ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #2

[bluesneakers]

Double post.

 

[tiffay01]

I definitely don't want the thread closed down, I wasn't pointing or sleuthing anyone. Since it was in MSM about the other counties offering to help with background checks. I was wondering if this has been done on any if not all. I didn't see it as anything off limits. I also apologize for jumping quickly, and thinking it was new info.

 

[sunflowerchick]

I believe it is standard procedure in (young) missing children cases that right-off-the-bat LE does a parallel investigation, although have we heard if the FBI is involved? I also don't recall the police saying anyone was 'cleared' more like 'we're good with the parents', and nothing about anyone else, but what does 'good' mean?

Again, I just think too much is being read in here. LE communicates the best way they know how and sometimes that leaves it open to interpretation. I don't think they are as meticulous about what they say as people think they are or as much as they would have us believe. In fact, I bet they sometimes go home at night thinking "darn! Why did I say that?"

 

[Jules71]

BBM

IIRC Pictures on FB show dad with a "dually" which has an extended cab and all their gear would go in the bed. IIRC extended cab trucks have 6 seatbelts because they have bench seats. Not all, but most and I am guessing that would be the case here.

That is the silver truck right? He stated his truck is black and I don't think that one has the large cab, does it?

 

[desert-blue]

With that said, do any of our key players in this have a criminal background that we know if?

Are Mitchell's parents considered "key players" or no?

 

[takeitfromme412]

In cases where even if LE does not tell the public they fear abduction as a first real possibility they deploy the CARD (Child Abduction Rapid Deployment) team. FBI I think is offering any resources needed via request, but there is no huge CARD deployed on the ground that I have heard of.
I believe (IMO) what the police mean is the parents are cooperative and talking, aren't going anywhere, we don't have that bad vibe on them kinda thing.

I believe it is standard procedure in (young) missing children cases that right-off-the-bat LE does a parallel investigation, although have we heard if the FBI is involved? I also don't recall the police saying anyone was 'cleared' more like 'we're good with the parents', and nothing about anyone else, but what does 'good' mean?

 

[Jules71]

Not sure why I couldn't quote your post. Hoping this works.




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Good point. Either they caught someone doing it or someone offered the info.

This could even be a possibility for why they were camping here and why gr-grandpa and/or friend we're along. Maybe someone close recently passed and it was their wish to have ashes spread here.

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Sorry for quoting my own post, but I did find someone who shares JM's mother's maiden name from Idaho Falls who passed away on 7/5/15. It could very well have been this group who was dumping cremains in the reservoir. Of course there is nothing concrete to go on to know for sure. Might just be a coincidence.

 

[takeitfromme412]

In cases where even if LE does not tell the public they fear abduction as a first real possibility they deploy the CARD (Child Abduction Rapid Deployment) team. FBI I think is offering any resources needed via request, but there is no huge CARD deployed on the ground that I have heard of.
I believe (IMO) what the police mean is the parents are cooperative and talking, aren't going anywhere, we don't have that bad vibe on them kinda thing.

I believe it is standard procedure in (young) missing children cases that right-off-the-bat LE does a parallel investigation, although have we heard if the FBI is involved? I also don't recall the police saying anyone was 'cleared' more like 'we're good with the parents', and nothing about anyone else, but what does 'good' mean?

 

[tiffay01]

Are Mitchell's parents considered "key players" or no?

Honestly, I don't know. I am afraid to say much more on this thought because I would hate to get the thread closed or a TO [emoji16]! I would assume anyone involved in a case similar to this would be a "key player"! But I don't know for certain.

 

[Dee10]

Again, I just think too much is being read in here. LE communicates the best way they know how and sometimes that leaves it open to interpretation. I don't think they are as meticulous about what they say as people think they are or as much as they would have us believe. In fact, I bet they sometimes go home at night thinking "darn! Why did I say that?"

I agree it is many times crafted so you can interpret it different ways & I suspect many/most times it is geared towards a perp or advance LE purposes and there is usually only one LE spokesperson so it is well geared for the press IMO.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Very much so. In fact, he will be on Coast to Coast AM tonight 1AM - 5AM, EST; 10PM - 2AM PST. I believe it will be well worth the listen. I've read all but his latest book and I look at things a bit differently these days.

In case anyone needs to find the radio station in his/her area... Here is a link:

Regardless if we wish to entertain some of the theories Paulides presents...or not... His wealth of statistics of missing persons is interesting... IMO...

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/07/20

JMO

 

[sarx]

Trying to play catch up. Have they said hope they determined dogs were hitting on cremains? IOW, was there a pile, a baggie?

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[TxJan1971]

So we should assume that 2 different types of dogs were used ones that find living people and ones that find only deseased

BBM
Just sharing.

Links regarding dogs:

Scent Tracking Dogs:
We have new information just released today from the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office. They say scent-tracking dogs led searchers to the banks of Stone Reservoir. This is the second time divers have searched the reservoir, which is shallow, small and clear.
http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local...dogs/30209081/

AND

Scent Dogs:
Divers and others focused on the reservoir about 50 miles southeast of Salmon Wednesday but found no sign of 2-year-old DeOrr Kunz. On Tuesday, scent dogs led searchers to that section of reservoir — the second set of search dogs to show marked interest in that area, Lemhi County Sheriff's Office Chief Deputy Steve Penner told the Post Register.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/07/15/3897072/search-continues-at-reservoir.html#storylink=cpy

Cadaver Dogs:
Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman told Dateline divers were searching Timber Creek Reservoir again Wednesday after cadaver dogs indicated there may be more there to find. A comprehensive search of the 2.5-mile radius of the family's campsite turned up no clues.
http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/idah...mpsite-n392776

AND

Cadaver Dogs:
Police divers have been methodically searching every square inch of the reservoir for the little boy after cadaver dogs indicated there may be something there. However, Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman tells HLN they just learned that someone had been dumping human cremains in the reservoir, and that very well could be the smell the dogs picked up on.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/07/17/deorr-kunz-missing-family-fear-abducted

Dog Units - Scent
Their plan now is to bring in a couple dog units to help pick up any scent the child may have left behind.

