Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

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Pardon my ignorance, but who exactly is the one doing the subpoenas? The letterhead reads as if it's coming from Mr. Means, but just under the letterhead and in the body of the document it sounds like it's the State of Idaho doing the subpoena, and it's signed and sealed by Angie Wood the Court Clerk? So what exactly is going on here? Is Mr. Means demanding the information? Is the State of Idaho demanding the information be given to Mr. Means? Or is Mr. Means pretending to be the State of Idaho and demanding the information for himself? Not sure how to read those. Because as someone pointed out it reads just like Mr. Means' writing - spelling and grammar mistakes and all. But why is it saying that the State of Idaho is the one commanding the information be turned over to Mr. Means? Surely the State wouldn't do such shoddy writing, or are they simply copy/pasting Mr. Means demands? I'm confused... o_O
I was a bit confused too but I think it is a subpoena from Mr. Means via the State of Idaho courts to Google. The court clerk signs it so Google know that it is a genuine court subpoena and Mr. Means probably paid a court fee for the subpoena. MOO.

So altogether there are 5 subpoenas :-

Google
U.S.Bank
Southwest Airlines
Idaho Attorney General/Fremont County
Madison County

Have I got that right?
 
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In the video of the cop walkthrough of the house. They checked to see if CV had a wallet on him and couldn't find it.
Sorry, still catching up, so may have been answered. Kay said both the phone and the wallet belonging to CV were recovered. MOO, since I have no way to prove except that she directly replied to me and told me so, on a different sm site.
 
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Sorry, still catching up, so may have been answered. Kay said both the phone and the wallet belonging to CV were recovered. MOO, since I have no way to prove except that she directly replied to me and told me so, on a different sm site.
Were you told the wallet and phone were recovered from Charles at the scene? Or from someone else? And if from someone else - at the scene, or subsequently?
 
Were you told the wallet and phone were recovered from Charles at the scene? Or from someone else? And if from someone else - at the scene, or subsequently?
I asked her (in regards to the crime scene on the day CV was killed) "do you know if LE ever recovered Charles' wallet or phone? Or if they searched the rental vehicle for them?" Her reply was "yes and yes"
 
I was a bit confused too but I think it is a subpoena from Mr. Means via the State of Idaho courts to Google. The court clerk signs it so Google know that it is a genuine court subpoena and Mr. Means probably paid a court fee for the subpoena. MOO.

So altogether there are 5 subpoenas :-

Google
U.S.Bank
Southwest Airlines
Idaho Attorney General/Fremont County
Madison County

Have I got that right?
Compare this latest batch of 'subpoenas' from Mr. Means/State of Idaho:

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with the official subpoenas from the State of Idaho back in February in regards to Lori Vallow:

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

While they closely resemble each other there are distinct differences. Such as:

