Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18

[nhmemorymaker]

I think if anyone would maybe Tylees aunt. Her website timeline is very thorough MOO

And she is/was a reporter!!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I for a long time now have thought this is just playing into her fantasy that she’s all powerful and mighty . She thinks it’s her show and she’s in charge and in control . I even wondered if all of this was a publicity stunt to sell chads books and end of day story and she’d eventually on her own timeline show the kids are alive and well and always have been and she’s the savior (in her own mind ) I won’t lie apart of me still hopes that’s true bc then the kids would be alive but as everything falls into place and bodies pile up, kids medication left behind and never refilled, service animals surrendered, and she throws away their family memories , her children’s baby pictures the harder that becomes to think about.

If they were stashed somewhere with someone hiding them for the end of days.....isn’t there room for family albums at the very least . If everyone’s going to die and you’re going to live on dont you want those pictures to save as long as possible . If you truly believed that would you spend the last days of your life with a new partner on a beach or would spend it with your family and close friends . Would you be on that beach or would bc you think you’re the chosen one you’d be prepping like there’s literally no tomorrow storing food, water, meds.

the truth is she doesn’t believe that story chads selling . But LVD has proved to be selfish, conniving, scary, and extremely premeditated. She has little to no value for anyone at all except herself.

but the LVD that we now know who has a lot of horrific things doesn’t match up with the LV others claim she was before....I don’t think she changed at all. She’s always been this scary person who’s delusional and unhinged . She just hid it well. There’s several diagnoses that could be . But most importantly LVD knows right from wrong . That’s why she’s fled from place to place. That’s why she lies. That’s why she hides.

Definitely... as I usually say... I think she was born a "bad seed"... her looks just got her so far for so many years. We all know people like this--maybe not evil---but able to influence by their looks, charm, wit or whatever... And you bring up another interesting little tid bit... For this group of people--don't think I have seen this many states,moves, and house changes in such short periods of time.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Is there a place within this forum where it would be appropriate to ask for people to respond to the question of how they came to be interested in this case? There is such a fascinating mix of people participating. EDIT: Also a truly fascinating mix of backgrounds and expertise.

 

[missingm]

Perhaps they will use Lori as bait to lure Chad back to Idaho, easier to arrest him there instead of extraditing both.

When she goes to Idaho is the most likely time for him to disappear. He can easily get a ticket with a stopover and simply leave in a rental car. Or maybe just buy a ticket to South America. Or buy a boat and live off the grid for a few months.

Hawaii is the US, no need to wait for him to travel to Idaho. Just issue an arrest warrant now.

 

[BluebirdFla]

At the below link is the last known video of JJ.

Daybells' neighbor in Idaho captures last known video of JJ Vallow
kutv.com/news/local/daybells-neighbor-in-idaho-captures-last-known-video-of-jj-vallow

The link won't copy and paste properly. Hopefully you can find the video at KUTV.com

I am way behind. I apologize if this was already posted. I'm going to go cry now.

Daybells' neighbor in Idaho captures last known video of JJ Vallow

I wondered about neighbors having doorbell cameras here a few days ago. Think about the ramifications if they have this, what else LE has from this doorbell cam. Everyone coming and going from that home with times and dates. Especially dates in September and October.

 

[divineappt]

Hmm, I have considered the second to last sentence in your post. If, and again if even plausible, by whom and why? MOO

JMO But I think if she were being blackmailed, her attitude and demeanor would be different.

 

[Rush4087]

From the criminal complaint, it appears that on 11/26 after leaving the town home, RPD tried to contact MG to see if JJ was with her. I assume they left a message.

Also on 11/26 (I assume sometime soon after RPD had left the town home) both Lori and Chad made phone calls to MG asking her to lie to LE (to say that JJ was with her) in the event LE contacted her inquiring about JJ.