"Probably most of searching from now on is going to involve a K9 effort," said Penner.

Right now, the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office is still open to all possibilities. They plan to continue their search efforts with K9 units for at least the next couple of days.
http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/idaho/2015/07/14/search-deorr-kunz-lemhi-county/30162615/

Search Dogs:
When police arrived they launched a widespread search for the tot spanning at least 2.5 miles. The rescue effort included hundreds of volunteers, helicopters, search dogs and the Salmon Search and Rescue and the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-campground-asks-leads-boy.html#ixzz3g0308tN2

Search Dogs:
Lemhi County immediately initiated a search. Responders included the Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office, Salmon Police Department, Salmon Search and Rescue, and Leadore EMTs. After a comprehensive search of the immediate area surrounding the campground, other resources were dispatched including divers from the Salmon Search and Rescue and Lemhi CSO, search dogs from Search and Rescue and Salmon PD, horseback resources from the Salmon and Leadore area and others. Other resources on scene include a helicopter, searchers on horseback, ATVs and many people on foot.
http://pix11.com/2015/07/13/grandmother-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/

Scent Dogs AND Cadaver Dogs:
Numerous resources, including helicopters, divers, side scan sonar, scent dogs, cadaver dogs, horses, ATVs, and over 300 people on the ground, were used to grid and search the reservoir, the creek, and the hillsides, with absolutely no sign of DeOrr.
http://www.localnews8.com/news/Search-for-DeOrr-Kunz-scaled-back/34255568

 

[sarx]

How many other people were camping there at the same time? Not in their group, but other unrelated campers?

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[TxJan1971]

How many other people were camping there at the same time? Not in their group, but other unrelated campers?

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"We didn't see people around us, we didn't hear anybody," Mitchell told the website.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/1...oddler-who-disappeared-from-idaho-campsite-6/

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Last night in my dreams it hit me. "Lead Ore." Like lead the metal. I googled mines in Leadore, and this map made me gasp.
http://www.us-mining.com/idaho/leadore
There are hundreds of mines there. I think the poor baby may have fallen through a crack in the ground into an old mine. That would explain why there's no trace.

thank you for this map of mines...

another WSer (in the last thread)posted another set of topographical maps that included mines in the area (sorry, I don't remember who ATM... But thanks! :seeya

I wondering if anyone can calculate the distance from the campground to the nearest mine(s)? I am having trouble with that...:doh:

But I feel this could be a possibility of where little DeOrr is...JMO

TIA....:tyou:

 

[trigger]

In case anyone needs to find the radio station in his/her area... Here is a link:

Regardless if we wish to entertain some of the theories Paulides presents...or not... His wealth of statistics of missing persons is interesting... IMO...

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/07/20

JMO

Thank you and Trident! I use to listen to Coast to Coast for years when Art Bell and then George was on.

 

[TxJan1971]

Anyone else seen this? (Forgive me if already posted. I may have missed it.)


What happened during the 20 to 45 minutes the child was alone is a mystery to authorities, said Bowerman, who noted "all possibilities" are being investigated.

The family's campsite sat approximately 40 yards from a fast-moving creek -- four to six feet in width and about a foot deep -- that spills into the Timber Creek Reservoir, a half mile from where the toddler was last seen.

Cadaver dogs led law enforcement directly to the reservoir but Bowerman said unrelated cremated remains dumped into the water during the search likely prompted the canines' interest. A search of the reservoir using advanced sonar equipment yielded nothing, he said.

Over the weekend, the sheriff and his deputies carefully examined a nearby wolf den but found not a single clue -- no remnant of clothing or sign the boy had been dragged from the campsite.

"We've got a pack of wolves in there -- about 15 of them," Bowerman said. "We actually chased one out the day before yesterday."

http://790talknow.com/foxfeedspro/d...s-scour-wolf-den-reservoir-for-missing-child/

 

[sarx]

thank you for this map of mines...

another WSer (in the last thread)posted another set of topographical maps that included mines in the area (sorry, I don't remember who ATM... But thanks! :seeya

I wondering if anyone can calculate the distance from the campground to the nearest mine(s)? I am having trouble with that...:doh:

But I feel this could be a possibility of where little DeOrr is...JMO

TIA....:tyou:

Can someone pull the map mine forward? I can see if I can calculate.

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[Jules71]

Trying to play catch up. Have they said hope they determined dogs were hitting on cremains? IOW, was there a pile, a baggie?

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Not sure.

"Police divers have been methodically searching every square inch of the reservoir for the little boy after cadaver dogs indicated there may be something there. However, Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman tells HLN they just learned that someone had been dumping human cremains in the reservoir, and that very well could be the smell the dogs picked up on."

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/07/17/deorr-kunz-missing-family-fear-abducted