  • Letterhead. Mr. Means' includes all of his contact information prominently at the top.
  • Line numbering. Present throughout Mr. Means' but not in the State one.
  • Plaintiff vs. Defendant section. The official State one is completely boxed in, whereas Mr. Means is missing the top line. Furthermore, Mr. Means has both the Plaintiff and Defendant in all caps, but the State doesn't.
  • Subpoena Duces Tecum. Mr. Means has the recipient of the subpoena listed directly under this line in parentheses, such as: (Fremont County Prosecutor), but the official State subpoena doesn't do this.
  • State of Idaho to: ... In the official subpoena this line is aligned to the left side of the page, whereas in Mr. Means' it's center aligned. Furthermore Mr. Means has it underlined when it isn't in the official subpoenas.
  • You are HEREBY commanded. Mr. Means' document includes the word 'hereby', whereas this word is absent in the official subpoenas.
  • Line spacing. In the official documents it appears everything is single spaced, whereas in Mr. Means' documents the body of the text is double spaced.
  • STATE OF IDAHO: <RECIPIENT>. At the start of the second paragraph Mr. Means' documents use this phrase, but it is nowhere found in the official subpoenas. Indeed this line would be redundant as this information is already found at the top of the documents.
  • "Lori Norene Daybell." The State subpoena lists Lori by this name, whereas in Mr. Means' documents she is referred to as "Mrs. Lori (Daybell) Vallow."
  • D.O.B. The official subpoenas list relevant dates of birth in numerical format, such as MM/DD/YYYY but in Mr. Means'documents it is spelled out, e.g. "August 17, 1956 (8/17/56)".
  • Bolded text. In the State's documents the only text that is bolded is important information such as deadline dates and addresses to appear. This isn't the case in Mr. Means' documents and instead he highlights other things.
  • Proofreading. Mr. Means' documents are riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes and doesn't appear very professional. The State's documents are up to a much higher standard.
  • First person perspective. Mr. Means' subpoena is written from a first person perspective, i.e. "we seek the following records" vs. the State subpoenas which use a third person perspective - "Magistrate Court," "Magistrate Judge," "Prosecuting Attorney," etc.
  • List format. Mr. Means' documents use an alpha-numeric list for all items they are seeking in the subpoena, whereas the State subpoena simply lists everything they are seeking within the body of the text itself.
  • Highlighting. Mr. Means'documents use italics and underlining to highlight some portions of his document, whereas the State only employs the use of bolded font.
  • Laundry list. Mr. Means' documents contain a laundry list of information they are seeking/requesting, as if they are throwing out a wide and broad net seeing what they can catch or get ahold of, whereas the State simply and succinctly details what they are looking for.
  • Footnotes. Mr. Means' subpoenas make use of footnotes to further expound on certain things, but this is never done in the official State subpoenas.
  • Threats. The State makes no threats upon the recipient, but in the last paragraph of Mr. Means' documents the recipient is clearly threatened with contempt of court and financial reparations for any and all damages "the party" may sustain from failure to comply with the subpoena.
  • Kim H. Muir, Madison County Clerk. This section is notably missing from Mr. Means' documents.
  • Deputy vs. Clerk. All the documents are signed by one "Angie Wood" but in Mr. Means' documents she is listed as a "Clerk of Court" whereas in the State subpoena she is listed as a "Deputy."
Those are the major differences I've spotted. But yet Mr. Means' subpoenas sound like they are written in such a way as coming from the State of Idaho and not his law office. If it is from him and/or his law office then it seems in incredibly poor taste to use the name of the State in the ways he has done. And if it's from the State it is written so poorly as to sound like it's coming from him and/or his law office. JMO.
 
Lori can't get a break, and what in the H is her attorney doing??

Lori and Means, from about 1:06 to 10:22. Very good explanation of the subpoenas IMHO. And starting with a bit of humor at Lori's expense!

That answers our question. Means is not entitled to discovery if it relates to an ongoing investigation.
 
From some of the larger FB groups about Lori and this case, I’ve seen a handful of people today, after the news spread about these subpoenas, say that they think it’s possible that LV will Show the children are actually alive in the hearing on the 24th. They’ve said they believe this more now because her attorney seems much more focused on defending her from other charges that haven’t even been filed yet, rather than defending her with the current charges. Personally I don’t believe that, but I did think it was an interesting line of thinking to share / maybe discuss. ETA - I don’t think this scenario is likely because I don’t think LV would put herself through all that has happened so far only to surprise everyone by showing the kids are alive & fine many months later.
 
From some of the larger FB groups about Lori and this case, I’ve seen a handful of people today, after the news spread about these subpoenas, say that they think it’s possible that LV will Show the children are actually alive in the hearing on the 24th. They’ve said they believe this more now because her attorney seems much more focused on defending her from other charges that haven’t even been filed yet, rather than defending her with the current charges. Personally I don’t believe that, but I did think it was an interesting line of thinking to share / maybe discuss. ETA - I don’t think this scenario is likely because I don’t think LV would put herself through all that has happened so far only to surprise everyone by showing the kids are alive & fine many months later.
Yeah, Lori hates jail enough, she would have brought them out of hiding long ago. She was in ID as a free person only 2+ months, now matching that in jail time. I think Means' strategy is flak and balloons. The AG is going to mow him down like spring grass.
 
