Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #58

[Inthedetails]

Interview with JJ's grandparents

 

[altojack]

Wow, just wow. After having a quiet day to myself yesterday, I popped in here last night. It looked like a hurricane had come through and blown you all away. But no, a new thread and Im left 10 or so pages back on previous Thread. Ill catch up.

Im so happy charges have dropped in. Watched a couple of videos just to make me smile somemore.

My heart hurts for sweet, honest Colby, he comes across as a tender hearted guy.

Justice is closer now.

 

[Tortoise]

Interview with CR:

He is just an amazing young man. I'm so impressed with his ethos in the face of such adversity, it's like he is so well adjusted and much older than his years.

 

[Tortoise]

So this was the order of Judge Mallard dated 20th July 2020, when Lori's trial in Madison County was scheduled to take place between 25th and 29th January 2021 -

"Written notice must be given at least ninety (90) days in advance of the trial date if a party intends to raise any issue of mental condition and/or call any expert witness concerning such issue. I. C. ~ 18-207."

She didn't comply with this, so no mental health condition emerged at that time, or 90 days before 25th Jan 2021, which would be in October 2020.

At the pre-trial conference held on 4th January 2021 Judge Mallard set new trial dates of 30th August to 3rd September 2021. The same order applies to the new trial - so 90 days before trial would be around the beginning of June 2021.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...and Order Gov Further Proc MagM4509062019.pdf

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...nd Order Gov Further Proc MagM4509062019b.pdf

 

[Tortoise]

Order of Judge Boyce dated 13 November 2020 - setting trial for 12th July to 6th August 2021, requiring 90 days notice of mental condition and expert witness before trial.

So no mental condition at that time. 90 days before trial would have been about April 2021.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case...e and Order Governing Further Proceedings.pdf

 

[distracted]

Interview with CR:

Bless his heart. I cannot imagine being in his shoes.

It seems he has a very healthy view of things. There's a lot of peace that comes with acceptance and I wish him nothing but the best in the future.

 

[altojack]

I still can't work out whether chad really believed all this stuff, i feel like lori did but i'm on the fence whether chad was the master manipulator, making up these stupid family history trees with light and dark ratings etc. Part of me feels like chad brainwashed people for his own benefit and didn't really believe in the same stuff, but i can't be sure.

I still can't work out whether chad really believed all this stuff, i feel like lori did but i'm on the fence whether chad was the master manipulator, making up these stupid family history trees with light and dark ratings etc. Part of me feels like chad brainwashed people for his own benefit and didn't really believe in the same stuff, but i can't be sure.

I think CD did brainwash people but LVD also as JMO she had her own agenda. But once the two got together the mix was dynamite. The combination of the two of them firmed up the 'Group' as IMOO CD had already taken a lead and had a gathering, which to me says that CD had these obscure beliefs.

 

[MTW2011]

I also believe that the Judge agreed to a continuance because Lori wants to make a deal in exchange for information.

Lori has manipulated men into doing her dirty work her whole life so it wouldn't surprise me at all that she would try to blame it all on her brother and Chad.

And the only reason I can think of for the State being opposed to a continuance, is because it has no intention of making a deal with her.

I just am not sure that you can make a deal, or try to, when these new charges haven’t been read to you yet and you have said you understand them (like what happens in a first appearance). The State can object and deny any possible deal at any time - but I would think that would happen later and this first appearance still would’ve proceeded even if that was the angle Defense was now trying for.

Order of Judge Boyce dated 13 November 2020 - setting trial for 12th July to 6th August 2021, requiring 90 days notice of mental condition and expert witness before trial.

So no mental condition at that time. 90 days before trial would have been about April 2021.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22-20-838/11132020 D Notice of Trial Setting Pre-Trial Conference and Order Governing Further Proceedings.pdf

Thank you for bringing this back up. I really appreciate it.

 

[montegrl]

Order of Judge Boyce dated 13 November 2020 - setting trial for 12th July to 6th August 2021, requiring 90 days notice of mental condition and expert witness before trial.

So no mental condition at that time. 90 days before trial would have been about April 2021.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22-20-838/11132020 D Notice of Trial Setting Pre-Trial Conference and Order Governing Further Proceedings.pdf

It was about the end of March that her other Fremont case got put on hold if I am remembering correctly, that was the timeframe that the prosecution asked to add RS and it was decided to add her in CD's case and not LVD's case. That might fit with the timeline if MM raised a competency issue during those sealed proceedings. MOO

 

[pizzaman12]

Whatever the reason for continuance was, it should have emerged right before hearing, as MM had no motion prepared (only oral) and LV was present (so there was no medical issue that would not allow her be present). So this was something MM most probably did not expect.
What could be the reason to postpone a hearing at which LV should only hear the charges she has already heard and agree that she understands them, so no additional "work" from her side as she is already there and it's inevitable? I can think of 2 possible reasons - either she is on the brink of hysteria and MM knows the only thing she might agree on is to sit straight and silent, otherwise there will be negative consequences both for Defense and the State (but on the other hand, she is not the first one in the world in this situation); or new issues with MM as representative emerged that might jeopardize the process, which Defense and State both do not want... Can't think of anything else

BBM- If that were the case, the state wouldn't have such a strong objection.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Key word in your sentence is valid, I think. I'm presuming the onset of this 'emergency' was after the arrest warrant was served on her, or during the Grand Jury proceedings. I'm not convinced yet that it is the same reason her earlier hearings have been stayed. If she is being psych. evaluated by defense appointed expert/s I suspect there is no report yet, and the state will have to be put on notice of it (once there is a diagnosis?) to get their own experts in to conduct their own evaluation/s.

