Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

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JosefZ said:
Sugar City is closer to CD’s house. I know because I drove by CD’s house last week after running an errand in Idaho Falls. BTW, I’m dying for an excuse to buy a cake from Rexburg Cakes. If you type CD’s address into Google Maps it shows Rexburg Cakes as being across the street. If you look her up on Facebook the cakes look amazing. Either way, I will be driving by his place again next week. Hoping to see signs of life. MOO
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Her cakes ARE amazing!
 
CSIDreamer said:
If I remember, PO boxes are cheaper in Sugar City than Rexburg.

There was also speculation they could have used it as some weird drop point for Chad to get items.

Jmo
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The second point makes sense. There was a Mailboxes'R'Us near our local university that married profs used to set up assignations with individuals other than their spouses. It was so notorious that it used to be staked out by PI's.
 
Anonymous91 said:
Not to mention, wasn't his gun locked in a plastic case, if I recall correctly?

That's why I didn't buy this story the first time I heard it.

First of all, we've got CV who was a semi-professional baseball player, if he was mad enough to swing a bat at AxC he would have caved in half of his head, not gave him a little ouchie.

Secondly, as has been previously stated, we've got 3 different versions of the "bat story", not all 3 of these can be true. In fact, they are all probably lies/

Finally, If CV was that pissed, why wasn't he chasing AxC. CV is a big guy. I'm a small guy, and if I was pissed off at AxC, I'd be doing some serious damage to him, he'd be lucky to even get to his gun. I guarantee he'd have more than just a little scratch on his head, and I don't even play baseball.

When I was a hot-headed teenager, I took a bat and swung it at a solid oak dresser, and took a big chunk out of it, imagine what that would do to the human body.

So. all AxC ends up with is a little bump on the head. No bruises, no bumps. Evidently CV only hit him once? Really? Have you ever been pissed off at someone enough to attack them, and you restrain yourself to only hit them once?

Another question, is if they were tussling around, where was all of the bumps and bruises? One thing I do have experience with is wrestling. There is a reason that wrestlers use mats. From the video we can see that the house had a wood floor. There should have been bruises, possible bumps, and floor burn if they were tussling on the floor as LVD was claiming.

I think what happened is that they murdered CV, then AxC told either LVD to hit him in the back of the head, so it looks legit. How many times have we seen movies, where the guy tells someone to shoot him in the leg, so that they can escape. The only thing is, this ain't the movies.

AxC is wearing shorts and a t-shirt. If he'd been tussling with AxC on the floor, his shins would have bruises and floor burns at the very least. From what I can tell, it doesn't look like that is the case at all. You can't tussle with someone as big as CV and avoid this being the case, especially if this is a serious fight as has been claimed. Complete BS story.

They need to nail LVD to the wall for this, there is no doubt that CV was murdered in cold blood, and premeditated at that.

MOO
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He's also got sunglasses on his head. Did he get them when he went to get the gun? Because they would not have stayed on his head when someone hit it with a bat or they were rolling about on the floor.
 
MTW2011 said:
From some of the larger FB groups about Lori and this case, I’ve seen a handful of people today, after the news spread about these subpoenas, say that they think it’s possible that LV will Show the children are actually alive in the hearing on the 24th. They’ve said they believe this more now because her attorney seems much more focused on defending her from other charges that haven’t even been filed yet, rather than defending her with the current charges. Personally I don’t believe that, but I did think it was an interesting line of thinking to share / maybe discuss. ETA - I don’t think this scenario is likely because I don’t think LV would put herself through all that has happened so far only to surprise everyone by showing the kids are alive & fine many months later.
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I think the lawyer is using the subpoenas as an excuse to get her bail down so they will use that and the coronavirus issue to get her out of jail and have her at her secret location house to be able to address those investigation issues and work on her defence. MOO.
 
