Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #30

[divineappt]

Thank you. I can see the sellers name Gem Avenue. I went on the site. They are all cheaply made cookie cutter rings from a factory. I could get into detail, but it would get would get way OT. MOO She overpaid.

Looks like CD may have the same ring. MOO

 

[Tortoise]

HELP, please!! Someone on a social media group - a young man, it looks like - lifted my post from this website and posted it word for word on that platform. Does this happen a lot? And how do I get it removed? Feels wrong...

I noticed the same thing with one of Gardener1850's posts the other day (her name was not shown on the screenshot but I recognized the post). I'm not a twitter user but perhaps someone who is could report them to twitter for copyright violation.

 

[TexieLouWho21]

Looks like CD may have the same ring. MOO

I wish I could see it better. If you find a picture post it please. The Malachite rings is listed as uni-sex. I'm very curious to see CDs ring.

 

[Anonymous91]

I have copied your post...for future reference. I know it is such a sensitivity to mainstream Mormons, but to most of us who want to be highly analytical about this...well... it remains an elephant in the room. Having been a Catholic (converted way back, and never knew what it is to unconvert), I have never NOT questioned the Catholic Church. And some of the best arguments/discussions were with Jesuit Priests. I feel that even if one has a personal devout relationship with God or Jesus Christ or other, one can totally believe but still question spirituality and actions.

I personally find heartfelt analytics are next to impossible with my Mormon relatives. It does appear that there is so much "goodness" in living a Mormon life, but all propheting, business, demands, heavy tithing, must dos, can't dos that are just so accepted with no questioning, just kind of boggles my mind.

Your analysis of Chad as living on that edge, of wanting to be acknowledged, but then needing his own ego to be heard is so vivid. I actually "see him in the flesh" so well through your analysis.

On a slightly humorous note, I wonder what it would be like to be in a room with Chad, Snuffer, Parrett, and others. All those Macho drums are deafening. I am kind of like a "just give me a patch of grass to get on my knees and connect with God" kind of person. And through my life I have had many many many a good heady arguments with atheists, evangelicals, even a Scientologist or two. But never with my Mormon relatives. I remember once when I wanted to give a beautiful gift of sculpture to my sister-in-law, and my brother found out it was made by devout Catholic Brother...he said best not to give it. Never figured that one out.

What makes me feel that that the LDS Church MUST be part of this story is because every single character in this drama are Mormons. Do they relate to anybody else who is not Mormon in this entire stream of activity? Melani claims that AxC is so devout. Lori appears to marry 4 non-Mormons. Even our talented and wonderful journalist, Nate Eaton, a Mormon as well, didn't even know of all these weird groups out there. I just hope that Mormons can understand why this is just so confusing to us who are not.

It is a thick thread that pulls everyone together in this whole Netflix drama.

Being raised Mormon my entire life, I see where you are coming from.

All of these fringe beliefs are blindsiding most of us too, other than those actually involved with these groups.

Giving the sculpture to your sister-in-law is a head scratcher for me. I do know of some members that are a bit extreme in their practices though.

I have seen those that have an unhealthy view where they view it through the myopic view that if you are not an "active" LDS member, that they want nothing to do with you. Not a very christian way to be, but people come in all flavors.

There also seems to be a natural hierarchy for many members, which may help explain some of this. Any male member can be called as a: High Council,Bishop, Mission President, Stake or Branch Presidents, Temple Presidents, Quorom of the Seventy, the Twelve Apostles, First Presidency and the Prophet. There are other important positions too, I've just highlighted some here.

To be called to these positions, is supposed to be a matter of Prayer and fasting in theory. In practice though, from an outside view (MOO), I've observed the following:

- Active members that attend all church meetings (3 hour block, recently changed to 2 hr block).

- All of these positions are held by those with active Temple recommends.

- Typically, these men have all served full-time honorable missions.

- These positions are held by men that are in a happy, healthy marriage. I've yet to see a man that is divorced or single hold these positions.

- At least State side it seems that many of these positions are filled by people that are in white collar jobs.It is rare to have a farmer called to be a Bishop or Stake President (both local callings), although there are a lot of farmers here in Idaho.

- There seems to be certain sins that will keep you from receiving certain positions in the church. Part of this is because certain sins keep you from having a Temple recommend. Although, there are certain past sins that would also keep you out of very high callings in the church. - MOO

- Those that get called to the Quorom of the 70's are typically very successful in there chosen careeers (Again made up of White collar workers). The majority of them hold Masters Degrees or equivalent (PhD, Doctorates, etc.).

