ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #28

[KatieLiz]

An elderly man on oxygen and needing diapers but able to tow a camper with his truck hundred miles goes onto his maybe last fishing trip. Not once it is heard of him going to the creek; he sits in his chair at the campground.
A man half his age but his good friend goes with him. He is a little bit psychotic, likes drugs (?), alcohol, has no driver license (?) but seems an appropriate companion.
A man (father of a little boy) hates camping and always tries to get away from camping but takes a day off at his truck company to go on this fishing trip too. If he doesn't like camping then he also doesn't like fishing one could assume.
A woman (mother of a little boy) has being told by her mother to go with her grandfather onto the camping/fishing trip to care for her grandfather. She doesn't like to care and mostly is underway in a car to buy some things, if not food then "feminine hygiene stuff" or she is calling mum for nothing or she goes exploring.
A little man with name Deorr goes on a camping/fishing trip he hadn't asked for with 4 adults who 1. were too unfit (RW) 2. were too unsuitable for caring for the friend (IR) 3. were too unwilling to go there at all (VK) and 4. were too unwilling to care for grandpa and family incl. baby Deorr (JMA).
Two (?) dogs are with them all to decorate the scene in the mountains.

That makes sense to everybody who learns about the trip.

Good god when you actually see it all laid out it just hurts my head. HOW do they think their stories make any sense whatsoever? I can't believe that without a body they will get away with spinning all these webs. Like for *advertiser censored** sakes WHERE IS DEORR?!?! How did they hide him this well?! I honestly think they pulled a bait and switch and Deorr is buried in the opposite direction of that campground. I think he was either already gone and buried when they got there, OR he met his fate there and they drove during the night and disposed of him elsewhere. jmo

 

[KatieLiz]

If the families believe that Jessica and Vernal are innocent in DeOrr's disappearance, then I can only come up with three options: 1. He wandered off and died due to elements/animals; or 2. He was abducted; or 3. Isaac and/or Bob disappeared DeOrr without the parents noticing anything.

RSBM

I'm not convinced the family believes they're innocent. In fact, I think JA and VDK's parents either know or suspect the truth but are trying to protect their children. I think people like JA'S sister suspect them (she is no longer tied to Jessicas FB page). In fact, jessica has less than 50 friends left on FB. Seems a lot of people may suspect the truth. The thing I find strange is that the sister cut ties with JA but is now BW's caregiver... she must not suspect him of being involved?

 

[desert-blue]

An elderly man on oxygen and needing diapers but able to tow a camper with his truck hundred miles goes onto his maybe last fishing trip. Not once it is heard of him going to the creek; he sits in his chair at the campground.
A man half his age but his good friend goes with him. He is a little bit psychotic, likes drugs (?), alcohol, has no driver license (?) but seems an appropriate companion.
A man (father of a little boy) hates camping and always tries to get away from camping but takes a day off at his truck company to go on this fishing trip too. If he doesn't like camping then he also doesn't like fishing one could assume.
A woman (mother of a little boy) has being told by her mother to go with her grandfather onto the camping/fishing trip to care for her grandfather. She doesn't like to care and mostly is underway in a car to buy some things, if not food then "feminine hygiene stuff" or she is calling mum for nothing or she goes exploring.
A little man with name Deorr goes on a camping/fishing trip he hadn't asked for with 4 adults who 1. were too unfit (RW) 2. were too unsuitable for caring for the friend (IR) 3. were too unwilling to go there at all (VK) and 4. were too unwilling to care for grandpa and family incl. baby Deorr (JMA).
Two (?) dogs are with them all to decorate the scene in the mountains.

That makes sense to everybody who learns about the trip.

I know, right?

It's all so far-fetched that I don't understand why they couldn't be charged without a body..... their actions and behaviors are just so odd and unbelievable. I'd think a jury could see right through them....

(that being said, I do understand the reasoning regarding double jeopardy and wanting a body to insure a conviction, etc...but still...it boggles my mind that they haven't been charged)

 

[desert-blue]

RSBM

I'm not convinced the family believes they're innocent. In fact, I think JA and VDK's parents either know or suspect the truth but are trying to protect their children. I think people like JA'S sister suspect them (she is no longer tied to Jessicas FB page). In fact, jessica has less than 50 friends left on FB. Seems a lot of people may suspect the truth. The thing I find strange is that the sister cut ties with JA but is now BW's caregiver... she must not suspect him of being involved?

