Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019

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nope not easy here unless you're talking illegally
LadyL I believe the OP may have meant Canada is cheaper on prescriptions but I could be wrong. I lived in the GTA for a while and meds are definitely cheaper but also not " easy" to get. We often hear that if you go to Mexico you can easily obtain anything from a doctor for a price.
 
IF her phone had been used for the October transaction, the police could probably find its location at the time from phone pings.

But that does not verify that Tylee actually used her phone. Just that the phone was used.

Could this situation end up like Susan Smith? Who felt like her children were a barrier to her happiness in a relationship? Although, it sounds like both children had family members who definitely wanted them, and it would have been easy enough for Lori to make some calls, and stick them on a plane to get gone.

So, that makes the disappearance of the children seem like it was something that occurred that was unplanned...
 
Just a quick, friendly reminder that anything that could be seen as bashing a religion could get the thread shut down. That would be a major shame after the amazing work everyone has done here, so please tread carefully! Not addressing anyone in particular with this post!

@Warwick7, you'll want to go back and read the thread. It's a very convoluted case and there has been some fantastic sleuthing.
 
In Tylee's case, her father was dead, so not sure what other relatives were there that would have wanted to take her in. Tylee and Joshua are not biologically related at all. The grandparents are only Joshua's, they have no biological ties to Tylee. Lori herself isn't biologically related to Joshua.
 
Pulled out for homeschooling was my first thought on why the school didn’t report them missing. I wonder if these kids were being abused or neglected in any way prior to their disappearance. Pulling them out of school is so sketchy.
Tylee supposedly graduated already, and I don't think she was pulled of any school in Idaho. She just never attended any school there as far as I can tell.
 
To make all this easily go away, all Lori & Chad need to do is show up at the nearest cop shop. If they have nothing to hide, why don't they do this? If they are truly loving & devoted, the kids will be 100% fine, so easy peasy, right?

The attorney statement stinks like two day old fish. I agree with the poster above who thought it might be all pre-arranged by a sympathizer/participant who also happens to be an attorney.

I read all the blurbs about Chad's books,and outside critiques/summaries as well. He has alarming, apocalyptic views that all seem to involve armed, violent conflict, with a select few families being triumphant.

I am very uneasy about the health & well-being of those children. Chad seems to have some sort of almost childish preoccupation with some sort of final shoot out scenario. Is Lori his Queen of the Apocalypse? I hope this doesn't devolve into some sort of Ruby Ridge situation.

**All of this is only my own conjecture, opinion, rambling.**
 
Came here via six degrees of separation from this story. Was hoping for a non-Austin related story, but looks like I won't get my wish. Been a rough few weeks in crime here. A few notes.

I think Chad was married to Tammy for 30 years. Yet two weeks after Tammy supposedly died in her sleep (which apparently was just accepted as natural death, no investigation or autopsy done at the time as far as I can tell), Chad is already remarried? Isn't that a very short time after a long marriage, to already remarry? That alone should have raised suspicions. And never mind Tammy was reportedly healthy and fit woman, there seem to be no reason for her to die in her sleep suddenly. I think a ball was dropped here.

In Texas, as an example - any "unattended death" requires an autopsy. Meaning no one was in the room when the person died, and they weren't being "attended" to by a doctor, in a hospital setting, for example. A family member's death was considered unattended because the other family member was on the other side of the house when this person died.

If they were in the same bed when she died, and whatever state they were in has a similar law, it may have been considered not a case for a mandatory autopsy. Then again, the law can be applied inconsistently here in TX, as Antonin Scalia's death was technically unattended, but they did not require an autopsy. That can be a moving target, IMHO, no matter the state and circumstances.

Definitely doesn't mean a ball wasn't dropped, but another factor in whether an autopsy can be done (decided by the Justice of the Peace here, typically) is a religious objection.

IF her phone had been used for the October transaction, the police could probably find its location at the time from phone pings.

I read this whole thread hoping for news of a forensic trail from the phones of the children. I hope there is one.
 
Tylee supposedly graduated already, and I don't think she was pulled of any school in Idaho. She just never attended any school there as far as I can tell.

MOO: sorry but I just don’t agree that she had actually graduated. It sounds like nobody was teaching her according to her friend’s mom posting here. No longer doing the work doesn’t = graduation. Either way though, my statement remains true for Joshua. He was pulled out to do homeschool, he didn’t just stop attending his elementary school.
 