Onsdag said:
This is the combined footage (911 audio synced with two officers body cams) as found on Gray Hughes' channel - for just the first officers camera skip to 21:30:


You never see the officer actually check for a wallet on Charles, but he does look for it in the house.
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Anyone notice where the bat is at, in regards to CV's arms. What did he do throw the bat behind him, after he was shot?

Look at video starting at around 22:00

First of all, there is no death grip on the bat, as one would suspect, if he was in a rage as was claimed by AxC. Secondly, even if the bat came out of his hands after he had been shot, it would have rolled out of his hands, and would not be where the bat actually is.

Question I am curious about though, is how CV was shot from the front? My guess, is that he was ambushed and was shot before he even knew that there was a gun. My natural instinct would be to run if someone is trying to shoot me, therefore my back would be to the gun.

One could speculate that LVD may have been the one holding the bat to intimidate and get CV attention, then AxC whipped out the gun, and shot CV who was focused on LVD with the bat. This is just a wild guess of how this might have went down.

What we do know that there was at least 4 shots, sounds like they definitely wanted him dead.

CV was definitely not expecting to get shot that day either.

MOO
 
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Onsdag said:
This is the combined footage (911 audio synced with two officers body cams) as found on Gray Hughes' channel - for just the first officers camera skip to 21:30:


You never see the officer actually check for a wallet on Charles, but he does look for it in the house.
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Lots of interesting things in that 9-1-1 call and the body cam footage.

When an officer interrupts 9-1-1 dispatcher's CPR instructions to quickly ask a few questions, he asks "who lives there" and AxC responds "my sister and my niece" and then subsequently interjects - like an afterthought - "and my nephew." Later, when the officer repeats, "your sister and your niece," AxC doesn't add "and my nephew." It's like JJ is not one of the family as far as AxC is concerned.

When dispatcher asks AxC whether he has performed CPR, he says no. She instructs him how to do it and you can hear what may sound like him following her instructions, but then he stops immediately when the dispatcher or on-phone officer asks questions. Has to be asked to continue doing them after the on-phone officer finishes his questions.

When the on-phone officer asked AxC to spell Charles's name, AxC spells it "V-A-L-L-O."

AxC tells the on-phone officer that the shooting happened 5 minutes before he called and that he was the only one there when it happened. Later, after questioning at the curb by an officer, AxC says the shooting happened about twenty minutes prior to that moment in the questioning, so he is consistently saying that a very short time period passed between the shooting and the 9-1-1 call and that AxC and CV were the only persons present at the time. Lori and Tylee arrive not long after AxC says that, so it would seem it had to have been much longer to allow for time for them to drive JJ to school, walk JJ inside school, and then return to the scene. (When Lori reported her purse and phone taken by Charles back in January 2019, she told police that happened while she was walking JJ into school, so she doesn't just drop him off, she walks him in.)

When asked if CV was armed too, AC says CV was armed with a bat and then when asked if they'd been doing any drugs or alcohol, AxC says he has never seen CV that enraged (setting up "CV out of control enraged and swinging a bat" self-defense angle). If CV were enraged and swinging a bat, I'd expect A LOT more injury to AxC.

AxC says the bat is Tylee's and that she had emerged from her bedroom with it earlier and poked CV when she thought he was becoming or threatening to become too physical with LV. AxC says CV had disarmed TR and that is how he got the bat. So, CV arrives defenseless. CV does not arrive with a weapon; AxC has CV acquiring the weapon at the scene (further setting up the "CV out of control enraged and swinging a bat" self-defense angle).

Think about this: CV arrives to take JJ to school. CV arrives defenseless - he is not carrying a gun or other weapon and he comes in through the front door; he does not do a surprise arrival or lie in wait or anything like that. On the other hand, LV has three weapons readily available at the scene - Alex, her brother who stays overnight so he is there when CV arrives, Alex's gun, and Tylee's bat. All three are employed in taking down CV. The only evidence of CV utilizing any weapon is the testimony of the man who shot him. Multiple times. AFTER leaving CV alone as AxC retrieved his gun from another room, where his phone was and where he could have called 9-1-1 and reported that he was endangered BEFORE he shot CV. (Keep in mind while reading this paragraph that Lori believes CV has $1 million in life insurance listing her as beneficiary and calls to claim it within a week of his death.)