- When one of the twelve apostles are replaced, they are called from among those in the Quorom of the 70's. When the Prophet passes away, the first counselor becomes the new prophet. At this point it is based on seniority.

There seems to be an unspoken atmosphere that if you aren't getting higher callings over time, you must not be living right. There are many that actively pursue to follow this natural progression in the Church.

I find the trends disturbing, even if this may not be intentional, and is largely influenced by the culture we live in. Many of these men that I have met are very humble and do their best.

There are those that I have met though, that are very prideful, and boastful. They do this to gain glory from the world, and these are the ones that concern me. I think that would describe Chad. He was on this path, and from what we can see he seems to be very prideful and boastful.

Being married to men in these positions, elevates your position among certain members. Their wives are typically looked up to, and are seen, as an authority figure. Their poor children, are looked up to as role models for their peers.

I can see, with the wrong attitude, how dangerous this attitude can be, Especially when you introduce all of these crazy fringe beliefs to someone who already has a big ego. It's like pouring gasoline on dynamite and lighting a match. Boom!

I am painting a picture with a broad brush, so others personal experiences could certainly be different from my own. I thought that this may be helpful to have some insight into some of the dynamics that may have influenced what we are now seeing.

Hope this helps with CD and LVD, and gives some valuable insight.
MOO

 

[divineappt]

I wish I could see it better. If you find a picture post it please. The Malachite rings is listed as uni-sex. I'm very curious to see CDs ring.

The photo I posted shows it as close as I can get and not get too grainy.

ETA Just checked the web for other photos and continued to see a dark ring, potentially green in some, but that is all. JMO

 

[Anonymous91]

I've randomly pondered trying to find her wedding dress. Kind of a "what Lori wore" type of project. Jmo

I've recently been working on setting up my own blog.

I just realized that this case is so large and has so much traffic coming to it, someone could create an entire blog about it, and actually make money from it. At least until this gets wrapped up, which could be years from now.

So, for those of you who are looking for a good side hustle, there you go.

@CSIDreamer has already provided the first project: What Lori wore.

MOO

 

[TexieLouWho21]

Since there are links to CDand LVD on gemstone healing. For those interested silver and gold are also thought to have healing properties. Here are two I have read. For those interested.

Precious Metals: The Properties of Gold and Silver | Arkadia
The Amazing Healing Properties of Gold and Silver

 

[indicolite22]

Looks like CD may have the same ring. MOO

If that's the case, I wonder why only her ring (small size) was mentioned in MSM so far. It appears that there were other (undisclosed) items on the same Amazon order.

 

[Anonymous91]

rsbm

Apologies if I used the wrong descriptor. They put out a picture of Alex's Ford F150 and I assumed it was commonly referred to as a truck. Perhaps not?

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

here's the post made on March 5th -

Nate Eaton - Reporter
2 hrs ·
PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD.

The FBI and the Rexburg Police Department are asking that visitors to Yellowstone National Park on September 8, 2019, submit any photos and video that may assist in the investigation into the disappearance of 17-year old Tylee Ryan and 7-year old J.J. Vallow.

An ongoing investigation has determined that the children were in Yellowstone National Park on that date with their mother, Lori Vallow, and uncle, Alex Cox. The group was traveling in a silver, 2017 Ford F-150 pickup, with Arizona license plate CPQUINT. Attached are photos of the missing children, Lori Vallow, and Alex Cox, that were taken in the park on September 8, 2019, as well as pictures of the vehicle.

Law enforcement is seeking photos and video which may have captured images of these persons and the vehicle, or images of crowds and other park visitors where these individuals may be present. The FBI has established a website for the public to upload photos and video: FBI.gov/Rexburg.

Lol, I totally understand. We call those pickups in Idaho.

That's not a Truck?

That's a Truck!

A bit of Crocodile Dundee Humor for all of you.

Let's Hope that LE gets some info. about this that can help them solve this case. Since the FBI is now involved, maybe they are combing through highway video footage to try and retrace where LVD and Alex went after leaving YNP.

MOO

 

[FindingJoLee]

In MOO Lori's has a lower cut liner under the lace and a little tulle bustle thing. This dress has buttons down the back and Lori's has no closure in back
as @dot...dot...dot and @FindingJoLee observed
That said, i

I think you may be correct and possibly she used her less mo

I agree. It is possible that she used her less modest dress and added the lace top. The lei blocks the neckline in the photos I found. The shoulder straps look similar. The under dress neckline would give it away if we could see it. Would not need to be altered and would be quick. Wedding dresses can take quite a while to order and fit. But maybe they have evidence of a purchase? Her ring was cheap so I can't imagine her spending so much more on the dress.