Came here via six degrees of separation from this story. Was hoping for a non-Austin related story, but looks like I won't get my wish. Been a rough few weeks in crime here. A few notes.



In Texas, as an example - any "unattended death" requires an autopsy. Meaning no one was in the room when the person died, and they weren't being "attended" to by a doctor, in a hospital setting, for example. A family member's death was considered unattended because the other family member was on the other side of the house when this person died.

If they were in the same bed when she died, and whatever state they were in has a similar law, it may have been considered not a case for a mandatory autopsy. Then again, the law can be applied inconsistently here in TX, as Antonin Scalia's death was technically unattended, but they did not require an autopsy. That can be a moving target, IMHO, no matter the state and circumstances.

Definitely doesn't mean a ball wasn't dropped, but another factor in whether an autopsy can be done (decided by the Justice of the Peace here, typically) is a religious objection.



I read this whole thread hoping for news of a forensic trail from the phones of the children. I hope there is one.

How is this Austin related? Anyway, Texas law doesn’t *require* an autopsy for an unattended death, it just needs to be referred to the Medical Examiner, who then has the right to investigate and conduct an autopsy of s/he feels it is necessary. This goes for every unwitnessed death and every death within 24 hours of admission to a hospital. This is pretty standard in every state, but far less autopsies are done than deaths that fall into these categories. I worked very closely with Medical Examiners in all of the states in the northwest, including Utah and Idaho when I worked as an anatomical gift transplant coordinator (ie organ/eye/tissue banks) and while
I didn’t work with a Texas, the laws regarding death referrals to the ME are pretty standard across the country in terms of they have to be notified but they are not required to conduct an autopsy. Otherwise they would be expending resources on doing autopsies on elderly people all day long.


Here is one example source website from one county in Texas.

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MOO: sorry but I just don’t agree that she had actually graduated. It sounds like nobody was teaching her according to her friend’s mom posting here. No longer doing the work doesn’t = graduation. Either way though, my statement remains true for Joshua. He was pulled out to do homeschool, he didn’t just stop attending his elementary school.

Can homeschooling parents just declare their student as graduated or do they have to take some type of state mandated test?
 
MOO: sorry but I just don’t agree that she had actually graduated. It sounds like nobody was teaching her according to her friend’s mom posting here. No longer doing the work doesn’t = graduation. Either way though, my statement remains true for Joshua. He was pulled out to do homeschool, he didn’t just stop attending his elementary school.
From what has been posted here, if she was homeschooled, she could have been declared (by Lori, presumably) as "graduated." The point, is I don't think she was every enrolled in any school in Idaho.
 
Just in case anyone missed it when it was posted earlier in the thread, here is a video of Joshua singing with his grandfather. He looks so genuinely happy here, IMO. I am almost too scared to find out what has happened to him and Tylee. Praying for a Christmas miracle today.

Video: Joshua 'JJ' Vallow seen singing with grandpa before disappearance | Daily Mail Online

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Joshua was level 2 on the autism scale (per grandma) which is in the middle. Not the most severe and not the least severe. But children with this level of autism do require substantial help. He was also on meds, and as far as grandpa knows, prescription has not been refilled. If he is kept somewhere (like in a bunker) without his meds, he is probably going to become very hard to control.
 
I am trying hard to catch up here and some of this is so confusing. So Joshua was adopted by Charles, was he with Lori at the time so they both adopted him? What about Tylee? I read her dad has passed away...were her parents (Lori and her dad)ever married?
 
I am trying hard to catch up here and some of this is so confusing. So Joshua was adopted by Charles, was he with Lori at the time so they both adopted him? What about Tylee? I read her dad has passed away...were her parents (Lori and her dad)ever married?

Yes, Lori and Charles were married when they adopted Joshua. He (Joshua) is the bio grandson of Charles' sister who, along with her husband, have been in many of the news stories and, IMO, are probably the out of state family members who were concerned and got the RPD on the case initially.

I'm not sure that anyone has found wedding or divorce records on Lori marrying Tylee's dad (Joseph Anthony Ryan), but think they were married. In addition to Tylee, they had an older son (now married with a young kid) named Colby.
 
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