Then, after being asked by RPD on 11/26 to follow up, Gilbert PD went to MG's residence, but found she was not home. I assume this visit was on 11/27. Later (that same day?) however, Gilbert PD was able to speak to MG by phone. During the phone conversation, MG reported that JJ was not with her and that he had not been at her residence in several months. But it appears she neglected to mention the calls she'd received from Lori and Chad (possibly) just the night before.

On 12/6 MG finally contacted RPD to report the phone calls she had received from Lori and Chad on 11/26 in which they requested that she lie for them.

Why, during her phone conversation with Gilbert PD on 11/27, did MG not tell them about the phone calls she had received from Lori and Chad (possibly) just the night before? And why did MG wait until 12/6 before reporting the calls to RPD? Talk about delaying investigators in their search for the kids..

I can certainly understand that MG may have been afraid for her safety if she didn't comply with Lori and Chad's request that she lie. But given that MG probably knew LE would eventually learn of the calls, shouldn't she have also been worried about it appearing in the future that she had been complicit in Lori and Chad's deception (and that she also in the future could possibly face obstruction charges)?

Did MG contact RPD when she did because it was the right thing to do, or because she was less (or possibly more?) afraid than she had been on 11/27, or because she realized the ship was starting to take on water?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

the money will run out pretty quick...from what I have read so far....

I don't think I have seen an answer to this question, apologies if so. Do Insurance companies have the right to take back the money immediately, given Tammy's death is now catagorized as suspicious? I am sure someone out in our space must have exact answers of how insurance works...

 

[divineappt]

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I bet that he does. I used to work with a lot of doctors, who would talk to each other, they tend to ignore staff. Anyway, one thing they all agreed on, was that divorce was stupid. "Why trade one "nag", for another one? They all end up the same.".

Quite insightful. Doctors are smart, and very few get divorced. (Or kill their wives).

I sort of wonder if Chad misses his mousy brown hair librarian wife.

I’m guessing his life with Tammy was too boring and uneventful. . .

 

[FindingJoLee]

Well I just read something that said LV was a contestant on Wheel of Fortune and maybe was Mrs Texas ? And that she had run a salon in her home and said her family was from Hawaii and how much she loved it here... that's according to someone who knew her, I saw it on a family members Twitter - is that allowed to share?

Sorry to dip back so far, but I just wanted to say that some of this is demonstrably false. I don't who was the original source of this information or whether this particular non-fact might just be a swell-sounding family legend, but no....
History

 

[utahobserver]

I'm thinking they'd be less crowded in September and past the Labor Day weekend when schools are back in session and people less likely to be vacationing, especially families which would tend to up the number of visiters faster.

I agree - they choose September 8 deliberately for all the reasons you stated. Part of the plan.

MOO -Back tracking a bit here and thinking out loud, I think there was a trigger event for Lori. Her thinking became very dark during her January 2019 visit to Kauai. She was described as manic at this point, disorganized. She left abruptly. It’s clear that some sort of plan is being put into motion upon her return.It’s hard to armchair classify her-she could be a sociopath, psychopath or bipolar. There are too many events to be considered coincidental. Screws became loose and then fell out.

She lived like a nomad, as did Alex and maybe now MBP. Lori travels light. Even when things go wrong - police visit in November-they were ready. PREPARED.

I am curious what both her and Alex’s childhoods were like. Two apples like this, it points to something.

And Chad. Does he realize now that all his tales of veils and visions have essentially tumbled into madness? Does he believe his own hype deep inside? Being tolerant of everyone’s beliefs-do the folks behind the AVOW paywall truly support child murder? Surely they must have some skepticism about Chad’s innocence in all of this.

None of this is speculative anymore. Crimes have been committed and potential heinous crimes have been committed. Even those who disagree with our societal norms must certainly agree that you can’t murder children.

 

[divineappt]

yeah that just isn't normal is it, iv seen divorced couples more upset when their ex dies

If nothing else, they hurt for their children losing a parent. None of that here.

