Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

[Anonymous91]

Interesting at the end, where the reporter says Lori’s deceased brother Alex could be linked to Tammy’s death.

MOO

...and conveniently he is dead. He's going to be used as everyone's scapegoat.
Now he may be linked to all the dead bodies.

I have a bad feeling.

MOO

 

[SeattleStew]

dbm

 

[SeattleStew]

Shackled.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Did you guys notice in the Hawaii hearing yesterday LV's atty specifically said LV was taking the 5th and would answer no questions from the transporters and the good Judge leveled a gaze at him and said something along the lines "You do realize that's Idaho transporting?" Which resulted in more grins and full-on toothy smiles from the perp.

 

[Picklepuck]

That lawyer Mark Means acts like a child when past clients post bad reviews. In some of his replies, he seems to be sharing details of the client that shouldn't be divulged, IMO. With that being said, it will be fun to watch him in court and to evaluate his fashion choices. Lol. He just gives off a very d-baggy vibe to me.

https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/83642-id-mark-means-4433178/reviews.html

 

[yawningreyhound]

Boy, I'm on a roll today.....Nothing really new in here but the chart charting the dead bodies I thought was interesting. Gooddog, please let me never have a chart linking me to five dead/missing people.......

Lori Vallow, mom of missing Idaho kids, set to appear in court Friday

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

It looks fake... and poorly written/poorly organized.
At the very least, they need to fire their website designer.
It also reminds me of the AVOW website for some reason.


MOO.

It was never proofed, very odd. It looks like comedy skit ad!! Something you would see in MAD magazine

 

[indicolite22]

...and conveniently he is dead. He's going to be used as everyone's scapegoat.
Now he may be linked to all the dead bodies.

I have a bad feeling.

MOO

I took that as a hint that LE might have electronic evidence that points to Alex's involvement.

 

[indicolite22]

Adam Herbets on Twitter

Lori Vallow Daybell is wearing a pink shirt, black leggings, black shoes, and a black sweatshirt with the word Kauai on the front. She is handcuffed. We believe she is now back in the mainland US.

 

[yawningreyhound]

That lawyer Mark Means acts like a child when past clients post bad reviews. In some of his replies, he seems to be sharing details of the client that shouldn't be divulged, IMO. With that being said, it will be fun to watch him in court and to evaluate his fashion choices. Lol. He just gives off a very d-baggy vibe to me.

https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/83642-id-mark-means-4433178/reviews.html

Can someone opine why LV would hire a divorce lawyer for her substantially more serious charges? Dumping Daybell soon? There are three lawyers hired, tho', so I guess she wanted one in each specialty. I have to go look at the others now to see if they're more appropriate to her situation.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Virtually everyone and everything has some negative reviews, so their existence isn't always a concern. Not always, but sometimes, the negative reviews will be something positive to me. Sometimes it is clear that the reviewer is the one with the problem. I've found that reading the negative reviews looking for patterns and recurring themes can be enlightening. I couldn't help but notice in the first page of reviews that displayed there were 3 negative ones. Two of them he replied and essentially said that the issue was the client wasn't paying their bills, so he (the lawyer) dropped them. I found that credible. I'd certainly assume that if I wasn't sure I'd be able to pay my bill on time that it was going to backfire on me. (If Lori thinks when the money runs out she can flash him a flirty smile and get him to back off, she might be shocked.) But the third negative review boiled down to lack of attention to detail which fits with the comments about his website. Then reading his responses to the other two negative reviews, the same thing was apparent. I'd be concerned hiring him for that reason.

MOO

One client can assume multiple persona/identities and post several reviews. Read any reviews, with a grain of salt. Or two. If they are over the top giddy or under the bus ugly, beware. Any extremes are suspect. And some sites won’t allow for responses. That’s the worst place to check. Google AWARDS posters ratings for how many places they rate a business. Some top raters appear to be negative nags. No person and No place is worthy of a good or great mention. Just always complaining about service, food or people.
Use common sense.

