Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

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Good point. Phoenix is much hotter than where I am in the Pacific Northwest.

So, CV leaves the car running and puts either the dog or JJ in the car first and then goes back inside to get the other one of the two. IMO, having already half-loaded the car, or at least having left it idling with the AC running, he's obviously planning on getting JJ off to school. Seems most unlikely CV - with no prior history of physical abuse or violence against others - would decide THAT is the time to enter an argument, much less a physical fight, inside Lori's home with her dangerous brother present while either the dog or JJ is sitting outside in a running car in the heat.

It does, however, seem like a ripe time for such an event on behalf of LV for AxC - who: (1) has a prior conviction relating to violence against one of Lori's estranged husbands, (2) cares so much about JJ that he neglects to mention JJ as a resident of the home when talking to police, and (3) likely knows all about the $1 million life insurance proceeds payout Lori would expect as an outcome from such an event.
Lori said he left his phone in the house and he came back in to get it and she had it so he wanted it back. She wouldn't give it back apparently. This is in her later statement at the police station.
 
What did use for a background? My wife zoomed and it was great looking at the various backgrounds people choose, and then her brother’s partner walks in during the conversation and she is partially cut in half. Good stuff. Moo
HA! One son started it off with a background of the Golden Gate bridge, though he was 750 miles away or so. Then my IT son put up a giant Corona Virus next to himself. A daughter plugged in a beach scene. I wasnt fully logged in and it wouldnt let me pick any backgrounds, but we have a great view, so I picked up the laptop and I could see the reflection in the monitor and gave myself a selfy video of it as I spoke, ha ha.

Also, yeah, those backgrounds made the person look like they got their hair chopped funny. I'm sure they will improve on that! But we did get a lot of laughs.
 
This is part of the Wisconsin double murder case prelim hearing on zoom

In our zoom meeting, whenever someone spoke, it enlarged their video and minimized the others. A bit annoying as peeps talked over each other. Looks like there is a setting to keep them all the same size, but did notice it did turn the page when someone spoke as there wasn't enough room on the monitor for all the little videos.
 
Actually, it appears Lori was not giving the medicine to him all YEAR if it hadn't been filled since Jan 2019 and he went missing in Sept 2019. Riisperdone is not a medication you take sporadically. It doesn't work that way.
Feb 15th divorce petition - Charles says "JJ also needs his medication daily. After Mother took the medication with her, Father had to go and buy more, which was difficult since Mother had drained the parties' bank accounts". . .

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
 
Feb 15th divorce petition - Charles says "JJ also needs his medication daily. After Mother took the medication with her, Father had to go and buy more, which was difficult since Mother had drained the parties' bank accounts". . .

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Right. And Charles had custody of JJ for the 58 days Lori had gone walkabout to Hawaii and her brother's place and he and JJ's time in Houston before the reunion with Lori and Tylee. So there must have been a bunch of it around that wasn't found by the Rexburg detective who filled out the abandonment charges. Which raises the questions: since overdoses can be fatal, is this what Chad killed Tammy with?
Would it show up in an autopsy?
 
Right. And Charles had custody of JJ for the 58 days Lori had gone walkabout to Hawaii and her brother's place and he and JJ's time in Houston before the reunion with Lori and Tylee. So there must have been a bunch of it around that wasn't found by the Rexburg detective who filled out the abandonment charges. Which raises the questions: since overdoses can be fatal, is this what Chad killed Tammy with?
Would it show up in an autopsy?

A case of risperidone overdose in early schizophrenia: a review of potential complications.

Not likely that risperdal would be the poison Chad used IMO.

Malachite, the wedding ring stone, is a poison and the link below describes the symptoms that Chad reported Tammy had the night she died.
Malachite poisoning?

ETA Thanks for your observation on the fact that CV had obtained a replacement Rx for JJs risperdal in February, 2019. If it was a 90 day Rx it would have lasted through April. If the Rx LV took with her in February was also a 90 day supply, and it was filled in January, she could have been using that for JJ after CV died. That would account for the risperdal that was found by LE in Rexburg. IMO, CV must have refilled his replacement Rx for JJ in April while Lori was still holding the risperdal she took from him.
 
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And then there's this from BB. Under Spiritual Weapons, malachite is listed as having healing power and as being used as a balm or solution administered by calling on it in a blessing.

