Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[squareandrabbet]

The only other mention was in CV's divorce petition (subsequently withdrawn) wasn't it?

You mean, the one where according to CV's lawyer, LV said she "didn't want" CV OR JJ anymore?

Personally, that's enough for me to believe there's no custody "battle" in the mind of Lori, because LV couldn't wait to see the back of JJ.

This custody theory has been pushed by Lori and Chad’s inner circle since the beginning, and no matter which way I try to see it, it just makes no sense. Lori sure isn’t caring for JJ now.

IMO, the "custody theory" has been embroiled and mentally/conceptually balled up until now, with the theory that Tylee, JJ, and probable others are holed up in a bunker somewhere.

If you are amongst the group that think the kids are no longer with us, then I think you doubt the "custody theory".

What’s beneficial about having the police and fbi chasing you? Her name will forever be tarnished now as this has hit worldwide. I’d even doubt that insurance companies will hand over death benefits as there’s enough suspicion to withhold payment, at least until the investigation is closed. I don’t see what she’s got to gain. Can you think of anything? MOO

Well, as of right now, she can gain not being charged with anything dire (manslaughter or worse) in connection with the disappearance of her kids. For Lori, that might be enough.

 

[kye0001]

Too many people in here thinking "if it were me or people like me" when in reality they should be thinking like Lori's if the want to help to get to the bottom of this. and if Lori thinks this is a custody battle approaching it any other way would be ineffective - IMO but carry on.

If we’re going to think like LV we need to be hoping any benefits, insurance policies or any other funds she gets are frozen until she produces those kids. MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

So Lori's statement said this:
BBM

Lori questions why he was here, why he was in town, and then brought up that he's been talking to her other brother, who came into town at the same time. Lori advised she hasn't talked to her other brother Adam in a long time and her husband was texting him and she was questioning as to why they talk and if they talk. Lori said her husband has been saying all these texts like 'you're going down' and such and that he is blaming her for their marriage breaking up and other marriages around them, calling her a destroyer of families.


What or who could he (CV) be referring to? Maybe the affair? Was there a threat of divorce at all in Chad's marriage? Or was he referring to BB and MB? I thought that was a surprise to BB though. I would have to look back to see when MB or BB filed for divorce.

I wonder if there are actual texts in evidence showing Charles' phone sent those statements ("You're going down" and "destroyer of families") to Lori's phone? My first thought was perhaps she made those statements up and is attributing to CV in order to get sympathy for herself? If Lori made them up, then it sounds like psychological projection to me.

If Charles really wrote those things, then he was actually pretty spot on. Maybe CV's the one who was really a prophet and could see the future? Lori removed money from Charles' business account and at one point the Orange County, CA Sheriff was considering putting out a warrant for Lori's arrest because the business couldn't make payroll for employees working in Orange County (I wish one of our intrepid reporters would look into that and find out if there was ever a warrant for her). Maybe that is what the "you're going down" text was referring to? Was Charles telling her she was going to jail unless she returned the money?

As for the "destroyer of marriages/families" statement, Charles suspected Lori of having an affair with Chad since at least Jan 2019. That affair would have broken up their marriage plus Tammy and Chad's marriage. The affair also would have destroyed multiple families if it had come out just from the ripple effects of two divorces.

MOO.

 

[fred&edna]

Thank you. As I say delete anything inappropriate. I’m sorry I’d thought her initials would be ok

Clarifying this was a rumor started by JR... was a very good post! And, I just used her initials, too.

All is good !

 

[Bray2020]

I agree with you, I think this has nothing to do with custody, I think that was an excuse for family and friends to explain away where the kids where, and I think even a lot of the religious stuff was a scam for money more than anything. I think the heart of this case is Chad and Lori's affair. MOO

I totally agree. I think all parties involved are making money off the publicity of this case. Chad books are out there, as are the books of the other authors he's published. Some people will buy them simply because they are intrigued by the story. Others will buy them because they are wondering if he truly is a prophet. I think all the religious stuff is strictly for money. At the end of the day, this is about the affair. Chad and Lori were willing to do anything to be together, but they also wanted money, and the deaths of their spouses would be more profitable than divorces. IMO

 

[RHarrison]

Too many people in here thinking "if it were me or people like me" when in reality they should be thinking like Lori's if the want to help to get to the bottom of this. and if Lori thinks this is a custody battle approaching it any other way would be ineffective - IMO but carry on.

