Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #14

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I am new to this forum and don't know if this is OK to say (apologies if it is not). With what seems like a potential money grab occurring with these two, has anyone speculated about them selling the children? I know it is an awful thought but it keeps nagging at my mind as a possibility.
 
So it seems this time that Lori and Chad have been in Hawai since 27th November till now. Is that correct? Initially it seems they left some time after Tammy's memorial and funeral (22nd/23rd October) to get married on 5th November. (Or to grieve as Chad described it). Do we know when they returned from the honeymoon? I think we saw Chad and Lori in the storage footage on the 24th Oct IIRC. If on their second visit to Hawaii, they have now been there since 27th Nov then that clears them of involvement in the death of AC.
I thought that one of our VIs said that Chad was on vacation with his family on Thanksgiving weekend. Not sure if that was in Hawaii.
 
Interesting that the Sheriff is saying it wasn't the family requesting or turning down an autopsy, but a coroner decision. I wonder if that is true and if the Sheriff believes it.

It's interesting the sheriff is phrasing things that way as it seems like he is throwing the coroner under the bus. I don't see why it couldn't be that both things happened. Maybe the coroner (who is only an EMT with a HS diploma) looked Tammy over at the scene and didn't see anything, so maybe she asked Chad at the scene if he wanted an autopsy and Chad said "no". The dispatcher who took the call with Gilbert PD could have heard this exchange and described it as "family refusing autopsy" when asked about it later. Maybe final decision was the coroner's and the coroner communicated directly to the sheriff that she personally didn't think Tammy needed an autopsy? I can't fault her too much, since she doesn't have ME training, but the sheriff seemingly putting all the blame on her shoulders does make me wonder if she has faced disciplinary actions for not pushing for an autopsy for Tammy? Either that, or the sheriff doesn't want Chad to know they are onto his "innocent husband" act. Blaming Chad or Chad's family for the lack of autopsy implies something more nefarious and could spook the POI. Perhaps the sheriff is hoping to make it seem (to Chad) like he's on Chad's side, should the sheriff ever get a chance to interview Chad in the case? MOO.
 
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Wait, I might be wrong. I can't tell if there's a difference in how they enter a door as we don't see the moment they go inside the resort on video. We only got a still photo of that moment on Jan 26th.

26 Jan 2020
Chad seemingly opens the door for Lori while still holding onto her hand (but still possible he released her hand and entered first himself after opening the door):
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Sunday 9 Feb 2020
Chad lets go of her hand and goes in the door himself first; doesn't even look back to make sure Lori gets inside:
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MOO.

Part of it is the shade but your screenshot at the church shows Lori's hair looking a little raggedy too. Doesn't look like her usual hairdresser self. Maybe some stress cracks under pressure for both.
 
if the coroner asks the family if they want an autopsy and the family deems it is unnecessary, the family would then be “refusing” the autopsy. i’m personally not alarmed by this terminology because the use of “refuse” does not mean that the medical staff are telling the family they have doubts, pressuring the family to seek answers and having the family push back against the coroners advice. it just means the coroner asked if they want one and they said no. moo

also, my canadian is showing, do autopsies cost money in the US?

Yes, autopsies cost money and they are discouraged in places where forensic pathologists are not available, or the office is swamped. Coroners don't have to have a medical background.
Idaho coroner qualifications are downright basic
 
Regarding the "refusal" of the autopsy, it's accurate to say it's the coroner's call, in the sense that the family can refuse it and the coroner can override that refusal. So, the family didn't ask for an autopsy (or outright refused one), and the coroner didn't see cause to override that and order one.

These are the sheriff's words from his previous interview (uncut footage on YouTube, and this is within the first two minutes of the interview). He's talking about the morning of Tammy's death, after the officer responded to the home: "…Contacted the coroner, coroner responded, and body was transported to the funeral home. The coroner went there also, to do a further examination, and she determined that there was nothing out of ordinary…natural causes. A few days later, we started getting information out of Arizona that we maybe ought to take a closer look at this. As a result of that, we got a court order in December and had Tammy’s body exhumed and an autopsy was performed by the medical examiner in Utah…"

So, the coroner did a further examination and determined an autopsy/investigation/inquest wasn't called for. But, this is also on the heads of the sheriff's department, because an unattended death of unknown cause is in their hands to investigate and provide a written report of the investigation to the coroner. So, the sheriff's department investigation, to what degree one was done, also informed the coroner's decision about autopsy/inquest/further investigation (see 2 and 3 in section 19-4301 of Idaho code here): Section 19-4301 – Idaho State Legislature

Interesting info here from the CDC about Idaho, as well: Idaho - Coroner/ME Laws | CDC
 
Based on this (I'll assume SLC has the plate readers) then if they parked at the airport the car would have been discovered as you've indicated. If they drove to SLC and parked at an offsite, private parking lot aimed at air travelers (there are at least two that service SLC, one of them with two different large lots) then I suspect at some point they'd know there was an issue. I'm not sure whether they record license plates or not, but I do think they know what spots are open (they tell you where to park as you're pulling in) and I suspect their records probably flag spots when a car has been there an excessive amount of time (however long that is).
So I am confused and am requesting some wisdom from ones who live in Utah or Idaho. IMO, they would not park in a large airport at all...but the cars have to be somewhere! I just think that all the parking places have been alerted to check out for some of these vehicles or plates... Do people here who live in Utah or Idaho feel that there is not as much a heightened alert "for everyone to be on the lookout" for cars, MB, IP AC's newest wife--- as I am thinking??? It just seems that whenever there is some big abduction and msm is all over it.... every walmart in the whole country is alerted to look at their tapes---and voila! they find the abductor!! Are people in the main states really staying more quiet than "everyone to be on the lookout"?
 