I think the answer is pretty simple: She acquired some inexpensive pieces, off the rack and quickly delivered. Maybe it was Amazon, but stretch floral lace pieces (gowns, tops, etc) are very inexpensive, widely available, and off the rack. She ordered a 3/4 sleeve pull-on top or bodysuit, a white poly crepe maxi, a scoop cap-sleeve cami or slip, and then added some tulle to create interest. She created a pretty outfit that, like the ring, cost very little.

For some reason, I'm fascinated by the wedding outfits and by the conversations about them. But, I think the real point is this: This wedding was rushed.

 

[Picklepuck]

Just some thoughts on CPQUINT
Card Player + 5 card poker reference
Chinese Poker + 5 card win

In poker a Quint is known as a Straight Flush, which is only beaten by a Royal Straight-Flush

He definitely seems like the type to me to gamble. Any backup for that? If I were the FBI I would be running his DNA against unsolved murders.

Maybe he won or bought the truck in vegas after winning big on a straight flush at Caesar's Palace? That could be the CP Quint. MOO

 

[carbuff]

Carbuff, there are a lot of stretches between pullouts. That’s precisely why despite YNP being so expansive you can’t just pull off anywhere. There aren’t shoulders, and pulling off the road where there are no shoulders is prohibited. That being said, plenty of folks will do it for a look at the wildlife. But once one car pulls over, there are plenty of others wondering what you’re checking out and pull over as well. Within minutes a ranger shows up to mitigate the crowd and your opportunity is gone. Early September is crowded. We like to go mid to late September and mid to late May. Kids are back in school. I can’t see anyone taking a chance on committing a crime such as what we’re speculating on in the park. But nothing’s impossible here, MOO.

Prohibited? Like that ever stopped anybody. You're right about the main roads though. But there are also many places with lots of pullouts. Lots of small parking lots at trailheads. Lots of side roads that go to a trailhead or campground. Lots of loops that go back to less popular attractions. I got a flat years ago on the Fountain Flats (?might have been Firehole Lake) loop in September and had to wait almost an hour before a ranger came by.

Have they said publicly where that photo was taken? It looks to me like it's along the Firehole River, maybe Biscuit Basin where a bunch of official and some not so official trails wander off.

 

[kye0001]

Sorry I had to take a mh break as it got pretty crazy here with all the run up to cv-19, lockdown, online schooling my son etc. I couldn’t cope with much more. I’ve fallen quite far behind, probably too many threads to catch up on.

I’ve tried to follow the news as much as I could with JJ and TR.

I have a question that's purely nonjudmental, all curiosity. JJ was only 7. Do most 7 year olds get to facetime all day, every day? I mean we could be talking 20 some facetimes daily. Even if just for 30 seconds. Autism aside, makes me wonder how closely he was monitored. Can anyone with experience with autism weigh in on this? Thanks much.

My friends daughter has the exact same condition as my son and as she couldn’t be bothered to keep her occupied all day she used to give her her phone to FaceTime me. It got where I would get 30+ calls in a day, she used to talk most of the day. Friend in question actually fell out with me as I tried to explain that I had kids of my own, pets etc to look after and although I enjoyed the calls (I was trying to be polite but tbh she would just ring and show me her pets and sometimes start gaming/ignoring the call..the kid just wanted company and attention) I couldn’t talk on the phone for my entire day.

Yes I can see some high needs kids using FaceTime so much if the parents can’t be bothered to entertain them themselves sadly

 

[JosefZ]

Just some thoughts on CPQUINT
Card Player + 5 card poker reference
Chinese Poker + 5 card win

In poker a Quint is known as a Straight Flush, which is only beaten by a Royal Straight-Flush

He definitely seems like the type to me to gamble. Any backup for that? If I were the FBI I would be running his DNA against unsolved murders.

VV, a few chapters ago there was some back and forth. I remember one sleuther mentioning it may refer to Cap’n Quint from Jaws, MOO.

 

[Anonymom]

I think the answer is pretty simple: She acquired some inexpensive pieces, off the rack and quickly delivered. Maybe it was Amazon, but stretch floral lace pieces (gowns, tops, etc) are very inexpensive, widely available, and off the rack. She ordered a 3/4 sleeve pull-on top or bodysuit, a white poly crepe maxi, a scoop cap-sleeve cami or slip, and then added some tulle to create interest. She created a pretty outfit that, like the ring, cost very little.