If we’re going to think like LV we need to be hoping any benefits, insurance policies or any other funds she gets are frozen until she produces those kids. MOO

I am pretty sure hitting her in the pocket book will make her change her tune. MOO

 

[kye0001]

I totally agree. I think all parties involved are making money off the publicity of this case. Chad books are out there, as are the books of the other authors he's published. Some people will buy them simply because they are intrigued by the story. Others will buy them because they are wondering if he truly is a prophet. I think all the religious stuff is strictly for money. At the end of the day, this is about the affair. Chad and Lori were willing to do anything to be together, but they also wanted money, and the deaths of their spouses would be more profitable than divorces. IMO

Can we petition the sites selling them to pull the books to prevent them making money while this case is ongoing?

 

[fred&edna]

Too many people in here thinking "if it were me or people like me" when in reality they should be thinking like Lori's if the want to help to get to the bottom of this. and if Lori thinks this is a custody battle approaching it any other way would be ineffective - IMO but carry on.

Okay. Well, IMO Lori said to herself... I'm done with being a mom BUT I'm not done with collecting as much money as I can by using my children. Let LE prove that I can't collect the money I'm due!

 

[Tigerlily75]

Could be a similar reason as JJ. Monetary benefits from the deceased father's estate and/or insurance. Whoever has custody could get the funds for support of the child. MOO.

How though? Whoever has custody right now isn’t exactly going to call social security. The FBI is searching for these kids. No one will get the funds while these kids are missing.

 

[kye0001]

Too many people in here thinking "if it were me or people like me" when in reality they should be thinking like Lori's if the want to help to get to the bottom of this. and if Lori thinks this is a custody battle approaching it any other way would be ineffective - IMO but carry on.

I am pretty sure hitting her in the pocket book will make her change her tune. MOO

Surely the government have stopped any benefits she would be getting for the kids? I’m in the uk but I know ours would soon stop while this was ongoing? I know that for a fact as we took in a teen while his mum was still claiming for him. She got 4 weeks run on from when he moved in with us and then it ceased. MOO

 

[Tigerlily75]

Too many people in here thinking "if it were me or people like me" when in reality they should be thinking like Lori's if the want to help to get to the bottom of this. and if Lori thinks this is a custody battle approaching it any other way would be ineffective - IMO but carry on.

I am pretty sure hitting her in the pocket book will make her change her tune. MOO

Lori also told people Tylee was dead while Chad told people Lori didn’t have any minor children. They are lying all over the place about why those children are not with them. It’s hardly a stretch to think this so-called custody battle is just another lie.

 

[divineappt]

Spoiler alert, I think I watch too many crime dramas. Trying to piece these together in my mind, here’s where my thoughts have been racing and definitely MOO. According to the timeline these are the deaths or harm that we know Alex Cox was involved in some way as well as a few just plain suspicious incidents. Just food for thought.


BBM


25 May 1998 - Stacey Cox Cope, the sister of Lori and Alex Cox, dies supposedly of diabetic shock. Family interviews say only Alex was at home with her and he used her credit card while she was dead in the home; Stacey is survived by a young daughter named Melani (family interviews on GH; Daily Mail). Stacey Lynn Cope (1966-1998) - Find A Grave...


5 Aug 2007 – Lori’s brother, AC, attacks & threatens her 3rd ex-husband, JR in Travis Co, TX. JR was leaving after a custody visit with Tylee when AC approached him in the parking lot, pulled a stun gun & shocked JR with it twice. JR got up to flee and AC chased him. JR fled past a witness who saw AC with the stun gun and AC walked away after that (Court Docs, FOX 10 Phoenix).

Suspicious deaths that are not directly tied to AC

So “what if” Lori knew what really happened to her sister SC and threatened to tell authorities what happened if AC did not help her with the “problem” with Joseph.


Apr 2018 - Joseph Anthony Ryan, Jr. -- 3rd ex-husband of Lori, and father of Tylee, dies at his AZ home. His body wasn't found for 3 weeks. The death was ruled a heart attack and he was cremated, meaning no 2nd autopsy can be done (Fox13 Phoenix).


And then,


Approx Jan 2019 – Lori is staying with her brother Alex. Lori and AC are seen arguing loudly in the street outside of AC’s San Tan Valley, AZ home. A neighbor says he thought Lori and AC were married the way they were arguing. “She was screaming at him accusing him of bringing disgrace on their family”. After the fight Lori left AC’s house and was not seen there again by the neighbor (Exact date unknown, Jan 10, 2020 Daily Mail says “about a year ago”).


Maybe she continues to threaten and manipulate AC


11 July 2019, abt 8:30 a.m. - Charles Vallow is fatally shot twice in the chest at his home in 5500 block of S. Four Peaks Place, Chandler, AZ, allegedly by Lori's brother Alex Cox during a family argument. Lori was separated from CV at the time. CV came to the house to pick up JJ. AC was allegedly hit in the head with a baseball bat during the incident. AC called 911 and performed CPR on CV until emergency crews arrived. Police initially ruled the death self-defense and no charges were filed; However, Chandler PD have since said the investigation remains open (Fox10 Phoenix, Daily Mail).