As others have mentioned, AxC doesn't account for what CV is doing (standing there, whistling a tune, twiddling his thumbs) as AxC goes to the bedroom for his gun. That bedroom door is very close to where CV's feet are as his dead body later lies there. The blinds in that bedroom are completely shut and the room is fairly dark. There is no bed frame or other furniture; a single small mattress lies on the floor in a corner and clothing and other items are messily strewn about.

The head of CV's body is not lying very far from the front door inside the house. Feet are facing opening to kitchen (with adjacent hallway opening at 90 degrees from the kitchen opening).

It appears there are two openings to the living room - one near CV's feet is a hallway leading to secondary bedrooms and second, closer to front door, leading to master bedroom suite. With hallway entrances at either end, it would be very easy to have a person from behind disable CV after he walked in to the room from the front door while a person from on the other side, facing him, attacks or shoots him.

The living room where CV's body lies is completely empty of furnishings. It has hardwood floors and large mirrors attached (floor to midway up) to each of the walls encircling room, except the wall of windows opposite the wall adjacent to where CV lies. Except that it lacks ballet barres, it is set up like a dance studio.

One of the things that really struck me as I watched the body cam footage of the officer who walked through the scene is that I would expect a LOT of blood from at least 4 shots from a 45 handgun shot at someone's chest and upper shoulder at close range. I'd expect blood spill and splatter to be ALL OVER the place (walls, floor, those mirrors, especially the adjacent one, that black and white tile floor at the front door), but it doesn't appear that is the case and the officers are all walking through the scene as though they are not having to be careful to avoid such blood spill and splatter. Where is the blood? It's almost like CV could not have been shot where his body lie, or if he was, the scene was very much cleaned up.

Was Alex's clothing checked for blood splatter? Lori's? Tylee's? I'd expect splatter to be on the shooter's clothing, particularly given that at least 4 shots were fired. If not, where are the clothes that were worn by the person who did the shooting? Did Lori and Tylee leave wearing the same clothes they were wearing when they arrived back at the house after the police arrived?

Lori and Tylee's behavior does not comport with that of family members learning one of them (even if estranged) has died. Lori is at ease, readily smiling, and even giggly at times (like when she tells the officer interviewing her that they moved in only 3 weeks before, she giggles and says, "Hi neighbor! Sorry." like this is all a big joke and a bit embarrassing). Tylee appears nervous and guarded, but not shocked. Her arms are crossed in front of her as she waits. When questioned by the officer, she still keeps one arm crossed in front of her. It is unclear HOW Lori and Tylee learned Charles was dead, given that AxC said they left in CV's rental car BEFORE the shooting occurred. (Others have mentioned that their stories do not align with AxC's about when they left relative to the shooting, but their statements about that timing do not appear in this video. As others have mentioned, it is curious how LV managed to get CV's rental car keys if CV was still alive when she left.)

A neighbor approaches the officer as the officer is questioning AxC. He asks if he can help (and appears eager to do so). The officer says, "Nah, nah, just go back. I appreciate it, sir." The neighbor continues to linger around; he can be seen standing and walking back and forth on the sidewalk in front of the house by another officer's body cam as that officer who had been inside comes out of the house. I would be very interested in what that neighbor had to say about what he observed and heard and how his memory of events compared to that of AxC, Lori, and Tylee. He seemed eager to contribute, as though he didn't think officers were hearing everything they should by interviewing the family.

ETA reference to life insurance winnings... er, policy.
 
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Diddian said:
Lots of interesting things in that 9-1-1 call and the body cam footage.