I agree with you. I do think that they must know or strongly suspect the parents (and that's why they aren't doing much to find DeOrr). But that's what is so frustrating (at least to me) - the families continue to protect the parents and cover for them and make excuses. Why not expose them for what they are and try to get to the bottom of it? Why do they all seem to be quietly just moving on with their lives? Doesn't anyone want to know the truth? Ugh.

 

[charminglane]

:scared::scared::scared::gaah::gaah:

 

[ReadySet]

I agree with all the posts questioning why the family isn't doing anything to find baby Deorr. Isn't there even one person on either side of the family who loves Deorr and wants to bring him home? If they believe the parents, why aren't they trying to get media attention, or do any of the things other posters have listed? Could the rumor about the parents going on the Dr. Phil show, but then canceling, be true? And if the family doesn't believe the parents, why aren't they speaking out? Why aren't any of Deorr's family advocating for him? As long as they don't, it gives aid and comfort to the "parents."

 

[neesaki]

I agree with all the posts questioning why the family isn't doing anything to find baby Deorr. Isn't there even one person on either side of the family who loves Deorr and wants to bring him home? If they believe the parents, why aren't they trying to get media attention, or do any of the things other posters have listed? Could the rumor about the parents going on the Dr. Phil show, but then canceling, be true? And if the family doesn't believe the parents, why aren't they speaking out? Why aren't any of Deorr's family advocating for him? As long as they don't, it gives aid and comfort to the "parents."

Just compare them to Jacob Wetterling's family, to Brandon Swanson's family, to Natalie Holloway's family, to Amy Bradley's family .... they were truly, desperately trying to find their children. This family is not. It's a crying shame. jmo

 

[SubtleGrace]

Re: the calls to TC before 911. First off, we know that Jessica was comfortable texting her mom, as she had the night before and that morning. TC stated in her 2016 interview that her phone was "always" on silent, so why did JA even call her in the first place? Why did she repeatedly call TC instead of sending another text? Wouldn't it be smarter to just text "Please call me asap emergency" or something like that?

The only texts sent that day to TC was the one at around 9:30 am to tell her JA had started her period and needed to go into town to get feminine products and a charger, then again at around 12:30 pm stating they were on their way back to the campsite, and the last one was at 2:28 pm (which was obviously seconds before she actually called 911) which simply read "911".

 

[KatieLiz]

Klein has just posted an update in the last 15 mins announcing they have concluded all searches of Timber Creek and will not search there again and focus is now shifting. They don't think Deorr was ever there and timeline has now moved up to midnight Thursday morning. Said the only people who saw Deorr after Wednesday were the suspects and persons of interest already named and they have no outside sightings.

 

[Inthedetails]

Klein has just posted an update in the last 15 mins announcing they have concluded all searches of Timber Creek and will not search there again and focus is now shifting. They don't think Deorr was ever there and timeline has now moved up to midnight Thursday morning. Said the only people who saw Deorr after Wednesday were the suspects and persons of interest already named and they have no outside sightings.

Whoa. That is a strong statement.

And one that WS have discussed in the past. I remember very early on at least one person here was questioning whether Deorr was at the campsite. I thought that poster was off-base......and now I think that poster was right on base.

I hope the shift in focus will be what is needed to solve this case, finally.

jmo

 

[Arnie M]

Klein has just posted an update in the last 15 mins announcing they have concluded all searches of Timber Creek and will not search there again and focus is now shifting. They don't think Deorr was ever there and timeline has now moved up to midnight Thursday morning. Said the only people who saw Deorr after Wednesday were the suspects and persons of interest already named and they have no outside sightings.

Whoa. That is a strong statement.

And one that WS have discussed in the past. I remember very early on at least one person here was questioning whether Deorr was at the campsite. I thought that poster was off-base......and now I think that poster was right on base.

I hope the shift in focus will be what is needed to solve this case, finally.

jmo

Yes .... but we must remember that IR confirmed he saw Deorr there .... and I think the sheriff also confirmed it (not sure)

I am always cautious about anything Klein says .... he has taken tiny snippets of interviews and then sensationalized them .

