Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

[tresir2012]

Huh, I might be distantly related to Tammy, depending on which branch of the Douglas family that is.

It would be interesting to see what it says on her death certificate. Sometimes the person's doctor includes extra information. For instance my dad's has heart failure as the cause of death, but there's a note that he had pneumonia from inhaling food due to a swallowing disorder of "unknown etiology" that contributed to the death. (Which we knew.) But I'm not sure whether that's part of the official record or just something the family can see.

We do have a VI here who may be able to answer that.

 

[mickey2942]

I voiced a nearly identical thought just yesterday while discussing this bizarre case with my more experienced WSleuths daughter !

To really understand this case, knowing the culture of rural Idaho is essential. And the LDS culture as well.

It is interesting to think this way, because I do "know" the culture in Rexburg, had 2 kids that attended Ricks college.

 

[kelsie]

Transcribing CJ's video:
Mom, I want to talk to you like I'm sitting across the room from you. I don't even know how to start and say what I want to say, but I'm so hurt. I'm so hurt by all of this. I can't even tell you how many people are hurt by this. I can't even explain to you how much this affects so many different people; I'm not sure if you know that or where you're at, what you're doing. I can't tell you how hurt and frustrated and confused I am about what's going on. I think, I don't even know. I think what I want more than anything is for you - you have the power to end this. You have an opportunity to put this all to rest. I know that it's hard maybe for you, maybe it's something you don't want to do, I don't know. I really really want to see Tylee and JJ, I really want this to be over for more than one reason. And I'm not talking about myself, I'm not talking about people trying to get answers from me, people wanting things from me. I'm talking about simply the fact that I can't even fathom that this is happening to our family. I grew up with you. I grew up with Tylee and JJ as my siblings. We grew up in a family. I grew up with stepbrothers and a stepdad. We had a life, and it seems like that life never existed at this point.

I don't know what I can tell you. I don't know what I can say to you that would mean more to me than just to say, that I just, I want this to be over. For so many different reasons, I want this to be over. But I want you to really think about what's important right now. What's actually important? What do we need to do? I am over here worried and thinking about Tylee and JJ. I need - I don't know what I need. I want YOU to end this. I want you to end it. For everybody. For the kids, for yourself, for all of us. This can end. So please (sighs) from me, from the person that we've - I've been closest to you my whole life. In [the past] three years, we're not as close, and I'm sorry that we weren't close, but that doesn't excuse a fact for anything. I'm so upset I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you how much my feelings hurt, how bad (sighs). I don't have words to formulate for you. I don't. I have so much anger. I have so much things I want to say out of anger, which I know it isn't right to do. I have so many things that I want to ask you, I have so many things I just want to put into place, and I have a million other people who want the same thing and it just sucks. This all sucks, and I just need this to end for Tylee and JJ. I need this to end for you. I need this to end for all of us.

This is not ok. This is not cool. This needs to be done. Please just understand, I'm your son, I would never want anything to happen to you, I would never want anything to happen to Tylee and JJ, ever. Ever. Anytime, I would do anything to protect them, and you know that. I just want them to be safe and I want them to be ok, and I just want you to just find it in your heart to be able to help this situation because I'm just, I'm really just having a hard time right now too. I know it's not about me, but I'm having a hard time too. I'm having a really hard time and I can't tell you how hard this has been.

Even if you just show them on FaceTime. Just show them on FaceTime to the police. That would be a whole lot better. I don't know what else I can tell you to do, than just to know that this is the right thing to do. I want you guys to be safe and I want you guys to be ok, but we're way past the point of that. I'm doing this because I can't sit there and talk to you. I'm doing this because I can't sit across the room and have a conversation with you. And so, I have to do it on here. That sucks. I can't call my own mom, I can't see my siblings, everything that's happened, everything that's been going on, like I can't even tell you. I've never felt this way, I've never had my heart broken like that, you know?

I wish things were different and they can be different, they really can. They can be different. I know you know what the right thing to do is, and I know you have a good heart. I know that it's time to do the right thing, and it's time, it's time to do that. It's time to do the right thing. And I ask you to please, to just listen to what I have to say and think about what I have to say because I only want what's best for them, I want what's best for you, but if that's not going to be the case then I don't know what else I can say.

 

[Jankee]

On that same channel (the one he shares with his wife) he has a video titled “What happened while we were gone”. The video was uploaded August 13, 2019, less than a month after his uncle shot his step father. Watch the video until the end....quite creepy!

Is it possible to provide a link to this?

