Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

[indicolite22]

MOO, what MG said was that Chad told her, "Don't pick up", then went on to tell MG that Lori was going to ask her to say that JJ was with her in AZ."

Immediately after that, Lori called MG and told her to say that she was at Frozen II with JJ and just to take a picture of a random group of children as evidence that she has JJ.

My take, Chad was helping MG to avoid telling a lie. This illustrates to me again that lying was considered a grave sin and that Chad himself does struggle with this, as shown by his Freudian slip concerning the "limbs" in the fire pit. And MG will go along with quite a bit, but draws the line at lying. MOO

Chad had no problem lying to police that he didn't know Lori very well and didn't have her phone number three weeks after they got married.

 

[Love Never Fails]

No autopsy was performed until 2 months after she was buried.

It what happens when you elect coroners without any medical experience.

This whole case is full of dead people in different States and counties and three idiots who thought they were above the law. One is now dead.

When will MP, IP and Zulema be arrested for conspiracy?

This isn’t about religion. That was their scam. It is about serial killers wanting each other and money and nobody was going to get in their way.

 

[justbreathe]

We discussed in the last few pages. There was a service in Rexburg. A memorial I believe.
A few options-
1. It’s possible this is only what Lori told Melanie and it didn’t happen.
2. MG is lying
3. Or the kids knew her.

MOO

I guess I am wondering what the Daybell kids knew and when. It makes no sense the kids knew her if the story about one of the boys saying his father “met a widow on a business trip in Hawaii and married her.” I wish they would/could speak. But realize that won’t happen before the trial and their testimony.

 

[justbreathe]

We discussed in the last few pages. There was a service in Rexburg. A memorial I believe.
A few options-
1. It’s possible this is only what Lori told Melanie and it didn’t happen.
2. MG is lying
3. Or the kids knew her.

MOO

I guess I am wondering what the Daybell kids knew and when. It makes no sense the kids knew her if the story about one of the boys saying his father “met a widow on a business trip in Hawaii and married her.” I wish they would/could speak. But realize that won’t happen before the trial and their testimony.

There wasn't the converse, either, which also blows my mind. I mean, how come—with their understanding of the power of prayer—they couldn't just pray the zombie out of someone? No fatalities necessary?

Duh. Don’t you realize - the only way to free the original spirit from limbo is to kill the body. You can’t just pray away a zombie possession. /s ;-)

 

[The First Article]

Yeah the cookie thing is strange no matter how you slice it.

These people are all adults. The only way the cookies make sense is if non-adult children are in attendance. Otherwise, "come over and let me serve you cookies for your Mom's death" is super odd even without any of the other hinky stuff. If you were in this situation wouldn't you find being invited over for cookies from your Mother's memorial with a woman you've never met weird even if you went? I'd go if a family member wanted me to but I'd find it very odd.

 

[Forever Young]

Yes, he sued her in 2006. And she fled her legal obligation to provide Joe with custody of Tylee more than once. Joe was entitled to custody (and ordered to pay child support) in Texas --and then she moved to Arizona. And he was entitled to custody in Arizona (and ordered to pay child support) when she moved to Hawaii.

Something in Lori's narrative and/or the retelling of the timeline doesn't line up. The idea that Lori was (ever) "ordered to pay child support" could only make sense if Joe (ever) had more custody than she did. And, in fact, the opposite was true, because she withheld Tylee from him. And that's why I surmise that her description of this as an "order to pay child support" is actually "an order to repay Joe for some of his lost time with Tylee."

If Joe was granted just "custody", (not "more custody"), Lori would have been ordered to pay support as the non-custodial parent. She fled to Hawaii to avoid handing Tylee over to Joe and having to pay Joe support.

Tylee wanted to stay in Hawaii because Lori did not make her go to school. Lori leaving the state without a judge's permission, in most states, would have been unlawful....but Joe would have had to pursue that with his lawyers, more money, more time. Lori above the law.