 

[LeBlack]

Hope Chad doesn't run before then.

Me too! He is diabetic & didn't eat tonight; he got some fluids & ate when we got home, so fingers crossed it was just slight dehydration (don't know how he always has water).

I hope he's being watched and his money held/tracked.

OT (Canned food helps keep cats hydrated, they get their fluids from their diets in nature. I also give mine gravy treats bc of urinary issues. Love your tag line, just started watching SH)

 

[mickey2942]

I don't think I have seen an answer to this question, apologies if so. Do Insurance companies have the right to take back the money immediately, given Tammy's death is now catagorized as suspicious? I am sure someone out in our space must have exact answers of how insurance works...

Once the coroner signed off on the death of Tammy Daybell as "natural causes". The life insurance company had no legal recourse to hold the funds.

The insurance company may have been part of the reason for Tammy's subsequent exhumation.

Currently, there are no charges against Chad Daybell in relationto Tammy's death. Legally there is no reason for a judgement or garnishment of the insurance money.

Who knows how much money will be left? Chad is blowing through cash.

Does Lori think that she committed the "perfect" crime? That lack of evidence will exonerate her?

 

[divineappt]

Hawaii allows civil unions which may not qualify under federal law for ss purposes but would be a marriage in other respects. So "husband" is not necessarily a fib.

But here we go... two people can only get married in Hawaii if:
(5) Neither of the parties is a person afflicted with any loathsome disease concealed from, and unknown to, the other party;

Clearly Lori has a loathsome disease so any marriage is invalid

PART I

BBM (4) Consent of neither party to the marriage has been obtained by force, duress, or fraud;

 

[tresir2012]

Daybells' neighbor in Idaho captures last known video of JJ Vallow

I wondered about neighbors having doorbell cameras here a few days ago. Think about the ramifications if they have this, what else LE has from this doorbell cam. Everyone coming and going from that home with times and dates. Especially dates in September and October.

God bless him. At last something physically showing him Ok. I wonder if the neighbour could have been scared to come forward before she was arrested? This video is after Yellowstone thank goodness.

 

[divineappt]

I am a little surprised you would challenge the affidavit.

Based on the wording alone, I saw the same thing as Kona.

 

[SuziQ]

Daybells' neighbor in Idaho captures last known video of JJ Vallow

I wondered about neighbors having doorbell cameras here a few days ago. Think about the ramifications if they have this, what else LE has from this doorbell cam. Everyone coming and going from that home with times and dates. Especially dates in September and October.

Thank you for posting the link! Sadly, I bet Tylee is not seen on that camera after 9-8-19.

IMO, we will be shocked at the amount of digital evidence in this case. Chad and Lori are not criminal masterminds. They are so arrogant they probably never thought their crimes would be discovered.

 

[missingm]

Once the coroner signed off on the death of Tammy Daybell as "natural causes". The life insurance company had no legal recourse to hold the funds.

The insurance company may have been part of the reason for Tammy's subsequent exhumation.

Currently, there are no charges against Chad Daybell in relationto Tammy's death. Legally there is no reason for a judgement or garnishment of the insurance money.

Who knows how much money will be left? Chad is blowing through cash.

Does Lori think that she committed the "perfect" crime? That lack of evidence will exonerate her?

According to the arrest warrant he received $430k from the life insurance, so I would guess at his age he could have another few hundred thousand lying around at least.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Once the coroner signed off on the death of Tammy Daybell as "natural causes". The life insurance company had no legal recourse to hold the funds.

The insurance company may have been part of the reason for Tammy's subsequent exhumation.

Currently, there are no charges against Chad Daybell in relationto Tammy's death. Legally there is no reason for a judgement or garnishment of the insurance money.

Who knows how much money will be left? Chad is blowing through cash.

Does Lori think that she committed the "perfect" crime? That lack of evidence will exonerate her?

BBM. And we're told Tammy handled the finances. He's potentially clueless about $$. Jmo