ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - # 25

[DatelineFan]

To further complicate things, I continue to be reminded that a few threads back it was brought up that an officer would be assigned to VDK and JM day and night from start to finish of this case. That would greatly limit their ability to discuss too much. I had never personally heard of such a thing but it appears it is standard in these cases.

I'm the one who said something like this after I asked a law enforcement officer. I actually said it's usually the case, but in cases like this one, it's not sustainable to have an officer with them until the child is found. They weren't able to tell me at what point they pull back. They said that every department has their own protocols for how long someone is with the family.

My guess is that they are under surveillance, but I don't know for sure.

 

[persimmon]

I'm the one who said something like this after I asked a law enforcement officer. I actually said it's usually the case, but in cases like this one, it's not sustainable to have an officer with them until the child is found. They weren't able to tell me at what point they pull back. They said that every department has their own protocols for how long someone is with the family.

My guess is that they are under surveillance, but I don't know for sure.

Thanks! Searching past threads got me nowhere. I still always think about it when I consider possible scenarios. It does make a lot of sense to keep a VERY close eye on suspects OR victims waiting for answers.

 

[Hoosier952]

I'm glad some people could use use the map. I was originally going to only show around the campground, but settled on both campground and Leadore because no one has a clue where whatever happened, well, happened.

My logic was if something happened on the way to or from Leadore or while actually in Leadore, the likely hiding spots would be centered around Leadore, while if something happened in or near camp, then I don't see why they would have wasted 30 minutes to drive to the main roads when there would have been far "safer" options in terms of being spotted.

I've been playing around on Google Earth for a while and see a ton of what appear to be trails rather than actual roads. Some of them travel well beyond the 10 mile radius and appear large enough to drive a vehicle on. I can only get a basic idea of terrain/elevation on Earth though. Many go well outside the 2.5-3 mile LE coordinated searches and have plenty of trees nearby for concealing evidence.

There's also several large areas that appear to have been logged. I see what looks to be logs haphazardly stacked around the edges and tops laying on the ground. Again outside of the original search area, but well within the 10 mile radius. If it looks even remotely close to the Earth view, I see some potentially great hiding places. Evergreen tops laying all over the place would be nearly impenetrable and any new undergrowth would rapidly take over the following spring filling in bare spots.

If I was a betting woman, I'd probably put half my chips on 105/Big Timbercreek Rd being the route taken heading south. From camp, it would look like they were heading to the store to IR and GGP. It looks like there is enough tree cover to prevent the vehicle from being seen and far enough away to at least dampen the noise. It also looks like fairly open terrain, so driving wouldn't be too difficult and there are plenty of trees just off the road for camouflage. It also appears to go way outside of the 10 mile radius. I think it would have been pretty easy to see coming in to camp as well and it's likely if they weren't familiar with the area, they would have had a map or GPS on their phones showing that road.

 

[Eloise]

BBM. The same thoughts have crossed my mind as well. I have wondered if just one of the parents had disappeared DeOrr, with the other not suspecting or knowing until some time later.

Re post #156 - best theory so far imo.
I think this fits with everything really well and also just seems likely or most probable. While I don't think human trafficking or informal adoption are impossible, I don't think they're likely.

 

[Arnie M]

BBM. The same thoughts have crossed my mind as well. I have wondered if just one of the parents had disappeared DeOrr, with the other not suspecting or knowing until some time later.

I also think your scenario makes a lot of sense .... the father DID SAY he went back to the campsite to get DeOrr to show him the minnows .... I dont recall him saying JM came with him.

That would be the window of opportunity for him .... I just cant guess what type of "accident" could have happened to make him cover it up .... unless it involved driving and he feared losing his license , maybe he had a beer or two.

Anyway , good post JulyRuby , it contains a lot of logic.

 

[MistyM]

Anyway, I'm about caught up here, and haven't had a decent nights sleep in a while so took a sleeping aid, which means I have to stop and turn in. You know how those things work so fast, lol. Night all. fftobed:

If I fight them I end up posting really interesting posts on those nights! :shame:

 

[Cardinal47]

I can find satellite pictures of my house and everybody else home on Google and Bing. If those satellites are active wouldn't they show a truck at that campground?

Has anybody ever heard of this wonderful technology being used by LE?

With so many children going missing and our ability to send men to the moon for long periods of time surely we can scan this earth of ours and find a truck carrying a small boy named DeOrr!

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

I can find satellite pictures of my house and everybody else home on Google and Bing. If those satellites are active wouldn't they show a truck at that campground?

Has anybody ever heard of this wonderful technology being used by LE?

With so many children going missing and our ability to send men to the moon for long periods of time surely we can scan this earth of ours and find a truck carrying a small boy named DeOrr!

As far as I know, the images are snapshots, not real time and not updated regularly. Is there something new out there that I don't know about?

 

[Hatfield]

I also think your scenario makes a lot of sense .... the father DID SAY he went back to the campsite to get DeOrr to show him the minnows .... I dont recall him saying JM came with him.

That would be the window of opportunity for him .... I just cant guess what type of "accident" could have happened to make him cover it up .... unless it involved driving and he feared losing his license , maybe he had a beer or two.
Anyway , good post JulyRuby , it contains a lot of logic.

Im more and more thinking the boy may have got run over by accident.