 

[fred&edna]

As this is readily available on the internet as a stand-alone PDF, I hope it is permissible to post the link. It originates from the AVOW website under recommended reading. Chapter 3 is very interesting-outlining the questions of tent cities, and preparedness. I think Chad and Lori have gone underground and it is my deepest hope that JJ and Tylee are being protected in whatever “tent city” Lori and Chad have been preparing for. Hopefully the Feds are all over this.
https://www.abysmal.com/LDS/Preparedness/why_tent_cities.pdf

Do you know when Young published this? I know Young, Parrett and Daybell co-wrote several books. I read something last night written (about 3 yrs ago) by Parrett from the AVOW site and he listed a few cities/areas he "saw" (via his visions, of course) as protected or safe during the second coming. One location was outside of Las Vegas. I don't know how much Chad/Lori might be relying on older visions or if they have new visions that will send them to other towns. Wonder if/where LE is possibly looking for these people and the children?

 

[seattlechiquita]

To really understand this case, knowing the culture of rural Idaho is essential. And the LDS culture as well.

It is interesting to think this way, because I do "know" the culture in Rexburg, had 2 kids that attended Ricks college.

Hi @mickey2942 ! Can you tell me what you mean by this? I'm curious.

 

[Gardener1850]

I just noticed today that Chad's book publishing company website is down: http://www.springcreekbooks.com/

Message there currently says:

Error establishing a database connection

@diggndeeperstill it might be a good idea to see what else you can pull up on the wayback machine from that site.

 

[Wsimm]

Is it possible to provide a link to this?

I won’t link the video here because I feel that it may be sleuthing a non POI. I will say the “couples” channel can be found on his main channel under the heading “videos” and it’s about 25 down the list.

 

[Laughing]

I just noticed today that Chad's book publishing company website is down: http://www.springcreekbooks.com/

Message there currently says:

Error establishing a database connection

@diggndeeperstill it might be a good idea to see what else you can pull up on the wayback machine from that site.

could be a payment past due, could be a security certificate expired....

 

[tresir2012]

Transcribing CJ's video:
Mom, I want to talk to you like I'm sitting across the room from you. I don't even know how to start and say what I want to say, but I'm so hurt. I'm so hurt by all of this. I can't even tell you how many people are hurt by this. I can't even explain to you how much this affects so many different people; I'm not sure if you know that or where you're at, what you're doing. I can't tell you how hurt and frustrated and confused I am about what's going on. I think, I don't even know. I think what I want more than anything is for you - you have the power to end this. You have an opportunity to put this all to rest. I know that it's hard maybe for you, maybe it's something you don't want to do, I don't know. I really really want to see Tylee and JJ, I really want this to be over for more than one reason. And I'm not talking about myself, I'm not talking about people trying to get answers from me, people wanting things from me. I'm talking about simply the fact that I can't even fathom that this is happening to our family. I grew up with you. I grew up with Tylee and JJ as my siblings. We grew up in a family. I grew up with stepbrothers and a stepdad. We had a life, and it seems like that life never existed at this point.

I don't know what I can tell you. I don't know what I can say to you that would mean more to me than just to say, that I just, I want this to be over. For so many different reasons, I want this to be over. But I want you to really think about what's important right now. What's actually important? What do we need to do? I am over here worried and thinking about Tylee and JJ. I need - I don't know what I need. I want YOU to end this. I want you to end it. For everybody. For the kids, for yourself, for all of us. This can end. So please (sighs) from me, from the person that we've - I've been closest to you my whole life. In [the past] three years, we're not as close, and I'm sorry that we weren't close, but that doesn't excuse a fact for anything. I'm so upset I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you how much my feelings hurt, how bad (sighs). I don't have words to formulate for you. I don't. I have so much anger. I have so much things I want to say out of anger, which I know it isn't right to do. I have so many things that I want to ask you, I have so many things I just want to put into place, and I have a million other people who want the same thing and it just sucks. This all sucks, and I just need this to end for Tylee and JJ. I need this to end for you. I need this to end for all of us.

This is not ok. This is not cool. This needs to be done. Please just understand, I'm your son, I would never want anything to happen to you, I would never want anything to happen to Tylee and JJ, ever. Ever. Anytime, I would do anything to protect them, and you know that. I just want them to be safe and I want them to be ok, and I just want you to just find it in your heart to be able to help this situation because I'm just, I'm really just having a hard time right now too. I know it's not about me, but I'm having a hard time too. I'm having a really hard time and I can't tell you how hard this has been.

Even if you just show them on FaceTime. Just show them on FaceTime to the police. That would be a whole lot better. I don't know what else I can tell you to do, than just to know that this is the right thing to do. I want you guys to be safe and I want you guys to be ok, but we're way past the point of that. I'm doing this because I can't sit there and talk to you. I'm doing this because I can't sit across the room and have a conversation with you. And so, I have to do it on here. That sucks. I can't call my own mom, I can't see my siblings, everything that's happened, everything that's been going on, like I can't even tell you. I've never felt this way, I've never had my heart broken like that, you know?