IMO, based on the description of malachite poisoning, administration of malachite in a solution is actually poisoning
 
Could you quote what it said? I can't get the link to work. Not disputing, just interested in the details. Do we know the LD50 for malachite?

J Psychiatry Neurosci. 1998 Nov; 23(5): 305–308.

PMCID: PMC1188959
PMID: 9846036
A case of risperidone overdose in early schizophrenia: a review of potential complications.
L C Kopala, C Day, B Dillman, and D Gardner
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Abstract
Deliberate drug overdose is a frequent occurrence in patients with schizophrenia. Typical antipsychotic medications can be lethal at doses 5 times the recommended therapeutic range. Clozapine, an atypical antipsychotic, can be toxic at doses 4 times a moderate dose. Little is known about the lethal effects of the novel antipsychotic risperidone, despite the fact that it is now one of the most widely prescribed antipsychotics in North America. To date, only 1 death attributable to risperidone overdose has been reported. The case presented here documents adverse cardiac effects in a 28-year-old man who intentionally ingested 24 mg of risperidone--4 times the recommended dose. A potential drug interaction with fluvoxamine and the role of active metabolites are discussed.
 
I did watch the video also, and your mention of CIB got me thinking about something that is bothering me. A woman arrives on seen and comes through the tape, the officer asks her about someone by name. She responds that she doesn't know if she's gonna "take it yet", she was given an address and wants to see and walks off. Did the address sound familiar to her? Was she with CIB? Who was she?
I'm guessing the address she was texted was the crime scene. Someone in her department or a supervisor must have sent her a message while she was having "coffee with a cop" and told her to get there. But when she got there she wasn't sure if she'd actually be taking the case or not and that's why she asked "is Lockwood here?" because she needed to confirm with him about the case. Moments later she is seen walking up to the house and speaking with a detective and then they both apparently go inside the house for a few moments before coming back out to hear from the officer who took Alex's statement. Another officer comes to replace this officer and tells him something about the "sergeant" wanting him, so this officer walks over to the house and speaks with the lady, a man wearing a black "Chandler Police Swat" shirt (who I'm guessing is both "Lockwood" and the "sergeant" because this is who the lady was seen walking up to and speaking with earlier, and is also who the officer appears to be directing his attention/report to), and another police officer. The lady is seen wearing a badge on her right hip so she belongs there in some official capacity. I don't know what department or what her role is, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say either an investigator or victims advocate? Because then the sergeant/Lakewood says to the officer "I'm going to take her over to the 'victims assistance area'. Her name is <Williams?>." He then escorts this lady across the street and waves Lori over to come speak with them outside of the crime scene. All speculation and MOO.
 
I noticed that picture of LVD in court, the horizontal thick stripes of the jumpsuit are not flattering on LVD. But, LVD is beginning to look a bit porky. She is definitely gaining weight.

Gasp! She couldn't be preggers?!

She is 47...but who knows? Probably not, just all of that healthy prison food.
 
I noticed that picture of LVD in court, the horizontal thick stripes of the jumpsuit are not flattering on LVD. But, LVD is beginning to look a bit porky. She is definitely gaining weight.

Gasp! She couldn't be preggers?!

She is 47...but who knows? Probably not, just all of that healthy prison food.
She is wearing a bulletproof vest underneath her top.
 
I noticed that picture of LVD in court, the horizontal thick stripes of the jumpsuit are not flattering on LVD. But, LVD is beginning to look a bit porky. She is definitely gaining weight.

Gasp! She couldn't be preggers?!

She is 47...but who knows? Probably not, just all of that healthy prison food.

She was wearing a bulletproof vest under the jumpsuit.
 
Lori said he left his phone in the house and he came back in to get it and she had it so he wanted it back. She wouldn't give it back apparently. This is in her later statement at the police station.

Thank you. After I posted, I found LV's and TR's testimony in the timeline, so I am now more caught up (and outraged). I came in late to this case and kept reading others referring to it, but hadn't found anything but references to it until I finally went back through the detailed timeline. Sorry to all for the not-fully-informed side trip!
 
Is it known that "Nah" is the answer to those questions?