From some of the larger FB groups about Lori and this case, I’ve seen a handful of people today, after the news spread about these subpoenas, say that they think it’s possible that LV will Show the children are actually alive in the hearing on the 24th. They’ve said they believe this more now because her attorney seems much more focused on defending her from other charges that haven’t even been filed yet, rather than defending her with the current charges. Personally I don’t believe that, but I did think it was an interesting line of thinking to share / maybe discuss. ETA - I don’t think this scenario is likely because I don’t think LV would put herself through all that has happened so far only to surprise everyone by showing the kids are alive & fine many months later.
Yea, I got sucked onto social media today some interesting stuff out there but I did not come across that theory. I wish with all my heart that the kids will be produced but I agree she would not put herself through all of this if they were safe and alive. I think her attorney is in over his head but I don't know what he does. I think he is anticipating more charges and jumped the gun, just a guess. I thought today for sure there would be another arrest and more charges against Lori. Wishful thinking, it's frustrating when a case slows. Jmo
 
Yeah, Lori hates jail enough, she would have brought them out of hiding long ago. She was in ID as a free person only 2+ months, now matching that in jail time. I think Means' strategy is flak and balloons. The AG is going to mow him down like spring grass.
I've been trying to think like Lori and wonder the following - Is she via Mark Means flagging places that she has set up Charles or Alex to support her narrative. Eg credit card purchases, google search and emails she wrote purporting to be from Charles, she might know that Tammy's autopsy or death investigation could point to Alex... I think she knows she has planted things here and there to make herself look innocent and Charles look violent, Alex look guilty etc. Maybe she is frustrated that LE don't seem to be taking the bait so she is flagging them via subpoenas. I'm glad to hear that attorney does not think Mark Means has a chance of getting them.
 
JMO
I agree.

I think it was a huge setup. I think Charles was ambushed the moment he walked in to a pre-planned spot. Lori's job was to welcome him in, act all happy, and make sure he felt comfortable enough to follow her to a pre-arranged spot where Ax was waiting with a gun.

If there is any truth to her taking his phone then that could have been the way she forced him to follow her. She may have grabbed his phone and took off running to where Ax was waiting for them. That could have been their plan to make it look like an argument/self defense to the kids.

Whatever her plan was to keep the children from seeing/understanding what was going down, it failed miserably. Thus the children are not alive anymore either.

The whole situation is weird! The cops automatically believed that is was self defense before even getting to the scene. There was no strong commands upon arrival or urgency in the LEO's tone when questioning Alex. They let him dance around questions and even quickly re-worded or skipped questions when Alex couldn't clearly answer. It's like they expected this to happen!!!
They literally treat Alex like a victim even though there is a dead man inside, who had no weapon, yet was shot multiple times!!
 
I've been trying to think like Lori and wonder the following - Is she via Mark Means flagging places that she has set up Charles or Alex to support her narrative. Eg credit card purchases, google search and emails she wrote purporting to be from Charles, she might know that Tammy's autopsy or death investigation could point to Alex... I think she knows she has planted things here and there to make herself look innocent and Charles look violent, Alex look guilty etc. Maybe she is frustrated that LE don't seem to be taking the bait so she is flagging them via subpoenas. I'm glad to hear that attorney does not think Mark Means has a chance of getting them.

I think her lawyer is trying to see what her and CD were too stupid to hide, or just didn't think they would be caught, so they can see what could be held against her so that they can start working on her "excuses".
 
AC: and then he's, he's coming back at me and he's still got the bat and I'm like 'what are you doing?'
O: And where are you at?
AC: we're in the living room, and then I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with the bat. So I went to my room and got my gun, cause I always carry it,
[...]
AC: I just went back in the living room I went 'what is your problem?'
O: With the gun in your hand
AC: Yes! And I said I want you to put that bat down and he wouldn't do it, he was like, and he came at me with the bat again, after he'd already hit me in the head, so I shot him to stop him.
O: Okay then what happened?
AC: That was it.