When an officer interrupts 9-1-1 dispatcher's CPR instructions to quickly ask a few questions, he asks "who lives there" and AxC responds "my sister and my niece" and then subsequently interjects - like an afterthought - "and my nephew." Later, when the officer repeats, "your sister and your niece," AxC doesn't add "and my nephew." It's like JJ is not one of the family as far as AxC is concerned.

When dispatcher asks AxC whether he has performed CPR, he says no. She instructs him how to do it and you can hear what may sound like him following her instructions, but then he stops immediately when the dispatcher or on-phone officer asks questions. Has to be asked to continue doing them after the on-phone officer finishes his questions.

When the on-phone officer asked AxC to spell Charles's name, AxC spells it "V-A-L-L-O."

AxC tells the on-phone officer that the shooting happened 5 minutes before he called and that he was the only one there when it happened. Later, after questioning at the curb by an officer, AxC says the shooting happened about twenty minutes prior to that moment in the questioning, so he is consistently saying that a very short time period passed between the shooting and the 9-1-1 call and that AxC and CV were the only persons present at the time. Lori and Tylee arrive not long after AxC says that, so it would seem it had to have been much longer to allow for time for them to drive JJ to school, walk JJ inside school, and then return to the scene. (When Lori reported her purse and phone taken by Charles back in January 2019, she told police that happened while she was walking JJ into school, so she doesn't just drop him off, she walks him in.)

When asked if CV was armed too, AC says CV was armed with a bat and then when asked if they'd been doing any drugs or alcohol, AxC says he has never seen CV that enraged (setting up "CV out of control enraged and swinging a bat" self-defense angle). If CV were enraged and swinging a bat, I'd expect A LOT more injury to AxC.

AxC says the bat is Tylee's and that she had emerged from her bedroom with it earlier and poked CV when she thought he was becoming or threatening to become too physical with LV. AxC says CV had disarmed TR and that is how he got the bat. So, CV arrives defenseless. CV does not arrive with a weapon; AxC has CV acquiring the weapon at the scene (further setting up the "CV out of control enraged and swinging a bat" self-defense angle).

Think about this: CV arrives to take JJ to school. CV arrives defenseless - he is not carrying a gun or other weapon and he comes in through the front door; he does not do a surprise arrival or lie in wait or anything like that. On the other hand, LV has three weapons readily available at the scene - Alex, her brother who stays overnight so he is there when CV arrives, Alex's gun, and Tylee's bat. All three are employed in taking down CV. The only evidence of CV utilizing any weapon is the testimony of the man who shot him. Multiple times. AFTER leaving CV alone as AxC retrieved his gun from another room, where his phone was and where he could have called 9-1-1 and reported that he was endangered BEFORE he shot CV.

As others have mentioned, AxC doesn't account for what CV is doing (standing there, whistling a tune, twiddling his thumbs) as AxC goes to the bedroom for his gun. That bedroom door is very close to where CV's feet are as his dead body later lies there. The blinds in that bedroom are completely shut and the room is fairly dark. There is no bed frame or other furniture; a single small mattress lies on the floor in a corner and clothing and other items are messily strewn about.

The head of CV's body is not lying very far from the front door inside the house. Feet are facing opening to kitchen (with adjacent hallway opening at 90 degrees from the kitchen opening).

It appears there are two openings to the living room - one near CV's feet is a hallway leading to secondary bedrooms and second, closer to front door, leading to master bedroom suite. With hallway entrances at either end, it would be very easy to have a person from behind disable CV after he walked in to the room from the front door while a person from on the other side, facing him, attacks or shoots him.

The living room where CV's body lies is completely empty of furnishings. It has hardwood floors and large mirrors attached (floor to midway up) to each of the walls encircling room, except the wall of windows opposite the wall adjacent to where CV lies. Except that it lacks ballet barres, it is set up like a dance studio.

