ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[Deleted member 102539]

According to Sheriff B their stories are always changing, so it doesn't sound like they're sticking to any type of script. And from what's been reported thus far, they've lied about things such as when they arrived at the campground, to what they were doing when and where, and who was where when little Deorr disappeared. Why can't they get it straight? Why do they always change the story? Two possible reasons come to mind at the moment:

1. Heavily under the influence / illegal drug use to the point they don't even know what happened
2. Cover up of a criminal act or negligent homicide

ETA: Just summarizing since the details as we know them are available on the media thread to read and/or link.

Both parents had a job in real life and they wouldn't have been able to do nursering or long distance trucking without a certain recollection capacity I think. Then why not have this too for the day they went on their camping trip and the next day? Why didn't the relatives also have no memory when they last saw little Deorr or what happened prior to the trip?

So I would say: your number 2. is the only reason.

 

[DatelineFan]

Please can anyone confirm, is this the "diaper" tree?
Source is youtube video h8RrEX5Kknc at 3 minutes

It might not exist.

 

[koios]

In KIC report http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/ it says hit#1 was near a tree near the campsite, and that a diaper had been put in that tree during the early searches. Image shows campfire (1) and vault toilet (2). If hit#1 was caused by the presence months before of the diaper, then there would also have been a hit at the vault toilet (and hits behind bushes all over the park). No hit was reported near the toilet, nor were there dozens of other hits, so in my opinion Chance does not hit on those substances, and the diaper is irrelevant, which leaves the question, what caused #1? MOO

 

[koios]

Is possible that either hit #1 or hit #3 in KIC report http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/ was caused, not by any objects under the ground, but by an event on the ground surface several months before the hits, which left no physically retrievable evidence?

 

[misty48]

For an event on the ground several months before Chance alerted at various locations, it would be necessary to overlook the lack of alerts to those same locations by the cadaver dogs used in the original searches.

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[neesaki]

For an event on the ground several months before Chance alerted at various locations, it would be necessary to overlook the lack of alerts to those same locations by the cadaver dogs used in the original searches.

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IIRC Sheriff B stated in one of his interviews that there was some "interesting" responses by the dogs. (Paraphrased) So we don't know there were no alerts as he didn't disclose that information .
I don't remember if it was the interview with Trish or one done on TV. Whichever one it will be over in the media links thread if you want to check it out.

 

[neesaki]

Does anyone know why Deorr isn't on the FBI missing persons list?

 

[misty48]

IIRC Sheriff B stated in one of his interviews that there was some "interesting" responses by the dogs. (Paraphrased) So we don't know there were no alerts as he didn't disclose that information .
I don't remember if it was the interview with Trish or one done on TV. Whichever one it will be over in the media links thread if you want to check it out.

I can find no reference in the early searches to any alerts at the campground by Sheriff B/LE. The first reference to such was made by Klein afaik. The early hits pertained to the reservoir, which is also the place the search & rescue dogs twice tracked Deorr's scent to.
Are you able to supply the appropriate link, please?

 

[Deleted member 278]

Does anyone know why Deorr isn't on the FBI missing persons list?

Good question. I did a quick search on their site but couldn't find out how to submit info to them or who submits that info to them. I would think it would be local LE that submits it to them if the FBI isn't involved, but if the FBI is involved it should fall on them to publicize. The suspects were polygraphed by the FBI, correct? Regardless, DeOrr should be on that list.

 

[desert-blue]

Does anyone know why Deorr isn't on the FBI missing persons list?

If I'm looking at the correct list, it's fairly short (only 78 people from 2010 to 2016)? I wonder what the criteria are for being on the list?

 

[koios]

The KIC video "on or about January 11th" suggests that there may have been a change in one person's account, giving a situation where 2 people now say that they did not see a third person with them at the creek. MOO

 

[koios]

In the KIC video "January 12", it is related that one person, on being presented with the possibility that her child might be dead, is upset. This is a completely normal reaction. If my child was missing and someone else was getting excited about a prospect of closure possibly involving the worst case scenario, I would be upset. Reporting someone, for having this natural reaction, is strange, MOO.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Please can anyone confirm, is this the "diaper" tree?
Source is youtube video h8RrEX5Kknc at 3 minutes

I don't think the "diaper tree" was that close to the camp sight. JM's mom said she put the diaper in a trash bag hanging from a tree; the trash bag belonged to a church that was there providing food and water for searchers. So I'm assuming the church would not have set up food operations right on top of the camp site...seems like LE would have them set up some distance away.

 

[desert-blue]

I don't think the "diaper tree" was that close to the camp sight. JM's mom said she put the diaper in a trash bag hanging from a tree; the trash bag belonged to a church that was there providing food and water for searchers. So I'm assuming the church would not have set up food operations right on top of the camp site...seems like LE would have them set up some distance away.

I agree. I always figured the tree was not at the actual campsite where they camped, but somewhere else - probably in a clearing somewhere nearby or at one of the other campsites.

 

[koios]

I don't think the "diaper tree" was that close to the camp sight. JM's mom said she put the diaper in a trash bag hanging from a tree; the trash bag belonged to a church that was there providing food and water for searchers. So I'm assuming the church would not have set up food operations right on top of the camp site...seems like LE would have them set up some distance away.

Thanks. I am trying to locate exactly where was hit #1 by dog Chance.

 

[desert-blue]

Thanks. I am trying to locate exactly where was hit #1 by dog Chance.

According to the release by Klein on July 16th, the dog found no evidence at the "diaper tree." Shortly afterward, Trina brought up the idea about the diaper actually being her dad's Depends.



source: https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/photos/pcb.1052520754830508/1052520418163875/?type=3&theater

 

[koios]

According to the release by Klein on July 16th, the dog found no evidence at the "diaper tree." Shortly afterward, Trina brought up the idea about the diaper actually being her dad's Depends.

source: https://www.facebook.com/KleinInves...520754830508/1052520418163875/?type=3&theater

I read #1 as meaning Chance hit near a tree, and then investigators following up that hit obtained no forensic evidence there.
MOO but I think the diaper is irrelevant, and the hit could be relevant even though no forensic evidence was obtained.

 

[neesaki]

I can find no reference in the early searches to any alerts at the campground by Sheriff B/LE. The first reference to such was made by Klein afaik. The early hits pertained to the reservoir, which is also the place the search & rescue dogs twice tracked Deorr's scent to.
Are you able to supply the appropriate link, please?

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ETA: IIRC it was in one of the interviews. That requires listening, which I realize takes considerable time. But, time well spent.

 

[neesaki]

The KIC video "on or about January 11th" suggests that there may have been a change in one person's account, giving a situation where 2 people now say that they did not see a third person with them at the creek. MOO

In the KIC video "January 12", it is related that one person, on being presented with the possibility that her child might be dead, is upset. This is a completely normal reaction. If my child was missing and someone else was getting excited about a prospect of closure possibly involving the worst case scenario, I would be upset. Reporting someone, for having this natural reaction, is strange, MOO.

I guess I must be tired, but I have no clue what you are talking about. Maybe if you frame your comments within some sort of context it might make more sense. Or even better, provide the link to the video you are referring to. TIA

 

[desert-blue]

I read #1 as meaning Chance hit near a tree, and then investigators following up that hit obtained no forensic evidence there.
MOO but I think the diaper is irrelevant, and the hit could be relevant even though no forensic evidence was obtained.

Yes, you are right - I re-read Klein's statement after I posted but it was too late to delete.... I misunderstood at first and thought there was no hit, when actually the dog did alert to the tree but no evidence was found... anyway, sorry for the confusion.