 

[Diddian]

My understanding is that it was 11 days between the first call from LE regarding if she had JJ, and when she met with them again for full interview.

I get in the middle-ground-weeds on this little issue. I do not blame her for waiting a bit to get back to police.

BUT, 11 days.... how much soul searching did she really have to do?
I don't think many of us believe that she has "totally rewound" her far-out beliefs. I still always think (and it was verified with her tone and comments in the interview with Nate) that she was more concerned about her own potential legal problems rather than the true welfare of the children.

We have had some good back and forth about LE probably glad she is out babbling. Maybe part of their thinking is that with Melanie talking more, maybe Lori will try some vengeful actions.... I feel Lori would protect MBP, but not MG.

In some of the reading I've done related to this case, I've come across the writings of former members who have left cults they were associated with. Generally, they say that, breaking through the brainwashing or allegiance to cult leadership or teachings that often characterizes such organizations requires a personal betrayal - the leader specifically targets that person for some reason (to personally commit some significant criminal act or to be subject to abuse by the rest of the group) or otherwise betrays him or her in some way.

It seems to me that is what happened to MG. It was when MG was singled out by Chad and Lori as the person to commit a crime related to the disappearance of a child (being personally asked to participate in something very shocking to her) that she woke up from her previously relatively undisturbed reverie, at least as much as that reverie related specifically to Chad and Lori.

ETA: This is also why I think MG's appeals to others in these groups to wake up to the destructiveness of some of the teachings probably fell on deaf ears UNTIL the remains were found on Chad's property. Those people believed Chad's and Lori's claims that the kids were hidden to protect them and likely thought MG just refused to play along with those protection plans. I wouldn't even be a bit surprised if some of those folks now believe the remains were PLANTED on CD's property. They are likely in cognitive dissonance mode and scrambling to still have what they believed somehow remain true.

 

[osu]

Okay so I thought it had been decided previously that an autopsy was performed on Tammy right after she died. Dateline is saying there was no autopsy on Tammy, until two months after her burial. That’s gross negligence on the part of the local coroner.

Here’s a new EIN article regarding the autopsy.

“Multiple sources told KSL Chad Daybell declined to have an autopsy performed. Ultimately, the Fremont County coroner ruled her death of natural causes, according to her obituary.”

Tammy Daybell investigation: Idaho law allowed her burial without an autopsy | East Idaho News

 

[Hippoinatutu]

Yeah the cookie thing is strange no matter how you slice it.

These people are all adults. The only way the cookies make sense is if non-adult children are in attendance. Otherwise, "come over and let me serve you cookies for your Mom's death" is super odd even without any of the other hinky stuff. If you were in this situation wouldn't you find being invited over for cookies from your Mother's memorial with a woman you've never met weird even if you went? I'd go if a family member wanted me to but I'd find it very odd.

Which is why I think it was code for something else. Moo

 

[The First Article]

dbm - dup

 

[Forever Young]

The episode shows up but will not play for me. Does anyone have an idea? Thank you

All I can say is that it is happening that way for me, too, and has in the past. I am asked to log in with my cable provider, which I do, but still does not work. Others apparently have no problem. After about a week I can access it. Not sure why that happens.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I have been researching and am convinced they all died from cyanide poisoning, which can cause pulmonary edema and also fades away after a few hours, hard to detect. But - looking into it now - there seems to be a fairly new test to detect cyanide exposure. So we shall see. (Sorry if too much speculation!)

The forensic specialist that Tricia had on YouTube opined that the ME doing Alex Cox's autopsy did not note any gross findings (that is, things to be observed by the bare senses of sight, snele, feel etc.) indicating poisoning such as characteristic smell or discoloration of the organs, therefore did not feel further toxicology testing was required.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM--
Well, I warned you all that you would get tired of me saying that I do not believe the ME report--Not saying they did not do their due diligence but that they missed something.
I am a firm believer that someone "slipped" him something or he did it himself.
I know what the ME report said.
I just don't think that is what happened.