Just clipping this down to the core of his story.

If there is a police officer anywhere who believes Alex is telling the truth here, they are in the wrong job.

He has made the liar's classic mistake of forgetting to choreograph Charles' movements in his story. Charles hits him with the bat. Continuing in the same tone, he gives no description of the moment of injury, almost as if it didn't happen. Raging Charles who put Alex in fear for his life stays where he is, simply freezing long enough for Alex to leave the room, and get his gun. Alex returns with gun in hand and Charles just springs back to life, going at Alex again even though he can see he now has a gun.

He also waits to tell the officer Charles hit him until he's been questioned for many minutes, as if he hasn't quite worked out how to say it convincingly. That suggests to me nerves about the big lie.

moo

Not to mention, wasn't his gun locked in a plastic case, if I recall correctly?

That's why I didn't buy this story the first time I heard it.

First of all, we've got CV who was a semi-professional baseball player, if he was mad enough to swing a bat at AxC he would have caved in half of his head, not gave him a little ouchie.

Secondly, as has been previously stated, we've got 3 different versions of the "bat story", not all 3 of these can be true. In fact, they are all probably lies/

Finally, If CV was that pissed, why wasn't he chasing AxC. CV is a big guy. I'm a small guy, and if I was pissed off at AxC, I'd be doing some serious damage to him, he'd be lucky to even get to his gun. I guarantee he'd have more than just a little scratch on his head, and I don't even play baseball.

When I was a hot-headed teenager, I took a bat and swung it at a solid oak dresser, and took a big chunk out of it, imagine what that would do to the human body.

So. all AxC ends up with is a little bump on the head. No bruises, no bumps. Evidently CV only hit him once? Really? Have you ever been pissed off at someone enough to attack them, and you restrain yourself to only hit them once?

Another question, is if they were tussling around, where was all of the bumps and bruises? One thing I do have experience with is wrestling. There is a reason that wrestlers use mats. From the video we can see that the house had a wood floor. There should have been bruises, possible bumps, and floor burn if they were tussling on the floor as LVD was claiming.

I think what happened is that they murdered CV, then AxC told either LVD to hit him in the back of the head, so it looks legit. How many times have we seen movies, where the guy tells someone to shoot him in the leg, so that they can escape. The only thing is, this ain't the movies.

AxC is wearing shorts and a t-shirt. If he'd been tussling with AxC on the floor, his shins would have bruises and floor burns at the very least. From what I can tell, it doesn't look like that is the case at all. You can't tussle with someone as big as CV and avoid this being the case, especially if this is a serious fight as has been claimed. Complete BS story.

They need to nail LVD to the wall for this, there is no doubt that CV was murdered in cold blood, and premeditated at that.

MOO
 
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No evidence of foul play regarding the children that we know of, but the talk of Yellowstone does make me think they think it's going to be a body search. I don't know why they would do that if they thought Tylee was alive. And police don't seem to be doing anything to raise awareness of the missing children if they think they are alive - not leaving it to Annie, Kay and Larry to put up billboards. I don't know if that's normal or not, it just doesn't feel like an active search for live children.

Brandon's case seems to have gone quiet too. Surely the video of the storage facility (tire and seat storage) has Lori and Chad up to their necks in that.

moo

About Kay and Larry, they are more level headed than I would be in their shoes.

If I was in their shoes, let's just say LVD and CD would not be liking the results.

It would involve black ops, kidnapping, waterboarding, listening to Justin Bieber on loop.... :D

MOO
 
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Lori can't get a break, and what in the H is her attorney doing??

Lori and Means, from about 1:06 to 10:22. Very good explanation of the subpoenas IMHO. And starting with a bit of humor at Lori's expense!

I can't get sound on that video. I wonder if YT had an issue with content or if it's just a technical thing he can fix later.
 
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