If VDK was moving his truck or wanted to pull it up closer to the stream because maybe it had the fishing equipment in back of truck then I could see where the boy may have ran towards the truck wanting to go with Dad. If VDK was rushing and not paying attention then I could see an accident happen where he was runned over.

If alcohol was in the drivers system (lots) then I could see where this may have turned into a coverup instead of calling 911 first. Especially if boy was really runned over badly and was killed instantly.

 

[Hatfield]

I can find satellite pictures of my house and everybody else home on Google and Bing. If those satellites are active wouldn't they show a truck at that campground?

Has anybody ever heard of this wonderful technology being used by LE?

With so many children going missing and our ability to send men to the moon for long periods of time surely we can scan this earth of ours and find a truck carrying a small boy named DeOrr!

My understanding is when GOOGLE Earth does mapping of the entire US what they do is take snapshots of each quandrant of the US and piece it all together. But it is a point in time and they do not refresh it too often because of the cost and amount of data storage necessary for all the images.

It takes a huge amount of storage to house all the detailed pictures of the US. And it has to be done at a certain point of time.

With that said, the US military does have the capability with their own satellites to command the satellite to point to a certain area and get a current shot of an area. But they would have had to known in advance that the campground area was a place their satellite needed to be pointing at.

For example if right now we know NYC needs a current shot because we suspect tomorrow something will happen then they can point the satellites in that area and start taking a series of pictures. But they have to know in advance where to point to because they don't have images of the entire US daily or anything like that.

Maybe someday in the future we will be able to get daily pictures of every single area of the world and get pictures every hour on the hour but for now the data storage limits and limited supply of available satellites makes that not feasibile.

 

[jessie]

I think burying is too risky and takes too long. Somebody could have easily spotted a truck parked off road etc. What about points on the road like vista points where there is perhaps a long drop to wilderness? If I was thinking of concealing something, I'd be likely to go this route. Especially in an area with such vast wilderness and relatively few people.

I think this is a really good observation. Is this possible? Are there any areas that could be likely? Sorry to ask so many questions but burying your child in the time available and after what could be a sudden, accidental(?) death seems to me unfathomable. This way of disposal makes much more sense IMO.
Unless everything happened much earlier and there was time to think and plan, idk.

 

[desert-blue]

Channel 8 in Idaho Falls is apparently planning to air an interview with the parents tonight on the news.


https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaBrentzelNews/posts/1089463877750547:0

"EXCLUSIVE: Join me tonight on Local News 8 and KIDK Eyewitness News @ 10. We will hear from the parents of missing toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. I spoke with them exclusively for the first time since they've been named suspects in their son's disappearance."

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Channel 8 in Idaho Falls is apparently planning to air an interview with the parents tonight on the news.


https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaBrentzelNews/posts/1089463877750547:0

"EXCLUSIVE: Join me tonight on Local News 8 and KIDK Eyewitness News @ 10. We will hear from the parents of missing toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. I spoke with them exclusively for the first time since they've been named suspects in their son's disappearance."

Holy crapoly! I'm in!

 

[jessie]

Channel 8 in Idaho Falls is apparently planning to air an interview with the parents tonight on the news.


https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaBrentzelNews/posts/1089463877750547:0

"EXCLUSIVE: Join me tonight on Local News 8 and KIDK Eyewitness News @ 10. We will hear from the parents of missing toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. I spoke with them exclusively for the first time since they've been named suspects in their son's disappearance."

HELP : Would that be 5 am tomorrow morning (Saturday) IN THE uk??? TYIA

 

[CoverMeCagney]

HELP : Would that be 5 am tomorrow morning (Saturday) IN THE uk??? TYIA

Yep, they're 7 hours behind us.

 

[Rayemonde]

Heh. I wonder if they're getting paid.

 

[Mickshawn]

Heh. I wonder if they're getting paid.

I wonder if the reporter will ask them to "Tell us the story of what happened"....and it will match what we heard originally....or will it be changed?

 

[Rayemonde]

I think their lawyer will have told them to say nothing about the events of that day. It will probably just be them claiming they are being victimized and saying how sad they are about all the mean comments about them on SM.

 

[The Apparition]

Yep, they're 7 hours behind us.

I'd vote for sleep if I were you guys! I am interested, and appreciate desert-blue giving us the info, the cynic in me doesn't expect much useful information from them though. Now that they are suspects I imagine a lot of we can't comment on that, our lawyer advised us not to comment, we won't answer those types of questions etc...

What will be interesting to see is if VDK still talks like he's on a meth bender, and how much hate JM can project into the camera. I am pretty sure there will be no confession so perhaps the parents can also advise us on how their personal search for Deorr is going.

 

[J4cknsal1y]

Channel 8 in Idaho Falls is apparently planning to air an interview with the parents tonight on the news.


https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaBrentzelNews/posts/1089463877750547:0

"EXCLUSIVE: Join me tonight on Local News 8 and KIDK Eyewitness News @ 10. We will hear from the parents of missing toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. I spoke with them exclusively for the first time since they've been named suspects in their son's disappearance."

Did anyone else notice in the photo at the link, there is a man's reflection in the glass of the hutch? Any ideas who that is? I am guessing someone will be outside our view telling them what to answer & what not to answer. I don't anticipate a lot of good info coming from this, but am still interested to watch it.

JM still looks about as angry, too, IMO.