Watching and listening to the body cam video/audio of the police interview of Alex as well as that of the officer walking through the home and speaking from time to time to other officers, my impression was that they were not buying the story Alex was telling or the manner in which he was telling it and they were not pleased with all that had already happened in terms of the scene getting away from them (LV and TR leaving in the middle of events leading to the shooting, AxC shooting rather than calling police, AxC taking his time calling and not administering CPR, LV attempting to interrupt the questioning of AxC, and the presence of a minor child at the scene - TR).

From what I observed on the video, it seems they quickly declared the scene a crime scene, taped it off, and were keeping others out. One officer mentioned that CIV or CIB (Criminal Investigations Bureau?) was on its way. One of the officers inside could see CV was gone and the EMT's administering CPR were not succeeding in attempts to revive him and declared, "Bag him" as though he'd been long gone. And more than one officer mentioned the multiple shots used to kill Charles. And the officers didn't seem to be mentioning the number of shots offhandedly, their manner seemed to imply it was "overkill." None of the officers seemed willing to simply take AxC's or LV's statement about who the victim was at face value; they were actively looking for independent verification (CV's ID and his wallet which likely contained it).

So, at least early signs were that they recognized there was something much more serious than they were being told and they were attempting to protect the scene, presumably to gather evidence from it.

Does anyone know how long the officers processed the scene before turning it back over to LV?
I hope I am wrong about Chandler LE. Following this case for months it was easy to be prejudiced against them as MSM reports originally said LE showed up, interviewed AxC and Lori, declared it self defense and closed the case while Lori had a pool party.

Released body cam footage together with the Dateline interview with Chandler detectives shows Chandler PD did a lot more than was in the news in July. Thank you for reminding me to keep an open mind.

Regarding the timing for LE to release the house back to Lori, we know Lori, Tylee, and Alex were together because we have a quote (Dateline? I forget the source) from the officer who drove the 3 of them home. We know Tylee is being interviewed at 10:14 a.m. at CPD (Gardener's timeline). At "midday" Lori called CR and told him CV died of a heart attack. My guess is Tylee's interview runs past 10:30 then LE take a little time to organize a van and driver, check with LE on scene to make sure it is clear, etc, and LV and company are back home by 11:30. Total speculation based on that phone call to CR happening around noon and Lori not making that call until LE is no where near by.
 
Could you quote what it said? I can't get the link to work. Not disputing, just interested in the details. Do we know the LD50 for malachite?
The NIH lists LD50 for green malachite oxalate (I presume this is what you get when you grind the malachite into a powder?) as 275 mg/kg in rats and 50 mg/kg in mice. If you wanted to use it you would probably go with the higher dose to be sure. So if your intended victim was, let's say 135 lbs (about 60 kg), you need 16.5 grams. Just over a tablespoon. But taken all at once or over a short time as prolonged exposure of less than LD50 didn't do much. If I'm reading this correctly. Irritating to mucous membranes so could certainly cause a cough.

Toxicological studies on malachite green: a triphenylmethane dye. - PubMed - NCBI

MOO, the risperidone would not have been used on anyone to poison them. These (alleged) criminals aren't so dumb as to try and concoct a poison from a drug that has only ever killed one person. There are plenty of more lethal things available.
 
MOO, the risperidone would not have been used on anyone to poison them. These (alleged) criminals aren't so dumb as to try and concoct a poison from a drug that has only ever killed one person. There are plenty of more lethal things available.

Agreed, like ethylene glycol. But risperidone could be used to make somebody sleepy enough that suffocation with a pillow would be simple. Just speculating.
 
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
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"It just made it more real to him that she was done with him, with their relationship, and that she was done with being a mom," said Kay Woodcock.
I don't know what to make of this. If CV is afraid for his life from LV and AxC back in February why would he ever let JJ go to AZ to live with LV? Why would he be looking for a rental in LV's neighborhood in July?

I wonder if LV found out about changing the life insurance beneficiary to KW and LV put a lid on the crazy talk about translated beings and portals and tried to encourage CV to repair the relationship so he would change the beneficiary back to LV?

It also makes me wonder about CV's 2 adult sons. If CV was telling his lawyer and his sister and others he suspected LV would try and kill him, did his sons know that? That would certainly make for a different reaction when LV finally texted them that their father was dead...they might have been expecting it.
 
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