11 July 2019 – Afternoon - Neighbors report seeing a loud pool party with music and many people swimming in the backyard of the Chandler AZ house where CV was shot to death that morning. Alex stayed at the house for several days even though he lived elsewhere in the area (Post Register).


And equally suspicious given all of the above?


2 Oct 2019 – BB, husband of Lori’s niece Melani, is shot at in the driveway of his Gilbert, AZ home; A bullet narrowly misses him and shatters the driver’s side window of BB’s car. The shooter is driving a vehicle matching the description of Tylee’s Jeep. A police report is filed. The Jeep was caught on CCTV and was later confirmed to be registered to the late Charles Vallow. (Family interview on GH; Fox News & Arizona Republic).


9 Oct 2019 - Tammy has an encounter with a masked man with a gun outside her ID home which she contacted the police about. She also posted about it on Facebook:

“Something really weird just happened, and I want you to know so you can watch out,”...“I had gotten home and parked in our front driveway. As I was getting stuff out of the back seat, a guy wearing a ski mask was suddenly standing by the back of my car with a paintball gun. He shot at me several times, although I don’t think it was loaded. I yelled for Chad and he ran off around the back of my house...” (East Idaho News, Daily Mail)


18 Oct 2019 – Tammy goes to bed having a coughing fit (according to Chad when he called her family to tell them she was dead).


19 Oct 2019 - Tammy is found dead by family members in her ID home at 202 N 1900 E, Rexburg; The ME in Rexburg only spent about 4 hrs on her autopsy and ruled her death “natural causes"


Coincidence? Or did LV continue to use her knowledge of her sisters death to manipulate AC? And then could he have finally gotten to the point where he refused to continue and she had to silence him.


12 Dec 2019 - Alex Cox, brother of Lori, was found dead in Gilbert, AZ of unknown causes; we are awaiting an autopsy report. Investigation into his death is being handled by the Gilbert PD.


Does not tell us where the children are or what happened to them, but it would appear to give Lori and Chad reason to not be worried in they’re warped narcissistic mind. After all if the above is true no one could ever prove that they had anything to do with any of the deaths or other harm. And now that he is dead they could also blame AC for the children’s disappearance and possible death.


MOO and BBM

 

[fred&edna]

Gray Hughes going over LV statement

 

[holsen]

MOO -- This case is so frustrating. Where are these children?

 

[Bray2020]

Can we petition the sites selling them to pull the books to prevent them making money while this case is ongoing?

Probably not. Chad and Lori haven't been accused of any crimes.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Probably not. Chad and Lori haven't been accused of any crimes.

But we've accused them of plenty lol. JMO.

 

[tealrose]

Total speculation... but hear me out.

The “destroyer of marriages “ comment, plus CV talking to Lori’s other brother, triggered a thought.

It doesn’t *really* sound like it’s in reference to their own relationship, thought it could include it, I suppose.

So what marriages, plural, could be included? It’s just phrased in a way that suggests MANY, to me.

MB/BB, that’d be a given. That’s only one.
Was Alex in a previous marriage/relationship?
What about the other brother?

Is it possible that she was influencing others besides Melani?

• I’m pretty sure this case isn’t just about sex and cheating.
• I’m skeptical it’s just about money, or at least, it’s not just life insurance money.
• I’m even more skeptical it’s about custody. Tylee isn’t the only afterthought - JJ is, in a pretty big way, at least from Lori. He’s an annoyance, more than anything, to her. That’s REALLY clear from the statement, and her comments about CV feeling the same way are likely projection and/or manipulating law enforcement.
• The sole reason I could see Lori wanting to retain custody is for money... but her behavior doesn’t fit that of someone wanting to retain custody. So I really don’t see that as a primary motivation behind this mess.
• There’s some way the marriages tie in. I don’t know how they matter, but they matter.
• If CV was talking to the other brother, it’d be nice if a reporter would reach out to him. Maybe he’d be more likely to talk? I wonder what his relationship with Lori & Alex was/is like. I wonder how she may have tried to manipulate him... or his relationships.

I am starting to think we don’t have a snowball’s chance of figuring out the entire situation, because I think we’re seeing a very small part, just the tip of the iceberg... and it’s the rest of it, that we can’t sleuth and don’t have the resources to, anyway, that are the rest of the iceberg. Heck the rest of Antarctica, for all I know.

I wish Colby would talk more. I think he’s being totally real in his videos, though there may be things he’s not allowed to release. And I hope like hell he has a strong support system and a great therapist.

On a curiosity side note, how often does WS have people come in and try and manipulate conversation to favor POIs? I don’t normally get that vibe here, but there’s been some posts on this case that just made me... uncomfortable.