So I am confused and am requesting some wisdom from ones who live in Utah or Idaho. IMO, they would not park in a large airport at all...but the cars have to be somewhere! I just think that all the parking places have been alerted to check out for some of these vehicles or plates... Do people here who live in Utah or Idaho feel that there is not as much a heightened alert "for everyone to be on the lookout" for cars, MB, as I am thinking??? It just seems that whenever there is some amazing msm abduction and msm is all over it.... every walmart in the whole country is alerted to look at their tapes---and voila! they find the abductor!!

Not sure for Utah but here in Idaho IMHO we are not getting a ton of direction to be on the lookout for any particular vehicles or license plates. The community is talking about the case but there's not much of a BOLO from the media or authorities.
 
So it seems this time that Lori and Chad have been in Hawai since 27th November till now. Is that correct? Initially it seems they left some time after Tammy's memorial and funeral (22nd/23rd October) to get married on 5th November. (Or to grieve as Chad described it). Do we know when they returned from the honeymoon? I think we saw Chad and Lori in the storage footage on the 24th Oct IIRC. If on their second visit to Hawaii, they have now been there since 27th Nov then that clears them of involvement in the death of AC.

I thought that one of our VIs said that Chad was on vacation with his family on Thanksgiving weekend. Not sure if that was in Hawaii.
Part of the family's Thanksgiving weekend included a vacation in Southern California from Rexburg via SLC airport. Others have mentioned the location, so I don't feel I'm sharing new information that isn't out there already. But, I'll confirm, yes, that's where the photos on social media took place. Chad was there at least part of the time, Lori wasn't in any of the photos. The trip was concluded December 1, photos posted December 2.

The neighbor in Hawaii said their packages arrived the first week of December and they arrived later:
“About the first week of December, there were some boxes left on their porch, and I believe they were from Idaho,” Latham recalls. “I called the Realtor that had the listing, and he told me to put them inside. A few days after that, I saw them pull up and I went over and introduced myself. Their names were Chad and Lori.”
Neighbor recalls 'guarded' encounter with Daybells; Kauai prosecutor says missing kids have not been in Hawaii | East Idaho News

ETA: so no. There is nothing that clears them of involvement in AC's death that we know of. Hopefully LE knows better. Especially with Tylee's phone they can trace the location history.
 
So it seems this time that Lori and Chad have been in Hawai since 27th November till now. Is that correct? Initially it seems they left some time after Tammy's memorial and funeral (22nd/23rd October) to get married on 5th November. (Or to grieve as Chad described it). Do we know when they returned from the honeymoon? I think we saw Chad and Lori in the storage footage on the 24th Oct IIRC. If on their second visit to Hawaii, they have now been there since 27th Nov then that clears them of involvement in the death of AC.
Where is the 27th November date coming from please?

I can only comment on the storage footage and say that is incorrect. Lori was at the unit on 24th November.
 
Where is the 27th November date coming from please?

I can only comment on the storage footage and say that is incorrect. Lori was at the unit on 24th November.
Timeline has all the details on Nov 26th Well-child check for JJ at Lori and Chad townhome. Nov 27th Warrants and search for the children (3 townhomes, storage unit, who knows what else)
 
Where is the 27th November date coming from please?

I can only comment on the storage footage and say that is incorrect. Lori was at the unit on 24th November.
27th Nov was the day after the attempted welfare check when LE returned to Rexburg and neighbour told them Chad and Lori had packed up and left. LE were not surprised because of pings from a cellphone. I'll check on the last day she was seen on the storage footage.
ETA that's correct, sorry, 24th Nov not Oct was last time for her at storage locker.
 
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So I am confused and am requesting some wisdom from ones who live in Utah or Idaho. IMO, they would not park in a large airport at all...but the cars have to be somewhere! I just think that all the parking places have been alerted to check out for some of these vehicles or plates... Do people here who live in Utah or Idaho feel that there is not as much a heightened alert "for everyone to be on the lookout" for cars, MB, IP AC's newest wife--- as I am thinking??? It just seems that whenever there is some big abduction and msm is all over it.... every walmart in the whole country is alerted to look at their tapes---and voila! they find the abductor!! Are people in the main states really staying more quiet than "everyone to be on the lookout"?

No, there isn't any heightened alert where I live in Utah. I can kind of understand that. If you wanted to hide vehicles, there are plenty of places you could do that. There are mountains and sparsely populated areas all around. The same is true for Idaho. If you want to hide something, or someone, it's pretty easy.
 
if the coroner asks the family if they want an autopsy and the family deems it is unnecessary, the family would then be “refusing” the autopsy. i’m personally not alarmed by this terminology because the use of “refuse” does not mean that the medical staff are telling the family they have doubts, pressuring the family to seek answers and having the family push back against the coroners advice. it just means the coroner asked if they want one and they said no. moo

also, my canadian is showing, do autopsies cost money in the US?

On the subject of autopsies costing money, they cost someone money, I assume the county that has to do them or arrange for them to be done if deemed needed. Here's an article I was pointed to that talks about Idaho and how autopsies get done as well as a bit of history as to how it came to work this way. Ultimately it costs someone, either in direct costs (paying salaries, etc) or in paying someone else at least $1,500-2,000 per autopsy.

Ada County Coroner's Office handles autopsies from 33 Idaho counties, 3 reservations
 
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