all due respect, this is not a quote from Sherrif Bowerman. The only direct quotes I can find is that he uses the words "POI" as he does for all four if them. The wording in this article is the phrasing of the newspaper. I just think the distinction is huge. It's only my opinion of course. Quite possible I'm not reading it correctly.

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[ILOKAL]

Probably a burnt out tail light or headlight - they usually just give you a warning for such offenses, however they still want to see your license and registration.

Or a bent (obscured) license plate. That's used quite often around here.

 

[LisaB]

I am still leaning toward shaken baby syndrome, they killed him and knew they would be charged with murder/abuse so they hid the body. It was NO Accident, they would have called 911 for an accident, the only time people wont call 911 is if they know the body is going to contradict their story and they will be facing jail/prison time. That's the only reasonable explanation I can think of. No hot car, no accident. Yea they probably didn't mean to shake him to death, or punish him to the point of no return but it happens.

In a child as old and mobile as Deorr, I'd think that a tumble down a steep hill would produce similar symptoms as SBS. Therefore, I'd see no reason for them to try to cover it up, except by saying he fell.

 

[mrjitty]

See, I would think a third party's car would add an assumption of something we don't know exists. So, say, for Vilt, Occam's razor might mean the child was handed off to a third party. For me, that seems like a stretch. So the theory with the least assumptions seems to be unique to the mind of the theorist.

I dunno. I have just seen people invoke Occam's razor (pretty smart people) and be wrong. So it's certainly not foolproof.


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I don't believe it has an extra assumption.

So for example

Fact: The body is not found in the search radius.

Hypothesis: The body must have been moved by car

This argument is deductive. In other words assuming the boy is dead, and not in the radius, but that he died at camp, then the car hypothesis is almost certainly true.

From here we can add a step of inductive reasoning.

The father had a truck - therefore the truck was used. This is a probabilistic argument.

However this extra inductive step could be wrong. Especially if no hits can be found on the truck.

This is where having a theory of the case is so useful to police.

Because assuming the car theory must be true - but given no evidence on the truck - we could now induce the existence of a different car.


So we have to be careful about using occam

Especially if the dogs have not hit on the truck, Occam might suggest that no body was ever in the truck

 

[redheart]

With all due respect, this is not a quote from Sherrif Bowerman. The only direct quotes I can find is that he uses the words "POI" as he does for all four if them. The wording in this article is the phrasing of the newspaper. I just think the distinction is huge. It's only my opinion of course. Quite possible I'm not reading it correctly.

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THis has been answered several times now with links. The Sherriff DID say they are suspects.

Sheriff names parents suspects in disappearance of Idaho toddler
By Crimesider Staff CBS News January 25, 2016, 4:26 PM

[...]
"They are the top persons of interest," Bowerman told CBS affiliate KBOI. "Does that mean they're suspects? Yeah I think so."

Parents of Missing Idaho Toddler Named Suspects in Summer 2015 Disappearance
by Rachael Trost NBC News Dateline Jan 25 2016, 4:46 pm ET

"We first became real suspicious of mom and dad after their initial polygraph tests, taken several weeks after DeOrr went missing. Then this past weekend, when the FBI handed over their reports and interviews, that's when we made the decision to inform the public," Sheriff Bowerman told Dateline.

There are more links in the Media Thread.

 

[Vail]

I believe DeOrr was killed as a result of gross negligence. He either expired in a hot car, was run over, or fell into the fire. I also believe people will try to cover up something like that when they are frantic, may be complicit in other ways such as posessing drugs, and are ignorant of the law to the contrary. Someone like DeOrr Sr may immediately deduce that he would be held accountable and lose his job or license. I think he is the primary perp here and always have, due to his statements and actions. Jessica may have only put the pieces together after the fact. He has a lawyer now because he knows he will need one. If Jessica knows she is innocent, there would be no reason to get one until she is forced to, though I hope she realises she is already in neck deep for not coming forward.

 

[LisaB]

No doubt now. Vilt wrote the letter. And they never paid him.

AND...
The relative who started the , apparently "misappropriated" the $1,900 collected?????

 

[ClaireNC]

With all due respect, this is not a quote from Sherrif Bowerman. The only direct quotes I can find is that he uses the words "POI" as he does for all four if them. The wording in this article is the phrasing of the newspaper. I just think the distinction is huge. It's only my opinion of course. Quite possible I'm not reading it correctly.

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You really need to listen to the videos to hear him say it. In the video posted below the reporter asks "Are you calling them suspects?" and Bowerman responds "Absolutely". He says it in many of the other videos as well.

It is here too: http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...-parents-suspects-his-disappearance/79301014/

Near the end of the video and in the article he says: "We asked the sheriff about fundraising efforts, here is what he had to say:

"I'm getting a lot of calls from the public - should we donate money to help find Deorr Kunz? And I can't honestly say yes or no knowing that the family is less than truthful. I think it's only fair that the public knows that they are suspects that we are continuing our investigation and that they aren't being truthful.""

 

[ILOKAL]

You really need to listen to the videos to hear him say it. In the Dateline video posted above the reporter asks "Does that mean the parents are suspects?" and Bowerman responds "Absolutely". He says it in many of the other videos as well.

In the Dateline interview, when asked if being at the top of the list of POI's means they are suspects, Bowerman replied, "Yeah, I think so."

 

[LisaB]

Yes she does. He never ever went anywhere without them.

I know she had them after he disappeared... I think the question is "Has she thrown them out since?"

 

[ILOKAL]

There is physical evidence of what happened.. that statement makes me feel a bit sick.

Well, then read this about physical evidence. It is evidence that comes from a non-living origin.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3448300449.html

 

[LisaB]

OMG! How did Vilt come to even think that JM didn't want DeOrr and was thinking of letting someone adopt him illegally without DK's knowledge? This is a HUGE leap.

Not really, if you listen to the interview. I do not think it is what happened, but it certainly COULD have.

 

[neesaki]

I could be wrong, but I am thinking the 4 hours unaccounted for time refers to the cash register receipt time until the lst responders showed up at the campsite. There is no way the parents would know when responders or a ranger somewhere in the park would show up though.

I was thinking about the 4 hours off and on all night If it refers to the cash register receipt, did GGP recant his statement about seeing little Deorr after they returned from the store? Where did this 4 hours come from ?