 

[tealrose]

Gray Hughes going over LV statement

I think you either posted the wrong video or in the wrong thread. Video is about Allyson Watterson?

 

[squareandrabbet]

Total speculation... but hear me out.

The “destroyer of marriages “ comment, plus CV talking to Lori’s other brother, triggered a thought.

It doesn’t *really* sound like it’s in reference to their own relationship, thought it could include it, I suppose.

So what marriages, plural, could be included? It’s just phrased in a way that suggests MANY, to me.

MB/BB, that’d be a given. That’s only one.
Was Alex in a previous marriage/relationship?
What about the other brother?

Is it possible that she was influencing others besides Melani?

• I’m pretty sure this case isn’t just about sex and cheating.
• I’m skeptical it’s just about money, or at least, it’s not just life insurance money.
• I’m even more skeptical it’s about custody. Tylee isn’t the only afterthought - JJ is, in a pretty big way, at least from Lori. He’s an annoyance, more than anything, to her. That’s REALLY clear from the statement, and her comments about CV feeling the same way are likely projection and/or manipulating law enforcement.
• The sole reason I could see Lori wanting to retain custody is for money... but her behavior doesn’t fit that of someone wanting to retain custody. So I really don’t see that as a primary motivation behind this mess.
• There’s some way the marriages tie in. I don’t know how they matter, but they matter.
• If CV was talking to the other brother, it’d be nice if a reporter would reach out to him. Maybe he’d be more likely to talk? I wonder what his relationship with Lori & Alex was/is like. I wonder how she may have tried to manipulate him... or his relationships.

I am starting to think we don’t have a snowball’s chance of figuring out the entire situation, because I think we’re seeing a very small part, just the tip of the iceberg... and it’s the rest of it, that we can’t sleuth and don’t have the resources to, anyway, that are the rest of the iceberg. Heck the rest of Antarctica, for all I know.

I wish Colby would talk more. I think he’s being totally real in his videos, though there may be things he’s not allowed to release. And I hope like hell he has a strong support system and a great therapist.

On a curiosity side note, how often does WS have people come in and try and manipulate conversation to favor POIs? I don’t normally get that vibe here, but there’s been some posts on this case that just made me... uncomfortable.

Maybe by "destroyer of marriages", CV meant Lori blowing up three of her own prior marriages.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Total speculation... but hear me out.

The “destroyer of marriages “ comment, plus CV talking to Lori’s other brother, triggered a thought.

It doesn’t *really* sound like it’s in reference to their own relationship, thought it could include it, I suppose.

So what marriages, plural, could be included? It’s just phrased in a way that suggests MANY, to me.

MB/BB, that’d be a given. That’s only one.
Was Alex in a previous marriage/relationship?
What about the other brother?

Is it possible that she was influencing others besides Melani?

• I’m pretty sure this case isn’t just about sex and cheating.
• I’m skeptical it’s just about money, or at least, it’s not just life insurance money.
• I’m even more skeptical it’s about custody. Tylee isn’t the only afterthought - JJ is, in a pretty big way, at least from Lori. He’s an annoyance, more than anything, to her. That’s REALLY clear from the statement, and her comments about CV feeling the same way are likely projection and/or manipulating law enforcement.
• The sole reason I could see Lori wanting to retain custody is for money... but her behavior doesn’t fit that of someone wanting to retain custody. So I really don’t see that as a primary motivation behind this mess.
• There’s some way the marriages tie in. I don’t know how they matter, but they matter.
• If CV was talking to the other brother, it’d be nice if a reporter would reach out to him. Maybe he’d be more likely to talk? I wonder what his relationship with Lori & Alex was/is like. I wonder how she may have tried to manipulate him... or his relationships.

I am starting to think we don’t have a snowball’s chance of figuring out the entire situation, because I think we’re seeing a very small part, just the tip of the iceberg... and it’s the rest of it, that we can’t sleuth and don’t have the resources to, anyway, that are the rest of the iceberg. Heck the rest of Antarctica, for all I know.

I wish Colby would talk more. I think he’s being totally real in his videos, though there may be things he’s not allowed to release. And I hope like hell he has a strong support system and a great therapist.

On a curiosity side note, how often does WS have people come in and try and manipulate conversation to favor POIs? I don’t normally get that vibe here, but there’s been some posts on this case that just made me... uncomfortable.

I agree with you. I think for her to quote that about the marriages in the same vein as her brother, it has to relate. I wondered if it wasn’t his (Lori’s brother) own marriage or even lori’s parents CV was referencing. I think there is more to that statement as well.

Agreed as well with posters here. Many were here in the beginning as well claiming inside knowledge that completely disappeared.