 

[BigAl16]

Lori Vallow's attorneys in Idaho file requests to see case documents and lower her bond amount

This is a list of what her attorneys want from prosecutors:

• statements made by Lori Vallow to police, before and after her arrest
• a copy of Lori Vallow's criminal record
• all evidence against Lori Vallow, including documents, photos, and items
• computer and cell phone data
• results of any examinations or scientific tests conducted in the case
• a list of all potential witnesses and their addresses, not including law enforcement
• a summary of any expert witness reports
• unredacted police reports including anything from Boise and Ada County
• any handwritten police notes, including anything from Boise and Ada County
• unredacted digital media
• exculpatory evidence, including names of any other suspects police are looking at, contradictory witness statements, and any deals made between law enforcement and potential witnesses.
• dispatch tapes of all calls in connection to the case
• whether the prosecutor intends to charge Vallow with any other crimes in addition to the charges already filed
• any surveillance, eavesdropping, or wiretap recordings
• any other information the defense is entitled to in the case

Hmm. The specific mention of Boise and Ada County doesn't make sense, does it? I assume they mean the City of Boise, but it could be Boise County (another example of her attorney not proofreading very well). For the uninitiated, the City of Boise is in Ada County. Boise County is a rural county NE of Ada County. Both are several hundred miles away from Madison County. If she has been to the Boise area and questioned or anything there, we haven't heard about it. That's possible. But if I were to guess, based on what we've seen of this attorney's work product, my guess is because her attorney is based in the Boise metro that he has a standard list of things he choses from for putting his discovery request together and he neglected to change Boise and Ada County to say City of Rexburg and Madison County.

MOO

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

That lawyer Mark Means acts like a child when past clients post bad reviews. In some of his replies, he seems to be sharing details of the client that shouldn't be divulged, IMO. With that being said, it will be fun to watch him in court and to evaluate his fashion choices. Lol. He just gives off a very d-baggy vibe to me.

https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/83642-id-mark-means-4433178/reviews.html

OH MY GOODNESS!! What a d-bag! I have never in my life seen such a thing!! Reading his responses are crazy. Talk about ignoring lawyer client privacy!!! WOW!! Lori is going to have her hands full if they disagree on anything!!

 

[Picklepuck]

OH MY GOODNESS!! What a d-bag! I have never in my life seen such a thing!! Reading his responses are crazy. Talk about ignoring lawyer client privacy!!! WOW!! Lori is going to have her hands full if they disagree on anything!!

I know, right?!?! I only read up to page 5. I was getting so ticked off by his responses. I bet the people who left bad reviews are laughing their butts off knowing he will be one of LVD's lawyers.

 

[divineappt]

I don’t remember if I came up with flight 697 because it was the only one or why. Too much water under the bridge, but AA697 has touched down in Phoenix. Then 11:04 to SLC. Anyone else have a different option?

 

[Underneath the Sky]

Technical question: Whom is it currently OK to sleuth in this case? (Or should I be asking this on some other thread?)

 

[Picklepuck]

Hmm. The specific mention of Boise and Ada County doesn't make sense, does it? I assume they mean the City of Boise, but it could be Boise County (another example of her attorney not proofreading very well). For the uninitiated, the City of Boise is in Ada County. Boise County is a rural county NE of Ada County. Both are several hundred miles away from Madison County. If she has been to the Boise area and questioned or anything there, we haven't heard about it. That's possible. But if I were to guess, based on what we've seen of this attorney's work product, my guess is because her attorney is based in the Boise metro that he has a standard list of things he choses from for putting his discovery request together and he neglected to change Boise and Ada County to say City of Rexburg and Madison County.

MOO

Good point! Extremely sloppy on the lawyer's end if this is the case. So, if he didn't request info for the correct county, I wonder if that means the prosecutor will not be required to hand over any evidence that occurred in Rexburg/Madison County? That would be icing on the cake, IMO.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Bringing this forward.....

