Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18

[jjenny]

Lori Vallow Daybell is definitely "America's Most Hated Woman" right now.

How much money in legal fees is Chad going to blow through for Lori?

He might want to leave some money for his own fees, don't you think?

 

[tresir2012]

He might want to leave some money for his own fees, don't you think?

Well yes indeed. $30k a month out of $430k is only going to last just under a year, assuming he has spent $90k already over the last 3 months.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Thanks for this reminder. I know several of the people who have been discussed on this forum and I'm deeply concerned about the missing children. I just don't understand....and I just haven't figured out how to dial back my own sadness, frustration and anger. (<--Please tell me I'm not alone?) It's affecting my day-to-day life and it's obviously been informing how I post. I'm trying to figure out how to deal better, while also worry constantly that the next thing we learn will be The Worst. Sorry, everyone.

FWIW, I haven't seen you post anything even close to out of line. Jmo

 

[Jankee]

I just don't understand....and I just haven't figured out how to dial back my own sadness, frustration and anger. (<--Please tell me I'm not alone?) It's affecting my day-to-day life ....

You are not alone! I've spent countless nights crying, doubting my own ability to "read" people, feeling helpless. Mostly, the sadness, heaviness in my heart is the hardest thing to put in check and go about my daily routine.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

Do you think Chad was in court to:

A) Support Lori

or

B) Attempt to intimidate Lori* or someone else?

*not sure she can be intimidated

Support Lori (and/or find out what else he can about this. Let's assume he was there when the arrest happened. How much time did he possibly take to read over the affidavit and probable cause document? If he wasn't privy to all the information then, he certainly heard some of it from the judge). Obvious reason is to see if bail was going to be lowered and he could therefore post it.

he didn't look very supportive in the video clip

I disagree. He looked like he was intensely paying attention.

Thing is, if he's got separate counsel, which he really ought to have by now, counsel is no doubt telling him that proximity to potential murder raps is not the right play here.

If he is smart, he should be dumping LV like a hotcake, now he has "found out" all this damning evidence against her

I doubt this is the case. I doubt he has separate counsel because, while he's involved, he's not presently charged. Separate counsel would be a sign to all that there's a divided front.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

You are not alone! I've spent countless nights crying, doubting my own ability to "read" people, feeling helpless. Mostly, the sadness, heaviness in my heart is the hardest thing to put in check and go about my daily routine.

I feel deeply for you. I know how this must feel to find out about a friend. You're in my prayers as well.

 

[SuziQ]

At the below link is the last known video of JJ.

Daybells' neighbor in Idaho captures last known video of JJ Vallow
kutv.com/news/local/daybells-neighbor-in-idaho-captures-last-known-video-of-jj-vallow

The link won't copy and paste properly. Hopefully you can find the video at KUTV.com

I am way behind. I apologize if this was already posted. I'm going to go cry now.

 

[Jankee]

I feel deeply for you. I know how this must feel to find out about a friend. You're in my prayers as well.

I am sorry for what you are going through. This case reaches far beyond the key players. Praying for guidance and healing to all who have been touched by this tragedy. Praying for courage and strength as we all continue to watch these horrific events unfold.

 

[oviedo]

Is there any hope the children are alive ? You all know them - can we have hope still or do we believe they are capable of eliminating them ? thank you being on WS it must be such an awful time

 

[Kudzu]

After watching the hearing I thought all evening about the Daybell kids, and I am so very concerned. They are NOT ok. They have to still be reeling from the loss of their mom. I lost my mom a few months ago, and I’m twice their age, and I’m still not OK! To be immediately abandoned by their father right after the funeral, followed by the quickie marriage and move out of state, and then to hear all these terrible new facts unfolding in the media? Does anyone know if they have family and/or friends of the family continually watching over them? Because they need “parents” right now, even if they’re someone else’s parents. This goes for Cody as well. We’ve gotten to know him a lot more, but the pain of the Daybell kids would have to be just as raw. I know our primary concern is for the welfare of J.J. and Tylee, but those other five Daybell kids and Cody need a strong wing over them. And this is all MOO...

 

[squareandrabbet]

I have not heard or seen anything about memorial services for Alex.
He was close to his family but also very private regarding them.

Glad to have you here, @Jankee . In retrospect, do you remember Alex getting particularly "weird" or "heavy" in any type of conversations about religion? Any casual mentions of things that, with time and escalating knowledge of the situation, are starting to seem a bit more sinister?

I have to say that through this whole thread today I'm feeling a growing fascination with Island culture and life out there. And the guy trying to clean up his island asking chad questions as Chad drove off... yeah, now I want to visit Hawaii. I'm loving this sense of family they tend to have. Just have to say that I'm admiring quite a few things about the people of Kauai right about now.