I wish things were different and they can be different, they really can. They can be different. I know you know what the right thing to do is, and I know you have a good heart. I know that it's time to do the right thing, and it's time, it's time to do that. It's time to do the right thing. And I ask you to please, to just listen to what I have to say and think about what I have to say because I only want what's best for them, I want what's best for you, but if that's not going to be the case then I don't know what else I can say.

Thank you so much for transcribing this. Heartbreaking.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Do you know when Young published this? I know Young, Parrett and Daybell co-wrote several books. I read something last night written (about 3 yrs ago) by Parrett from the AVOW site and he listed a few cities/areas he "saw" (via his visions, of course) as protected or safe during the second coming. One location was outside of Las Vegas. I don't know how much Chad/Lori might be relying on older visions or if they have new visions that will send them to other towns. Wonder if/where LE is possibly looking for these people and the children?

I was curious the date also.

 

[Lusitana]

I hope to God that Lori's son is being genuine and not just putting videos out for "clout". His first videos didn't get much more than 300 views, and his videos about this case have 4000, almost 2000 and 3000 views. I am NOT saying or implying that he is lying or anything like that. It's just a thought. I do feel bad for him, he has a little baby girl. He must have his hands full and this situation with Tylee and JJ must be messing with him a loooooooot.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

UPDATE 1/6/2020

Police release update on Tammy Daybell death investigation - Local News 8

 

[j55stand]

There are many MSM sources who have mentioned it. This is one that actually has a friend of Lori confirming the fact.

Former friend of missing woman, kids speaks of her complicated marital past, with two husbands dead

"We're hearing from a former friend of Lori's, who is remaining anonymous, about her infatuation with her new husband's beliefs. She witnessed Lori become obsessed with Chad's books, she said.

He writes books about the end of the world and how to prepare for it. This happened about four years before Lori would eventually marry the author.

Her old friend says she can't wrap her head around what's happening as Vallow's two kids haven't been seen since September. She remembers Lori as an amazing mother who devoted herself to Tylee and Joshua"

Source?

YIKES. Given the circumstances around CV's death, that was incredibly weird and inappropriate IMO.

Very disturbing. All family members were and still are concerned about CR.

 

[tresir2012]

I came across this book review and bio written by Chad of his early life and career before moving to Rexburgh. I thought it may be interesting. It was on the AVOW site which sells his books.


STANDING IN HOLY PLACES, Book Five: The Renewed Earth.

Author: Chad Daybell
Publication Date: April 2011
Format: 6" x 9", 176 pages



Author's Introduction:


“We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.” (The Tenth Article of Faith)

In the final days before the Second Coming of Christ, a showdown is looming in Jerusalem between the two apostles and the Coalition army as the Jews hurry to complete their holy temple.

The plagues mentioned in the Book of Revelation continue to be poured out on the inhabitants of the world, but many keys events�such as the resurrection of the righteous dead and the return of the City of Enoch�await the Saints as they prepare to meet their King and usher in the Millennium.

The Renewed Earth, the fifth and final novel in the Standing in Holy Places series, paints a vivid picture of exciting prophesied events that still must occur before the Second Coming. If you have an interest in what awaits the members of the LDS Church, this series should definitely be on your reading list!

===

Author Bio

I thought I’d let you know a bit about me and the experiences that have shaped my books. I was born in Provo, Utah to Jack and Sheila Chesnut Daybell. My father was serving in the Navy during the Vietnam War, and we lived in San Diego for nearly two years. Since then I’ve always felt a bond to San Diego, including cheering for the San Diego Padres, despite their annual mediocrity.

I am the oldest of five children, and Paul, Matt, Brad and Becky have been wonderful siblings. Our Springville neighborhood had many vacant fields, and we had a great time exploring them as we grew up. We also had plenty of friends around if we wanted to play baseball, basketball or football.

I had aspirations to be a professional athlete, but my youthful growth spurts seemed humorously timed. I’m now 6’3", but I didn’t really grow at all during seventh or eighth grades and soon found myself as one of the shortest kids in school. Then the following summer I sprouted six inches, which left me rather uncoordinated. l played on Springville High's junior varsity baseball team, but I certainly didn't dazzle anyone.When it comes to my books, I guess I identify more with the clumsy teenage Emma, rather than with the athletic Doug. My younger brothers all excelled in sports, so there is some real-life basis for An Errand for Emma.

However, my mission to New Jersey is the foundation for Doug’s experiences in Doug's Dilemma. Every missionary event in that novel is based on an actual occurrence. It was a crazy two years, but extremely fulfilling. The Spanish-speaking people are fun-loving and upbeat, no matter what obstacles they face. I made many dear friends there that I’m still close to and admire. I returned home as a more compassionate person after my experiences there.