This would imply that Friday’s hearing is limited in scope.


https://www.khsidaholaw.com/faq-what-is-the-court-process-for-a-felony-in-idaho


When I am contact by people charged with a felony, one of the first questions I'm asked is: "What is the actual court process" for my case? Unless you know the process, it's really difficult to have any level of comfort or confidence. In a nutshell, here are the steps that occur in court: Arraignment; Preliminary Hearing; Entry of Plea; Status Conference; Pretrial Conference; Trial; Sentencing.

Let's take them one-at-a-time.

Initial Appearance
The first time someone accused of a felony sees a judge, it is an "Initial Appearance." The judge at an Initial Appearance is a "magistrate" judge. The Initial Appearance must generally occur within 24 hours of a person's arrest. At the Initial Appearance, the magistrate judge must advise the defendant of the following:

• The Defendant is not required to make a statement and that any statement may be used against the defendant;
• The nature of the charge or charges;
• The Defendant's right to bail;
• The Defendant's right to counsel (if the Defendant is unable to afford an attorney, one will be appointed at public expense)
• The Defendant's right to a Preliminary Hearing, the nature of the Preliminary Hearing, and the effect of a waiver of a preliminary hearing; and
• The Defendant's right to communicate with counsel and immediate family, and that reasonable means will be provided for the Defendant to do so.

Because the Initial Appearance happens so quickly (and it should), you may not have had the time to retain an attorney. Don't worry, there is typically a public defender present at the Initial Appearance to protect your rights. If you decide to hire an attorney after the Initial Appearance, it won't be an issue.

Preliminary Hearing
The next hearing that happens is the Preliminary Hearing. If you are in custody, the hearing must occur within 14 days; if you are out of custody, the hearing must occur within 21 days. The judge at a Preliminary Hearing is also a "magistrate" judge. It won't necessarily be the same one that conducted the Initial Appearance; don't worry if it isn't. A preliminary hearing is the State's opportunity to convince a judge that there is "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed and that you committed it. "Probable cause" is a fairly low amount of evidence; much lower than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard required at a trial.

Nevertheless, the State must call witnesses to establish "probable cause" and the rules of evidence generally apply (with a few exceptions). That means witnesses with first-hand knowledge must come into court, be placed under oath, and answer questions. Although defense attorneys are permitted to ask questions, this is not a trial and many times the questions are limited. Not because they have to be, but because the defense attorney wants to "keep his or her powder dry" for trial. Because the "probable cause" standard is so low, it rarely does much good to call into question a witnesses testimony at the preliminary hearing stage.

It is important to note, if the State is not ready to proceed at the time set for the Preliminary Hearing, it can, in most instances, simply dismiss and re-file the case and that starts the clock all over again. It doesn't seem right, but it is!

If the State establishes "probable cause" you will be sent to appear in the district court. If the State fails to meet its burden, the case will be dismissed.

Arraignment
If "probable cause" is established at the Preliminary Hearing, you will be "bound over to the district court." This simply means you go from the magistrate court to the district court (because only district courts have the authority to preside over felony cases. At your Arraignment, you will again be informed of the charges against you and the maximum possible penalties. If you are going to plead not guilty and demand a trial, you'll enter that plea now and the case will be set for trial. In Idaho, under the speedy-trial requirements, your trial must occur within 180 days from the filing of the Criminal Information (which is filed after the Preliminary Hearing).

If you need more time to discuss your case with your attorney, or to consider a plea offer from the State, you can request the matter be set for an Entry of Plea Hearing in the relatively-near future (think 1-2 weeks).

Entry of Plea
If you needed more time at your Arraignment to consider your options, consult with your attorney, and make an informed decision about what plea to enter, an Entry of Plea Hearing will be held. This is your chance to tell the judge what your plea is. If you decide to plead not guilty and demand your constitutional right to a jury trial and force the State to 'prove it," that's what will happen and your trial will be scheduled within 180 days of the filing of the Criminal Information.