I know, even I felt like I "did something" to help when the charging documents were coming down; and I definitely know @Portiz34 did something to help.

yeah that just isn't normal is it, iv seen divorced couples more upset when their ex dies

We know for a fact, that Charles' ex-wife was more torn up about his death than Lori was; and by an order of magnitude.

Civil union, is that equal to legal union?

Yes, it means the officiant was approved by the government in some way. One of the proverbial storied cliches of people "going down to City Hall" to get married.

Vallow was her last husband's name, so I wouldn't consider that her own.



Awwwwww...they didn't let her put her makeup and lipstick on for this mugshot?! Also, without the sunglasses, her face looks pretty aged!

Yeah, we're seeing true Lori IMO, with the petulant perma-frown etched upon her face.

civil union = marriage now. Many will disagree, especially here. I don't want to get political but CU was the workaround before the US Supreme Court eliminated gender restrictions on marriage throughout the US. But CU rules may still be a workaround for social security!

I thought "civil union/marriage", simply meant the officiant was approved by a government body rather than a religious one.

I.e., the proverbial character in all the Westerns referred to as "justice of the peace"; or in the screwball comedies, the judge that everyone woke up and dragged out in his nightclothes to perform a marriage.

Hence the part in the marriage vows about "by the authority vested in me by the [insert name of government body]"; hence the category of government called "civil courts".

I'm pretty sure this category of officiant predates any shreds of the gay marriage debate; though I could be wrong.

I don't think we ever had "husband #1..because there is thought that there was never a marriage there. Husband 2 trackable, living. LV --his first marriage, has had two others.. seems to be normal life..and non-sleuth anyway. What i find interesting is if she is strong family LDS, i don't think the first 4 husbands were! This just does seem right for having strong LDS belief.

It's been widely reported that Charles converted to LDS for Lori; and that he was in fact more gung-ho about it than she was. Either his sister Kay or ex-wife Cheryl (?), or maybe both, had said if Lori's flights of fantasy had run in any different direction less severe than "I am a god, and can kill anyone I disagree with", that Charles might still have been drinking the Lori-LDS mash-up Kool-Aid. I agree I don't think we know about Tylee's father or beyond. We don't even know if Tylee was a practicing LDS; or at least as a non-LDS without any access to church records, I don't.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Additional charges possible in Vallow/Daybell case

One of the charges against Lori states that both she and Chad tried to get their friend to lie about the kids’ location: a woman named Melanie Gibb who lives in Arizona.

If that name sounds familiar, that`s because she was their cohost on the “Preparing a People” podcast.

Our sources close to the family say Gibb has a lawyer and is cooperating with the investigation.
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If the last sentence is true, I find that interesting. If she did not act in furtherance of Lori's solicitation to obstruct which is what the arrest warrant affidavit says then what other legal jeopardy does Melanie have? It may just be her being prudent but it could also be that she has some other involvement and cooperating is part of some deal to avoid prosecution.

Perhaps they will use Lori as bait to lure Chad back to Idaho, easier to arrest him there instead of extraditing both.

 

[FindingJoLee]

You are not alone! I've spent countless nights crying, doubting my own ability to "read" people, feeling helpless. Mostly, the sadness, heaviness in my heart is the hardest thing to put in check and go about my daily routine.

Exactly....all of it....thanks for sharing.

::::hugs::::

 

[Jethro4WS]

I hope someone can help determine WHEN Lori got the PO Box in Sugar City ID. "Lori Charles Vallow"... why is Charles in the listing????

Alex Cox is associated with the same PO Box (415) so I suspect that it must be around the time of the move to Rexburg.

 

[Trask]

In reference to a number of posts and comments regarding the YouTuber who posts about things undone and incomplete with unnamed sources, and anything else out there, including what any of us (even I) might speculate. I'd like to just say one thing: Be careful what you believe.

Be wary of believing something you haven't or can't research on our own. If we are sleuths we can observe and make informed opinions. These may be wrong. I've been wrong here many times: I panicked when I saw a truck that looked like one registered to CV in footage of a double shooting in Arizona. The truck had nothing to do with the shooting. Just because something looks like it makes sense, doesn't mean it does. Another example: it very well may be that the dark grey 2018 Jeep Wrangler in AZ for BB shooting was the one from which the wheel and seat were removed and placed in the Idaho storage unit.

Okay, where am I going with this? Be careful if you can't find another source to verify. I need to do this as well. Speaking of the YouTube videos with unknown sources. There's one from Feb 7th. After the intro at about 1:40 the speaker says "Chad and Lori met September 23, 2018 through Jason Mow at the temple". I'm not going to go into anything else in the video because this is sufficient for me to establish credibility.