I'm wondering here if we can draw any inference from her being held at the jail, does it even have specialised psychiatric care facilities? Or if she would have been moved to a hospital before now if there were psych. issues brought up before yesterday.

I remember in the Madison County proceedings she was informed that if she intended to put forward a psychiatric defense she had so many days in which to do it before trial. I'll have a dig around for it, I'm not saying the time limit has expired but it's just interesting that it appeared not to have become an issue until the charges with serious penalties were laid.

I think this is all so predictable with her, and calculated. MOO

If she was moved to the hospital or psychiatric care, her status on vine would change.

All jmo moo imo

 

[Tortoise]

It was about the end of March that her other Fremont case got put on hold if I am remembering correctly, that was the timeframe that the prosecution asked to add RS and it was decided to add her in CD's case and not LVD's case. That might fit with the timeline if MM raised a competency issue during those sealed proceedings. MOO

I'm just querying the Judge's use of the words "exigent circumstances", which makes me think it's something new. If it had emerged as far back as March I'm thinking the state might have agreed with the continuance, and not sought her appearance yesterday. MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Another (short) interview with Kay and Larry. The reporter was at the memorial site across the street from Chad's backyard.

I stopped by JJ and Tylee’s memorial across from Chad Daybell’s property. A woman showed me some of the floral arrangements she made for the kids. She never knew them, but this story has touched the hearts of many in this small eastern Idaho community. #azfamily

https://twitter.com/KimPowellTV/status/1397740777766219776

 

[indicolite22]

A reaction to the charges from Tylee's best friend's mother EI:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=946798629494531

 

[pizzaman12]

The verbiage is interesting to me. This wasn't something like, I will grant the continuance and we'll reconvene on "x" date at "x" time...Judge Eddins said "it would be set for a date and time certainly in the future but right now we don't know date time but we'll get that set as soon as it's feasible."

As others stated, I personally think there was substance to what transpired yesterday. What would make this ruling also prevent it from being able to be rescheduled? It almost sounded like it was outside of control of the courts. Something has to be completed/addressed for them to be able to then set a new date.

It's all super strange but I think if I had to choose one, MM is saying she does not have the ability to fully understand the charges being brought against her.

Here's a roundup of some of the theories that have been mentioned. I'm sure I missed some but

• Something medically/mentally- This should have been addressed within 90 days per Judge Boyce, however, this could be something under seal???
• MM & LV not on the same page- They don't have to be right now. Why it was prevent the reading of the charges
• Suicide, Death Threats, etc...- He obviously mentioned exigent circumstances which this would encompass but again seems as though there are resources to handle this and shouldn't prevent the charges being read
• Simple delay tactic- I personally don't see this. Judge Eddins saw enough evidence to grant it as well as noting "exigent circumstances"
• Plea deal- Still not sure why charges wouldn't be read regardless

 

[Lusitana]

Not that it matters, but I don't think Lori is ugly. She's just not 20 anymore and, like many other women (and men!), has and is probably having a hard time with aging, which is not really a crime.

The thing is, when you're ugly on the inside, it eventually transfers to the outside too. She could be Gigi Hadid beautiful but, she did so many evil things, that she would still be ugly to most people.

I wonder if she is either sick or has been exposed to Covid, thus wearing the mask. It could be a vanity thing, or it could be a health thing. I don't think any of that matters a whole lot right now, but I get why some people are commenting on such things.

About how men seemed to be so attracted to her, including Charles. I believe it has to be way more than looks. I suspect she is probably very charismatic at first and then all goes downhill. She's not stupid, she knows that in order to get what she want, people have to like her and trust her and I think that's what she does not only with men but also with women. The drama eventually unfolds sooner or later though. I suspect she didn't really have many friends and that her friendships never really lasted very long. I actually think she was more obsessed with Chad than he is with him though.

Either way, I really want one of them to turn on the other. In my opinion, Chad is probably in a way worse situation here. His wife is dead, and Lori's kids are dead, but the kids were found in his backyward, so... I guess I will wait and see how this unfolds.

I seriously hope his kids are no longer staying behind him, he doesn't deserve it.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Grandparents of JJ Vallow say 'we want a capital case' against Chad and Lori Daybell - East Idaho News

 

[Frodosdojo]

Grandparents of JJ Vallow say 'we want a capital case' against Chad and Lori Daybell - East Idaho News

Good for them. I don't think Chori deserves anything less. They are completely justified in asking for the ultimate sentence.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I don't believe for one second that the attempted shooting on brandon boudreaux was done without the knowledge of MP, All these deaths were for money, lori,chad and alex would not have set up that hit unless they had already arranged with MP they would get a share of some money, imho.

I remain amazed that this has not blown up.... I just hope the powers to be are keeping stuff hidden. This was such blatant attempted murder. And there is no question in anyone's mind who did this, and who wanted it done, and was probably in the car.....

 

[indicolite22]

I remain amazed that this has not blown up.... I just hope the powers to be are keeping stuff hidden. This was such blatant attempted murder. And there is no question in anyone's mind who did this, and who wanted it done, and was probably in the car.....

Has it been established that there were two people in Tylee's Jeep? Somebody gave away the location of BB's house to the shooter, but (IMO) they weren't necessarily there.