If you decide to plead guilty, you will likely have to fill out a "Written Guilty Plea Advisory" form. This is a multi-page document listing all the rights you are giving up as well as asking for the terms of any plea offer you are agreeing to. Read the document carefully and ask questions if you have them! It is important you understand exactly what is happening because you are "waiving" or "giving up" important rights if you plead guilty!

If you plead guilty, the judge will ask you what you did to make you guilty of the crime. You should be well-informed about the elements of the crime so you can successfully "allocute" or tell the judge why you are guilty. I've seen numerous instances where a person's attempt to plead guilty was unsuccessful because he or she couldn't allocute. When that happens, it is fine, the judge won't accept the guilty plea. More time may be given, or a not guilty plea entered at that time.

Status Conference
Some judges will set a Status Conference between the Entry of Plea and Pretrial Conference hearings. A Status Conference is just what it sounds like: it is a chance for the parties to check in with the judge and let him or her know how the case is proceeding, whether there are any issues that need to be addressed, and whether the case is still "on track" for the trial date.

Pretrial Conference
A Pretrial Conference is the parties last chance before trial to inform the judge of the status of the case. According to Idaho Criminal Rule 18, the purpose of a Pretrial Conference is "to promote a fair and expeditious trial." This is a chance for the judge to ask if the parties are ready for trial. It is also an opportunity for the judge to discuss trial processes, pre-trial filings, and anything else that may need to be addressed.

Trial
A trial is where the State has to "prove it" beyond a reasonable doubt. Frankly, it is my favorite part of the process. This is the general process of a trial:

• Jury Selection (also known as Voir Dire)
• Opening Statements by the parties (the Defendant doesn't have to given an Opening Statement at this time and can "reserve" for when the defense case starts)
• State's Case-in-Chief where the State calls its witnesses to attempt to prove the elements of the crime charged and the defense attorney gets to cross-examine the same witnesses
• State Rests
• Defense Rule 29 Motion - this is a request to the judge to dismiss the case because no reasonable juror could find the Defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
• Defense Case-in-Chief where the defense calls witnesses. This is not mandatory and, in many instances, the defense won't put on any evidence and will simply argue the State hasn't proved it.
• Jury Instructions where the Court instructs the jury on the law applicable to the case
• Closing Arguments by the parties where each attorney argues the evidence and the verdict they believe is proper
• Deliberations where the jury decides your fate
• Reading of the Verdict

If the jury votes "Not Guilty" on the Verdict Form, the case is over and you are free to go. If the jury votes "Guilty" the matter will be set for a Sentencing Hearing. If the jury is deadlocked, the judge will either set a new trial date immediately, or will schedule a Status Conference.

Sentencing Hearing
If you are found guilty, the judge needs to sentence you. Before doing so, he or she will ask for a Presentence Investigation Report (known as a PSI or PSR). Your Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination continues to the PSI process and you do not have to participate. If you are convicted, you and your attorney will discuss whether to participate in the process.

That's the "anatomy" of a criminal case from start-to-finish. In the coming weeks, I'll be breaking each stage down in a little bit more detail and discussing the nitty gritty of each.

At the end of the day, you need an attorney who knows the process and how to handle each step so you are best positioned to achieve your desired outcome. If you're charged with a felony, you should hire an attorney who knows his or her way around the courtroom! If we can help, please let us know by filling out a Contact Form or calling (208) 288-1888.

 

[Iliveonaboat]

I have three burning questions about tomorrow’s court hearing.
1. Will Chad be there?
2. Will Lori’s parents possibly help with her bail/bond?
3. Will there be new charges added?

 

[Picklepuck]

I don’t remember if I came up with flight 697 because it was the only one or why. Too much water under the bridge, but AA697 has touched down in Phoenix. Then 11:04 to SLC. Anyone else have a different option?

Wish I knew this an hour ago...I would have gone down to the airport. Lol