GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell *Arrests* #77

[SteveS]

BTW, do we interpret “…and then will return Vallow Daybell after that trial to serve her time in Idaho” to mean that if found guilty of the AZ crimes, she will serve whatever sentence she gets in Idaho?

"...to mean that if found guilty of the AZ crimes, she will serve whatever sentence she gets in Idaho?"

No.

The wording you are citing is the article's paraphrase of the extradition document, but the confusion is more from the article than the doc itself, a doc which also includes relevant portions of AZ law, as well as the ID response to the request. How it will work:
1 LVD will serve the Idaho sentence first before she serves any time in AZ. ID time is served in ID, although she will be in AZ for a trial temporarily, before being returned to ID to resume serving it once the trial in AZ is over.
2 IF CONVICTED in AZ, she serves any added time in AZ, but she has to finish her sentence in ID first.
... Since the ID sentence is multiple LWOP terms to be served one after another, her sentence in ID can never be completed. So, at least as things stand now, she can never become available to serve any time in AZ.
... But there is always the theoretical possibility (very unlikely, however) of some appeal ending or shortening her ID sentence, making her available to serve time in AZ.
3 There is also another scenario in which her AZ sentence would be served FIRST, which would be if she is convicted and given the death penalty. So far we have not seen an indictment made public with that possibility, but if charged with the MURDER of CV (rather than just the conspiracy to commit), that would then become a possibility.
4 The document provides that she can now be moved freely from ID to AZ, and back, to whatever degree is necessary, as many times as necessary, with no further decision or document required.

 

[887sMtreme]

I believe I read that also - plus she HAS been sentenced - from my notes:
ID – Vallow found guilty of all charges & sentenced to 3 consecutive life sentences without parole on 7/31/23.

I was referring to the sentences she will receive, assuming she is convicted of the AZ crimes, not the ones she has already been sentenced for in ID.

 

[887sMtreme]

"...to mean that if found guilty of the AZ crimes, she will serve whatever sentence she gets in Idaho?"

No.

The wording you are citing is the article's paraphrase of the extradition document, but the confusion is more from the article than the doc itself, a doc which also includes relevant portions of AZ law, as well as the ID response to the request. How it will work:
1 LVD will serve the Idaho sentence first before she serves any time in AZ. ID time is served in ID, although she will be in AZ for a trial temporarily, before being returned to ID to resume serving it once the trial in AZ is over.
2 IF CONVICTED in AZ, she serves any added time in AZ, but she has to finish her sentence in ID first.
... Since the ID sentence is multiple LWOP terms to be served one after another, her sentence in ID can never be completed. So, at least as things stand now, she can never become available to serve any time in AZ.
... But there is always the theoretical possibility (very unlikely, however) of some appeal ending or shortening her ID sentence, making her available to serve time in AZ.
3 There is also another scenario in which her AZ sentence would be served FIRST, which would be if she is convicted and given the death penalty. So far we have not seen an indictment made public with that possibility, but if charged with the MURDER of CV (rather than just the conspiracy to commit), that would then become a possibility.
4 The document provides that she can now be moved freely from ID to AZ, and back, to whatever degree is necessary, as many times as necessary, with no further decision or document required.

Thanks, Steve. That makes it clear. That article was poorly edited, to be sure!

 

[Niner]

I was referring to the sentences she will receive, assuming she is convicted of the AZ crimes, not the ones she has already been sentenced for in ID.

Oh - sorry - I must have misread your post...

 

[887sMtreme]

Oh - sorry - I must have misread your post...

Not to worry! My question was clumsy. Your accurate info is always appreciated here.

 

[AmandaSkis]

imho, they juat want to be sure we see the whole thing? LVD is so incredibly vile -- Chad's team thinks that Mr. Vanilla will be perceived as just duped by LVD as a cover for her evil ways.

jmho, it would be interesting to watch!

Exactly! When I watched LVD’s trial (through tweets), not only did I feel like there was evidence against her, I felt like a lot of the strongest evidence was against Chad. Unfortunately, his team has had a long time to think about this information and come up with explanations, but I still think they will not come up with explanations that make him look not guilty.

In other words, Chad is toast.

 

[155etta]

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Nate Eaton - Reporter. 171,144 likes · 10,240 talking about this. Dad and husband. News Director, reporter and storyteller for EastIdahoNews.com.

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Ian's daughter with his first wife.

 

[cumber1137]

Wow, if I were Ian's first wife, I'd be terrified of Melani hurting my kids.

 

[Cindizzi]

I’m posting screenshots of the tweets in this thread because Twitter ( I refuse to call it X ) has made it hard to share posts and not everyone has an account to see them.

I’ll reply to my own post and attach all the Motions.

https://x.com/jlumfox10/status/1722782739915808790?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

 

[Cindizzi]

I’m posting screenshots of the tweets in this thread because Twitter ( I refuse to call it X ) has made it hard to share posts and not everyone has an account to see them.

I’ll reply to my own post and attach all the Motions.

https://x.com/jlumfox10/status/1722782739915808790?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

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Motions linked in the above thread (https://x.com/jlumfox10/status/1722778999246774296?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA) :

http://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/i...h-Penalty-Based-Upon-Relative-Culpability.pdf


http://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/i...-As-Arbitrary-Capricious-Disproportionate.pdf


http://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/i...uments-on-Defendants-Relative-Culpability.pdf

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/ksl5tv/status/1722802114672590973?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

3 motions filed to prevent Chad Daybell from facing death penalty during trial

The legal team for Chad Daybell have filed three motions to remove the death penalty as a possibility in his murder trial next year.

ksltv.com

 

[Tortoise]

Thank you so much @Cindizzi - I am one of the ones who can't access twitter, and I appreciate you doing this.