For some reason, I'm fascinated by the wedding outfits and by the conversations about them. But, I think the real point is this: This wedding was rushed.

Yes, it was rushed. She needed to be a prepper and plan in advance. Yes, plan even while TD was alive and healthy.

Who could have imagined that everything would just naturally turn out the way LVD hoped and CD prophesied?

My sarcasm is showing.

 

[JosefZ]

Prohibited? Like that ever stopped anybody. You're right about the main roads though. But there are also many places with lots of pullouts. Lots of small parking lots at trailheads. Lots of side roads that go to a trailhead or campground. Lots of loops that go back to less popular attractions. I got a flat years ago on the Fountain Flats (?might have been Firehole Lake) loop in September and had to wait almost an hour before a ranger came by.

Have they said publicly where that photo was taken? It looks to me like it's along the Firehole River, maybe Biscuit Basin where a bunch of official and some not so official trails wander off.

The photo has been pinpointed to one of the walks at Old Faithful. My wife and I have hiked much of YNP, and despite how far we are from the road, and we’ve done 12 mile loop near Mammoth HS, 9 miles on east side of Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone, 5 mile Avalanche Peak and others. When you think no one’s around and the hair on the back of your neck starts to tingle because you’re in the middle of grizzly territory, sure enough here comes someone hiking back out. We were on Avalanche Trail two years ago immediately following an elk kill just west of us, recommended hiking group of four here due to bears, just my wife and I. We’re excited, but very spooked, in about two miles and here comes this older woman all by her lonesome hiking by herself. We stopped and talked, she had been on the trail the day prior and spotted a snowy owl. She wanted to find it again with her camera. No way I can see AxC and LV even hiking more than 200 yards from the parking lot.
I’m not saying TR couldn’t have been killed in YNP, I’m saying I don’t think she was because there’s always somebody where you would least expect. MOO

 

[Deerrun]

Just some thoughts on CPQUINT
Card Player + 5 card poker reference
Chinese Poker + 5 card win

In poker a Quint is known as a Straight Flush, which is only beaten by a Royal Straight-Flush

He definitely seems like the type to me to gamble. Any backup for that? If I were the FBI I would be running his DNA against unsolved murders.

Yes I read Alex had an issue with gambling, this is why I believe that's what the plate references, imo. I read it on WS don't remember which thread.

 

[CDB]

Looks like CD may have the same ring. MOO

It does look as if you are right.

I think I just threw up a bit in my mouth, how high school, maybe he let her wear his letter man jacket too.

 

[Monroe2]

Yes I read Alex had an issue with gambling, this is why I believe that's what the plate references, imo. I read it on WS don't remember which thread.

I had asked this before, maybe if one of the sleuthers on here lives in rex burg or near there, would love to know if the FBI mobile van is still behind rexburg pd

 

[carbuff]

The photo has been pinpointed to one of the walks at Old Faithful. My wife and I have hiked much of YNP, and despite how far we are from the road, and we’ve done 12 mile loop near Mammoth HS, 9 miles on east side of Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone, 5 mile Avalanche Peak and others. When you think no one’s around and the hair on the back of your neck starts to tingle because you’re in the middle of grizzly territory, sure enough here comes someone hiking back out. We were on Avalanche Trail two years ago immediately following an elk kill just west of us, recommended hiking group of four here due to bears, just my wife and I. We’re excited, but very spooked, in about two miles and here comes this older woman all by her lonesome hiking by herself. We stopped and talked, she had been on the trail the day prior and spotted a snowy owl. She wanted to find it again with her camera. No way I can see AxC and LV even hiking more than 200 yards from the parking lot.
I’m not saying TR couldn’t have been killed in YNP, I’m saying I don’t think she was because there’s always somebody where you would least expect. MOO

Thanks! I think I kind of recognize that now. You go up the hill from Old Faithful and down over a stream whose name I have forgotten. We surprised a bison there two years ago and I was afraid we were going to get trampled. Definitely not an isolated spot though it makes me wonder why LV took that particular photo. To mislead? It's a cute picture and captures how close Tylee and JJ seem to be, but that would require LV to have some feeling toward the kids, and everything else she has said makes that unlikely.

That's a good point about AxC not hiking very far. All my theories do depend on the family group being willing to hike back a bit. Though if that picture was taken near Old Faithful, he had already walked farther than 200 yards. And if you were going to kill somebody and throw them into a hot acid pool to disappear, you wouldn't need two miles of isolation. Two minutes would do it.