You are not alone in thinking that his death was not natural. I would like to see an independent autopsy done.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Let me know how it is.

Hi Gitana,
Dateline was good. Covered everything.

For those of us who have followed murder cases on WS, these witnesses like MG and MP and IP look like morons and accomplices. I can’t say they will be charged with anything but they all knew. They remind me so much of Krystal Kenny.

They can say hindsight is 20/20 all they want. But they all had a full frontal view of what was going on. They all knew the kids were dead. We are strangers and we knew. If any of them have a conscience, they knew. Their letters of apology are a CYA effort. It makes me furious.

 

[Boxer]

So I took the cookie comment to mean something else completely.

I took it as code for something but I just didn't know what. That MG was communicating something completely different.

I don't get it if literally as CD kids think he met LVD on a business trip to Hawaii and immediately got married.

So how both could line up I don't know. Unless MG was lied to by LVD which is possible and plausible.

Possibly he told his children that their mother was needed beyond the veil and his current forever wife was LVD,
They may not be coming clean with authorities because the regular world, where the police, schools etc. are, simply is not their world. CD raised them.

 

[justbreathe]

Maybe someone can help with LVD & CD's thinking. MG stated she was told they didn't like to camp so they would not be in tents. Also the reason they would be needed after all the earthquakes is all the people who would be damaged and injured whose souls would turn to zombies. What made CD & LVD believe they could escape injury? Earthquake? Just living in Rexburg would be the saving grace or did they have some invisible force field (since they don't wear garments) to protect them?
I am aware that LVD told CV should "could not taste death" and was immortal but was she also exempt from pain, injury, natural disaster?

She is apparently not immune from being imprisoned.

 

[BUF]

All I can say is that it is happening that way for me, too, and has in the past. I am asked to log in with my cable provider, which I do, but still does not work. Others apparently have no problem. After about a week I can access it. Not sure why that happens.

Do you have OnDemand on your cable?

 

[Love Never Fails]

You are not alone in thinking that his death was not natural. I would like to see an independent autopsy done.

I agree also.

 

[LaborDayRN]

One impression that I read of MG’s Dateline interview last night was that she appeared “amused” by the whole situation. I thought that was a very accurate description.

JMO

I agree. You'd think she could at least TRY to look shocked and saddened. Far to much smiling (pretty much non stop) for me.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I genuinely think people get caught up in these guys fast and smooth talking ways or believe they want to be doing what’s right and living a higher law. I think anyone can be swayed no matter beliefs or religious stance. All jmo

I had found this site earlier, but did not post. I hope it does not get taken down.... but your Church heirarchy HAS spoken. I just feel they have to get much stronger to get church members to help church members.

FairMormon member Cassandra Hedelius spoke at the 2015 FairMormon Conference, warning against this very thing. In fact, some of the people, groups, and sites she was referring to are the very ones mentioned in the East Idaho News article.

In 2016, Elder Quentin L. Cook of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles also gave a warning:

While there are many examples of looking beyond the mark, a significant one in our day is extremism. Gospel extremism is when one elevates any gospel principle above other equally important principles and takes a position that is beyond or contrary to the teachings of Church leaders. One example is when one advocates for additions, changes, or primary emphasis to one part of the Word of Wisdom. Another is expensive preparation for end-of-days scenarios. In both examples, others are encouraged to accept private interpretations. “If we turn a health law or any other principle into a form of religious fanaticism, we are looking beyond the mark.”


Elder M. Russell Ballard said in the October 2017 General Conference:

We must be careful where our footsteps in life take us. We must be watchful and heed the counsel of Jesus to His disciples as He answered these questions: “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man [and I add woman] deceive you.”

In the News: Chad and Lori Daybell and Gospel Extremism - FairMormon