Nice try JP - I am sure the State never argued LVD was the most culpable, LOL

 

[aafromaa]

Hmmm...I guess my biggest take-away on this one is that it just makes me detest JP even more than I did before. I don’t know exactly what it is about that guy but as they say around here he gives me the heebie-jeebies.

I don’t really care if CD gets the death penalty or not as long as he never gets out of prison. That’s not because i don’t believe in capital punishment - I do. And it’s not because I think he doesn’t deserve it - I do. It is because of the way we carry out the death penalty in this country or rather the way we don’t carry it out. The guy in Idaho who’s been on death row for 40 years is a good example. His case may be the extreme but most of those who receive the death penalty can expect at least 20 years before the sentence is carried out. I’d rather see them just lock them up and throw away the key.

Having said that it seems like JP is trying to have his cake and eat it to by asking for the death penalty to be removed now because LVD didn’t face it in her trial. It wasn’t taken off the table because she didn’t deserve it but because she insisted on her right to a speedy trial and the judge removed it as a cure for a discovery violation that could not be remedied before her speedy trial would begin. It was certainly remedied before CD’s trial would begin since he waived his right to a speedy trial. So using it as an argument now seems like double dipping. I don’t know enough about the law to know if it’s a legitimate argument but it seems as shady to me as JP himself does.

As for the argument that LVD is more culpable than CD….well I want to see that argument in court as it seems to me it would be difficult to support that claim without acknowledging CD’s guilt. All that was in the motion was JP quoting things said by the prosecution in LVD’s trial and that wouldn’t really seem to me to be enough but again I am not a lawyer.

Regarding the argument that if equally culpable that it would be unjust for CD to get death when LVD got life, all I can say is boohoo. It wasn’t very just for JJ & Tylee to lose their lives before they ever had a chance to live them. And it wasn’t very just for TD to be killed so CD & LVD could get the life insurance money and escape to Hawaii to live happily ever after either.

I think if CD really wants to avoid the death penalty then he should plead guilty and be required to give specific details of who did what in an allocution. I know we wouldn’t really know how much if any of what he would say would be the truth but I’d like to hear him confess anyway.

 

[Cindizzi]

Chad Daybell’s attorney is asking a judge to take the death penalty off the table because he says his client is less culpable than his wife, Lori Vallow Daybell, who did not face the death penalty.

Lori and Chad were indicted by an Idaho grand jury in May 2021 on multiple counts of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan — two of Lori’s kids — and Daybell’s first wife, Tammy Daybell. Chad is also charged with two counts of insurance fraud in relation to Tammy Daybell’s life insurance policies.

[…]

Chad waived his right to a speedy trial, and in an 11-page motion to strike the death penalty filed Thursday, defense attorney John Prior wrote Lori “set the conspiracy in motion, manipulated both Alex Cox and Chad Daybell, and remained in charge of her plan throughout.”

“Lori ‘manipulated Chad through emotional and sexual control’ and ‘Chad (was) not going to act without Lori saying so,’” Prior said, quoting from a transcript of her trial. “Per the state’s own presentation of evidence and arguments in the trial of Lori Vallow, Mr. Daybell has lesser culpability than his co-defendant, who did not face the death penalty.”

[…]

Prior will argue his motion during a hearing on Nov. 29 in Fremont County. He will also argue another motion requesting cameras be allowed in his client’s trial, which is set to begin April 1 in Ada County.

[…]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article281700238.html

 

[indicolite22]

IMO JP is just doing the best he can for Chad. Getting him off the DP would be a success. I'm sure he doesn't like him either. It would be interesting to know if he's still getting paid (I know he owns Chad's house now) or is staying on for notoriety.

 

[indicolite22]

So according to their respective defenses, cameras in the courtroom would have been harming Lori's case, but could benefit Chad? How come, if they are both largely accused of the same crimes? Does it have something to do with witnesses being put under greater pressure with cameras present? Of course they weren't even challenged in Lori's case, so there's a difference, too. Chad probably won't look as nonchalant as Lori.

 

[aafromaa]

So according to their respective defenses, cameras in the courtroom would have been harming Lori's case, but could benefit Chad? How come, if they are both largely accused of the same crimes? Does it have something to do with witnesses being put under greater pressure with cameras present? Of course they weren't even challenged in Lori's case, so there's a difference, too. Chad probably won't look as nonchalant as Lori.

I thought the concern over cameras in LVD’s trial was about tainting the jury pool for CD’s trial. But with all the media presence for the LVD trial, I can’t imagine not televising made much difference in that regard.

 

[indicolite22]

I thought the concern over cameras in LVD’s trial was about tainting the jury pool for CD’s trial. But with all the media presence for the LVD trial, I can’t imagine not televising made much difference in that regard.

Lori's lawyers were against the cameras too, but Prior wants them there.

 

[aafromaa]

Lori's lawyers were against the cameras too, but Prior wants them there.

Just curious…I know indicolite22 is right about JP wanting cameras now but can’t really think of a reason that he would except for his 15 minutes of fame. Is there any legit reason a defense attorney would want his client’s case televised?

 

[ReadySet]

Just curious…I know indicolite22 is right about JP wanting cameras now but can’t really think of a reason that he would except for his 15 minutes of fame. Is there any legit reason a defense attorney would want his client’s case televised?

I've asked this question before too, and haven't heard an answer that makes sense.