At which temple did they meet? Jason and Lori both lived in Arizona at the time. Mesa temple? Gilbert was opened 2014. It could be that one. OK. Fine. How about any number of temples between? Sure also possible. However, September 24, 2018 was Tylee's 16th birthday. I doubt Lori took a trip to be with Chad on such an occasion especially since we have no evidence of this. So Chad is visiting Arizona in September 2018? OK. But no. September 23, 2018 was a Sunday. The temples aren't open Sundays. OK. Maybe they met on temple grounds. Fine. That's acceptable. Easy-peasy. However, I happen know that September 23, 2018 was also a Sunday wherein Chad would have been in ward council (2nd and 4th Sundays of the month) in the early morning and then three hours of church (2-hour church wasn't announced until 2 weeks later and implemented the following January). The earliest he could have left for Arizona would be noon. Driving would not get him there until September 24th. Flying would have been unlikely as well because it would be more expensive from Idaho Falls if there was a flight or time consuming to drive 4+ hours to SLC and fly from there. Either way. Chad did not meet Lori Vallow at the temple on September 23, 2018.

It looks like the speaker of this story is misinformed in this first incident reported in the podcast. Assume she or her source tied the known connection Chad had with September 23 and postulated when it would have been ideal to have met.

If this didn't happen, what else in the story can be true? I don't know.

I've seen a photo of Chad at a book signing in Mesa, AZ on Jul 13, 2018 the same day as a poster for an event (see attached). I'm thinking it's more likely he met her then and there rather than the visionary-significant date of September 23, 2018.

I'm not saying I'm perfect or that you should believe everything I say. Please don't. Let's give opinions and hash things out. I want everything as tidy and explainable as the next sleuth, maybe even more-so than others: a friend of mine is dead! But we have to be careful.

I haven't caught up yet but was I the first person to post about that video yesterday so I'll respond to your post.

At the time I first saw the video, the YouTuber got several small points of fact wrong. The email she received and read struck me as something that would be the product of a rumor mill, coming from within a group of people who are members of a forum site that shall not be named here. A compilation of things known and things heard. I still feel that way today.

As such, the video cannot be counted on as a fact gathering source in any way however, I think it is still useful in some other ways. For instance, the confirmation of MG's part in the cover up story for the children, which we knew nothing about, leads me to give the parts of the email which involve Melanie a little more credence.

I also think the video is useful for giving an overall feel about where Chad and Lori's heads are at as well as how the group they were interacting with may be responding to their actions. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

Support Lori (and/or find out what else he can about this. Let's assume he was there when the arrest happened. How much time did he possibly take to read over the affidavit and probable cause document? If he wasn't privy to all the information then, he certainly heard some of it from the judge). Obvious reason is to see if bail was going to be lowered and he could therefore post it.


I disagree. He looked like he was intensely paying attention.


I doubt this is the case. I doubt he has separate counsel because, while he's involved, he's not presently charged. Separate counsel would be a sign to all that there's a divided front.

Do you think he knows where the kids are or what has happened to them? If he has known Lori as long as we think he has and that JJ was attending school for at least three weeks in Rexburg, he had to know where the kids are surely? How can he possibly describe Lori as an "empty nester" and tell LE he hardly knows her when he married her only 3 weeks beforehand? Can you understand that behaviour from him or explain it at all?

 

[SuziQ]

With regard to Lori and her two-tone hair, I was just watching Fox 10 news out of Phoenix and saw two women in different photos that had the same two-tone blonde on top, dark on bottom type hair that Lori has. It must be a fad in Phoenix. I took screenshots but don’t think I can post them.

Edited for grammar

It is a fad everywhere. My hair is two toned.

 

[tresir2012]

Alex Cox is associated with the same PO Box (415) so I suspect that it must be around the time of the move to Rexburg.

I think it was before as it has Charles on it also. Unless that was because of the situation with Lori possibly still having cards and accounts in joint names with him.
ETA that way I guess their address would be secret to anyone they previously knew like Kay for example. This is proving to show real premeditated behaviour and an intent to conceal IMO.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

Do you think he knows where the kids are or what has happened to them? If he has known Lori as long as we think he has and that JJ was attending school for at least three weeks in Rexburg, he had to know where the kids are surely? How can he possibly describe Lori as an "empty nester" and tell LE he hardly knows her when he married her only 3 weeks beforehand? Can you understand that behaviour from him or explain it at all?

Honestly? At first I was sure he didn't know about the kids. Then 50/50. Now? Attempted running from LE when questioned and lying about even knowing her phone number? I can't see how he didn't know about them.
None of this makes sense to me as the Chad I know/knew.
Apparently, the only thing I can understand is that he still walks the same as he always has.

 

[tresir2012]

Honestly? At first I was sure he didn't know about the kids. Then 50/50. Now? Attempted running from LE when questioned and lying about even knowing her phone number? I can't see how he didn't know about them.
None of this makes sense to me as the Chad I know/knew.
Apparently, the only thing I can understand is that he still walks the same as he always has.

TY for your honest reply. Can you anticipate his next move? Will he stay in Hawaii till 2nd March or return to Idaho or Utah?