ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #24

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All polygraph questions are answered with either yes or no. The test subject is told the questions ahead of time and is told to answer just yes or no.

What would a poly show if the person *didn't respond with a yes or no and just went off on a tangent?

fwiw, I've actually known people who talk just like he does -- and they make you nearly nod off before they ever get to their point. IF that's not nerves or a snow job but instead his normal way of talking, what would that do to a poly? I can only imagine how irritated the test person would get over it.

(Just thinking out loud -- I think he really did fail on the pertinent questions and it wasn't just because he's a Stanley Talksalot).
 
Right? When I read that, I could only think that Klein was just messing with him for fun. I cannot believe that's really how he works. I HOPE that's not how he really works. Yeah, it'd be really unprofessional to mess with a client, but it's just cartoonishly goofy to do that sort of thing seriously.
Lol it threw me off a little. Wasn't expecting that type of stuff. I don't think Klein denied it at all. I can't remember will have to go look but I think he basically said it happen but explained why. Idk either way it's a bit to silly for me.

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I see a few things happening that seem troubling. We know that LE and FBI are working very closely on this case. We also know that they have access to many tools, resources, and data that Klein does not have. Moreover, they have funds that Klein does not have. I'll be very surprised if anybody outside of LE finds DeOrr's body. I've seen members of Search and Rescue make comments and I feel LE has a clear idea of where to look and are simply waiting out the winter. If LE only cared about egos and satiating the public's cries, they would have arrested the parents. That would likely have worked against them. I cannot same the same about Klein.

There are a lot of things to consider in regards to Klein. I don't know the details of the contract, but I think he is a little scared because I noticed that he pushed DDK away in a recent statement and commented that the public paid his fees. He seems to be trying to somehow make the public his client? In the end, if there is a conviction any attorney could easily file an appeal on the grounds the parents were denied a fair trial. They might have something too...due to Klein's unprofessional behavior. This makes me uncomfortable. Mostly though, I just keep looking and thinking where is DeOrr? Stop talking and act. Until I see some action I remain unimpressed. That does not excuse the parents one bit. But I expect others to be above reproach and he is not.

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I don't feel Klein's afraid at all. Just clarifying another misstatement by Brown. I think he has stated more than once that Dennis Kunz paid Klein. The public did indeed pay his fee. That doesn't make me think the public is the client, just that there are "less than truths" being promoted by the attorney. :moo:
 
The entire world is turning on these two. They'll have to go to Bangkok to get an unbiased jury pool.
 
That would both of them would have to have no memory in order for one not to be able to fill in the other. I'm thinking not likely. But who knows, maybe they'll try to make something like that their defense. Doubt it would work.


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I agree and doubt that's what it is in this case, I was just commenting in general to pepe's post.
 
What would a poly show if the person *didn't respond with a yes or no and just went off on a tangent?

fwiw, I've actually known people who talk just like he does -- and they make you nearly nod off before they ever get to their point. IF that's not nerves or a snow job but instead his normal way of talking, what would that do to a poly? I can only imagine how irritated the test person would get over it.

(Just thinking out loud -- I think he really did fail on the pertinent questions and it wasn't just because he's a Stanley Talksalot).

So do I. In fact, I have a friend I have to stop and remind..."Ok, I asked for the time and you're building me a clock." But I think with a poly they would be given explicit directions to answer yes or no.
 
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I don't feel Klein's afraid at all. Just clarifying another misstatement by Brown. I think he has stated more than once that Dennis Kunz paid Klein. The public did indeed pay his fee. That doesn't make me think the public is the client, just that there are "less than truths" being promoted by the attorney. :moo:

Maybe, but don't you agree that PIs MUST be bound by rules? Wouldn't it seem he is breaking some? Don't get me wrong....I'm not talking about the truth but rather about the law.
 
I didn't see a TOS or any section that covered contractual details. Where is it?

The original question was about a post on KIC's thread by DK Sr, not contractual details afaik, which is what I answered. If I misunderstood ignore my previous post :)
 
That's pretty much exactly what I said on the previous page AND the most likely scenario for the cover up if it was an accident. If they were negligent enough to not even realize that the accident had occurred, then didn't even check on him at any point after the accident, I mean. He possibly could have been saved and perhaps they thought that since they didn't know and thus didn't get help, that LE would believe it was intentional. Because you have 4 adults present and not one checks on this baby all night long?


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Yes, and when they realised what they had done they had pretty much half the day to get things in motion. I can totally see this in my head.

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All polygraph questions are answered with either yes or no. The test subject is told the questions ahead of time and is told to answer just yes or no.

Ha! I was just being silly. End of the work week crazies... [emoji4]


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Maybe, but don't you agree that PIs MUST be bound by rules? Wouldn't it seem he is breaking some? Don't get me wrong....I'm not talking about the truth but rather about the law.

I think it depends on their contract with their client and possibly laws of the state they are licensed in? I haven't read this yet but: http://www.tali.org/pi-laws
 
What would a poly show if the person *didn't respond with a yes or no and just went off on a tangent?

fwiw, I've actually known people who talk just like he does -- and they make you nearly nod off before they ever get to their point. IF that's not nerves or a snow job but instead his normal way of talking, what would that do to a poly? I can only imagine how irritated the test person would get over it.

(Just thinking out loud -- I think he really did fail on the pertinent questions and it wasn't just because he's a Stanley Talksalot).

The test subject is told to answer yes or no. In reality the test itself takes very little time, a few minutes. The most extensive part of a polygraph is the interview by the examiner. There are no surprise questions, and no open-ended questions, just yes/no questions.

I've know people who talk like VDK does to and it is annoying, especially if you just want them to make their point. Before I retired my job was to talk to people to get information, at times it was like pulling teeth.
 
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From the following link:http://legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/1998/H0770.html

I'm totally on DeOrr's side and I think the parents are pitiful excuses for human beings. I think they are chronic liars and I believe 100% they know where DeOrr is. However, as they say...the devil is in the details and in a legal arena one cannot be driven by pure emotion. That is very dangerous.

This idea that he is going to apply pressure is not working. Klein does not have the power to arrest them and if they lied to the FBI then Im pretty sure they have no intention on backtracking now.
 
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