One of the things that really struck me as I watched the body cam footage of the officer who walked through the scene is that I would expect a LOT of blood from at least 4 shots from a 45 handgun shot at someone's chest and upper shoulder at close range. I'd expect blood spill and splatter to be ALL OVER the place (walls, floor, those mirrors, especially the adjacent one, that black and white tile floor at the front door), but it doesn't appear that is the case and the officers are all walking through the scene as though they are not having to be careful to avoid such blood spill and splatter. Where is the blood? It's almost like CV could not have been shot where his body lie, or if he was, the scene was very much cleaned up.

Was Alex's clothing checked for blood splatter? Lori's? Tylee's? I'd expect splatter to be on the shooter's clothing, particularly given that at least 4 shots were fired. If not, where are the clothes that were worn by the person who did the shooting? Did Lori and Tylee leave wearing the same clothes they were wearing when they arrived back at the house after the police arrived?

Lori and Tylee's behavior does not comport with that of family members learning one of them (even if estranged) has died. Lori is at ease, readily smiling, and even giggly at times (like when she tells the officer interviewing her that they moved in only 3 weeks before, she giggles and says, "Hi neighbor! Sorry." like this is all a big joke and a bit embarrassing). Tylee appears nervous and guarded, but not shocked. Her arms are crossed in front of her as she waits. When questioned by the officer, she still keeps one arm crossed in front of her. It is unclear HOW Lori and Tylee learned Charles was dead, given that AxC said they left in CV's rental car BEFORE the shooting occurred. (Others have mentioned that their stories do not align with AxC's about when they left relative to the shooting, but their statements about that timing do not appear in this video. As others have mentioned, it is curious how LV managed to get CV's rental car keys if CV was still alive when she left.)

A neighbor approaches the officer as the officer is questioning AxC. He asks if he can help (and appears eager to do so). The officer says, "Nah, nah, just go back. I appreciate it, sir." The neighbor continues to linger around; he can be seen standing and walking back and forth on the sidewalk in front of the house by another officer's body cam as that officer who had been inside comes out of the house. I would be very interested in what that neighbor had to say about what he observed and heard and how his memory of events compared to that of AxC, Lori, and Tylee. He seemed eager to contribute, as though he didn't think officers were hearing everything they should by interviewing the family.
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I wonder if that neighbor was ever interviewed. Wild guess, nah.

Regarding Tylee and the arm crossing. I've honestly wondered if she was skedaddled out of there in what she slept in. Hence, no bra. Jmo
 
If they really have been hiding them all this time, then these are the most well prepared kids for quarantine. I don't believe they are alive. What's the point of her sitting in jail if she could actually prove they are alive and well? Those poor kids are gone.
Is there a separate thread for Tammy?
 
Diddian said:
As others have mentioned, it is curious how LV managed to get CV's rental car keys if CV was still alive when she left.
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RSBM

Great observations, thank you.

On the one point I snipped out, in an earlier thread I asked the same question about the rental car keys because I was picturing Lori going through CV's pockets as he lay on the ground dead or dying. I was pretty convinced by another Web Sleuther that CV would have had the car running because it is Phoenix in July and he either had JJ in the car or expected to put JJ in the car momentarily. It hit 114 degrees that day so even at 8am it would be too hot to leave a child in a car without the A/C on. MOO
 
CSIDreamer said:
I wonder if that neighbor was ever interviewed. Wild guess, nah.
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Other wild guesses about the investigation:

Did they test anyone for gunpowder residue? Nah.
Did they check the bat for fingerprints? Nah.
Did they check the gun for fingerprints? Nah.
Did they sample the blood in the sink to find out whose blood it was? Nah.
Did they bring AxC, LV, and TR into the house separately and have them walk detectives through what happened where and when? Nah.
Did they trace bullet trajectories? Nah.

Did LE on scene start cleaning up the blood before detectives showed up? Heck yeah.

MOO
 
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