My post-mission plans included staying single for a long time so I could get through school. So naturally, within two weeks of arriving home I attended a singles ward volleyball game and met my future wife, Tammy Douglas, who is the daughter of Ron and Phyllis Douglas. Tammy and I were married seven months later.

I attended Brigham Young University, majoring in Journalism. As I entered my senior year, I accepted the position of Assistant City Editor for BYU’s newspaper, The Daily Universe. The following semester I served as City Editor, and then graduated in April 1992.

Following graduation I took a job as a copy editor and headline writer with The Standard-Examiner in Ogden, Utah. We lived in the Ogden suburb of Washington Terrace. We made some good friends, and I grew close to some of the best and brightest co-workers I'd ever had. But Tammy and I both felt a yearning to have our children grow up near their grandparents and felt a change was coming in our lives.

One night my brothers told me that Springville’s cemetery sexton was going to retire. I had worked for Springville City as a teenager, and it felt like the timing was right to make a move. I applied for the position and was hired. So I went from writing headlines to digging graves. It was a strange transition, but it paid better and allowed us to move back to Springville.

In late 1997, two years after I became the sexton, I was shoveling snow at the cemetery when I felt the prompting, "It’s time to write your books." This came as a complete surprise to me. I’d written some family histories, but I’d never been able to come up with a plot for a book. But almost immediately after receiving the prompting, the entire plot of An Errand for Emma came to me. I wrote the book within a few months, and it was published about a year after that initial prompting.

When it came time to write another book, I was undecided about the topic, but my prayers were answered one day as the plot to Doug’s Dilemma filled my head, as well as the plot for Escape to Zion. I’m very grateful for the hand of the Lord in that project, and I hope I’ve done an adequate job with the material I was given.

In April of 2000 I took a managerial position with Access Computer Products. It was a great experience, and I learned a lot about the business world. But I soon felt a prompting to return to a writing-based profession, and I returned to the publishing industry as the managing editor for Cedar Fort, Inc., the company that published my first 12 books.

In 2002, Tammy and I began a new series called Tiny Talks. These books contain short messages for children that can be given during Primary or Family Home Evening. The first three volumes focus on temples, the Savior, and the Church of Jesus Christ. In October 2003 we released Tiny Talks 4: The Family which corresponds to the 2004 Primary theme. My other recent book releases are a LDS novel entitled Chasing Paradise, a non-fiction book called The Aaronic Priesthood, and a board book titled Book of Mormon Numbers.

My books are all LDS-related except One Foot in the Grave. It is a collection of my actual experiences while working in the cemetery. It isn't meant to be taken too seriously. I just had several "strange but true" incidents occur to me at the cemetery over the years, and I kept track of them in a notebook. Once I stopped working at the cemetery, I chose the best stories that would entertain readers while showing what can really happen in a graveyard. It has been well-received and is still a top seller on Amazon.com.

In early 2004, Tammy and I felt prompted that the time had come to start our own publishing company. We had made this a matter of prayer, and soon arrived at our decision. We established Spring Creek Book Company, which is now the publisher of my books. We also publish books by a variety of talented LDS writers. Feel free to visit the company's website at www.springcreekbooks.com.

Tammy and I now have five children -- Garth, Emma, Seth, Leah and Mark. We still live in Springville, with our company offices in Provo. Thanks for visiting, and I hope you enjoy your journey here!

 

[tresir2012]

I just noticed today that Chad's book publishing company website is down: http://www.springcreekbooks.com/

Message there currently says:

Error establishing a database connection

@diggndeeperstill it might be a good idea to see what else you can pull up on the wayback machine from that site.

I am wondering if the FBI have taken it down. Is that likely?

His website is still up.

cdaybell.com | The Official Website for Chad Daybell

 

[TTF14]

Maybe this has been discussed, but what kind(s) of natural death would involve coughing and vomiting? Flu? I’m trying to guess what they said was cod.

A massive heart attack can have those warning signs/symptoms.

I thought it was usually the law that deaths like this require an autopsy.

 

[ur_in_a_cult]

Source?

Very disturbing. All family members were and still are concerned about CR.

I'm sure they are! He mentioned in one of his recent videos that their whole lives have been chaos, and as a kid who grew up similarly, I can vouch for how much MORE trauma and chaos can mess with your head, even as an adult.

The feeling I get from CR's videos is that he IS being genuine, but has grown up in this era of vlogging every aspect of your personal life. So even real emotion can come across as slightly clickbait-y, if that makes sense. I feel for him and his little family, I know it can't be easy living this out in front of the entire country in real time.

 

[Rockyboy]

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Earlier someone stated that the Melanie in the timeline is NOT Melanie Gibb who was associated with Preparing a People. I believe she is the same person. Has this been sorted out?

 

[Rockyboy]

Also did anyone find marriage records of who Melanie and Alex Cox married in Nevada in November?