 

[desert-blue]

Yes .... but we must remember that IR confirmed he saw Deorr there .... and I think the sheriff also confirmed it (not sure)

I am always cautious about anything Klein says .... he has taken tiny snippets of interviews and then sensationalized them .

In one of Bowerman's last statements, he also said that he thought DeOrr may not have ever been at the campground. “Not only am I not believing he was ever there, but I’m believing that we have a homicide.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/sheriff-deorrs-disappearance-moving-towards-homicide/

 

[Mickshawn]

Klein has just posted an update in the last 15 mins announcing they have concluded all searches of Timber Creek and will not search there again and focus is now shifting. They don't think Deorr was ever there and timeline has now moved up to midnight Thursday morning. Said the only people who saw Deorr after Wednesday were the suspects and persons of interest already named and they have no outside sightings.

Can someone explain to me what moving the timeline actually means??? Does this mean this is the last time (midnight, Thursday) that someone other than the 4 adults saw this baby?

 

[DatelineFan]

Can someone explain to me what moving the timeline actually means??? Does this mean this is the last time (midnight, Thursday) that someone other than the 4 adults saw this baby?

I certainly could be wrong, but it's my belief that the time line begins when crimes are committed. This is a good question!

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[Mickshawn]

I certainly could be wrong, but it's my belief that the time line begins when crimes are committed. This is a good question!

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And I think I meant 12 a.m. Thursday/aka midnight Wednesday....

 

[DatelineFan]

And I think I meant 12 a.m. Thursday/aka midnight Wednesday....

Yes, I thought so.

Does anyone else have ideas about the time line? I assume it's the last known time that Deorr was confirmed safe, and/or when the crime began.

 

[desert-blue]

Yes, I thought so.

Does anyone else have ideas about the time line? I assume it's the last known time that Deorr was confirmed safe, and/or when the crime began.

I think it's the earliest time at which the crime may have begun to occur? It may also be the time at which their stories no longer match and/or there are major discrepancies.

I am beginning to think that something happened to DeOrr in the middle of the night Wednesday or in the early morning hours on Thursday. I think VDK's trip to Blackfoot on Thursday is curious. The Snake River is quite close to the route that one would take from Idaho Falls to Blackfoot. Maybe he made a stop to dispose of DeOrr on his way. I have also always found VDK's "Snake River" slip-ups during the first interview to be interesting. I wonder if any of Klein's other geographic areas are in this vicinity (and would there be any remains left at this point?). Yuck.

 

[Trident]

No backlash as a lot of us would also think to try calling our parents first for advice. That was not the strange part though. The strange part was it appears they may have lied to LE and it appears they did not call 911 to get help to look for their child until after what appears to be a very long time. They made a bunch of calls trying to get ahold of the Mom and never called 911 until they finally got ahold of her. There is no telling how long they actually waited without the call logs but from listening to that interview, we can assume it could have been quite some time. Perhaps hours or perhaps all morning long they could have waited to get help from 911 about the missing child. That is what is strange.

Shades of Casey Anthony on the day Caylee went missing.

:cow:

 

[desert-blue]

I think it's the earliest time at which the crime may have begun to occur? It may also be the time at which their stories no longer match and/or there are major discrepancies.

I am beginning to think that something happened to DeOrr in the middle of the night Wednesday or in the early morning hours on Thursday. I think VDK's trip to Blackfoot on Thursday is curious. The Snake River is quite close to the route that one would take from Idaho Falls to Blackfoot. Maybe he made a stop to dispose of DeOrr on his way. I have also always found VDK's "Snake River" slip-ups during the first interview to be interesting. I wonder if any of Klein's other geographic areas are in this vicinity (and would there be any remains left at this point?). Yuck.

Yikes, I'm replying to myself.... but I just remembered all the diesel that was purchased, so maybe DeOrr was disposed during the camping trip at some point, either on the way up or in the middle of the night Thursday. I don't know what to think anymore. It's odd to me that Isaac is all mixed up in this too.

 

[charminglane]

Never there at all. Knew it.
Who saw this baby alive last other than the 4?

Also - have we heard anything lately from Vernal's side of the family?