ID - Robert Manwill, 8, Boise, 24 July 2009 - #3

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ITA, he booked it out of the room.

he was running,:confused:

is it me but it seem that LE never find theses childern it always been citizen. (Plus did LE even search the canal ?)

Neveah
Sandra
Caylee, I feel LE could had found little Caylee way sooner if one officer would done his job JMO

I also feel that Boise LE is doing a great job, I am not questioning them about not answering questions,
I would like to know why they made the statement about the canal,what made then think Robert was not in the canal, or after that statement was made did someone go in put Robert there, thinking that it would not be search.

That would clear mom and BF, I am sure that LE has not let them out their sights.
 
If his death is from drowning, I bet nobody is charged. Unless there are broken bones...like a fractured skull....they'll just say he wandered off and fell into the canal.
 
. . . and another Little One leaves us. . . and many tears are shed but we can find peace in the fact that these little people are in a better place.

I pray for Robert's family - especially his older brother. May this young man have someone come into his life to help him through this difficult time. May he KNOW he was not responsible in any way.

when will it end?
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idahostatesman

The report issued Tuesday does not indicate a cause of death, that is "pending investigation." It also says the place of death is "unknown."

"I'm sure a cause of death will be released down the road," Sonnenberg said Tuesday. "Everything has got to be put together to find out just what has happened."

Sonnenberg said water complicates his work.


I am very curious about the 'place of death'.
 
I'd hazard a guess that LE is getting their ducks in a row and perhaps arrests will be immediate as soon as they determine cause of death. Knowing the history going on here I'm sure they may have some idea what happened, just need the body evidence to back it up.
 
Just got off the phone with my contact. I am not sure if I should be posting what I know and who I am getting it from, but here it goes anyways. Its a lot of bits and pieces to different things.

When they brought the uhaul it it was backed right up to the stairs. The complex has stairs on both ends. On the stairs near mothers apartment it was not only blocked off, but covered so nobody could see what was coming out of the apartment. It was maintenance who told the complex security that the carpet and wall was removed. It happens to be he not only lives there, but works part time for that same security while he is going to school. He said the security company he works for is not allowed near that apartment at this time.

I asked him if he thought mom was really working that night. He said when he got home from class that night mom was there and had said she had been at work.

He said he knows the deputy that pulled the body from the water and supposedly there were anchor markings. Since this has all happened this deputy now isnt answering his phone. My guess is deputy was told not to talk anymore to anyone and turn his phone off.

I asked him his take on the mom and he isnt 100% sure if she is involved, but almost certain the bf is. He doesnt know for sure if the mom even knows for certain what happened. Thinks its possible that maybe the bf got heavy handed with Robert before mom got home.

I asked him what his take on no arrests was.....He thinks its because they are being very careful to do everything just right so nothing gets thrown out. He said if the mom was involved they want to know for sure so they can arrest both at the same time. On the flip side they dont want to arrest her if this was something just on the bf. He did tell me again they have been prime suspects from the start.

He said mom was at the vigil last night, but the bf was not. I also noticed that at the police conf yesterday when he was not there, but I have read she was.



I have not really processed what I have just learned yet. Im not sure what I think about it, but wanted to pass what I have heard along to everyone else. When I got off the phone with him he was heading into class. Im sure this will be some sort of discussion. I mean how can this not be talked about with criminal justice majors...lol
 
I really appreciate the great information, but could this get him fired? Maybe if you took the references out of who he really is it would be a good idea. Just be sure to state this is an unconfirmed report/rumor since it is not official and there is no way to verify the information.
 
I really appreciate the great information, but could this get him fired?

I struggled writing that because I dont want to make it obvious who I am getting this from, but at the same time if I hold back details then people question its truth. I honestly dont know. Never once did he tell me not to repeat it. Never once did he say "I cant talk about it". The other thing is this is what he is getting from other sources who seem to know first hand. They may be the ones that could end up in trouble. I dont know...... Now some of the things like the apartment being totally blocked off would be obvious to anyone who lives there.


I dont even know where I would start as far as removing the source. Its been posted in a few places. I am thinking I would need some extra eyes and a mod to help me edit any of that information
 
Nancy Grace on now and Jean C. is reporting on Robert!!!
 
Showing video of the LE news conference confirming a tentative ID as that of Robert. Also video of the canal, including that Robert could've entered the canal from about 1/2 mi. from his mother's house.
 
Reporter can't confirm what clothing the body has on as media didn't get close enough to see. He's describing the canal as a "powerful body of water". Preliminary report from the Coroner: cause of death "unknown", place of death "unknown". Also saying it would be almost impossible to tell if someone had been pushed or just fallen into the water. Looking for bruising, other injuries.
 
LE seems to be holding allot to their chest......IMO
does Idaho have sunshine laws or keeps everything close til
trial?
 
Updated Articles & Videos!


Ada County Coroner says the fact Robert Manwill was found in water makes it harder to determine his cause of death
Published: 08/04/09
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"Finding Robert will not be the end, but just the beginning of an entirely new investigation," he said.

Police have to "focus on evidence," he said.

Kerns said Robert's family is still in close contact with police and being updated throughout the investigation.

Sonnenberg said water complicates his work.

"You can't assume as much as quickly," he said. "Now you have to add the fact that you have...decomposition in water which greatly complicates the case."

Deveau estimates from the Vista Avenue apartment to where Manwill's body was found as a roughly 18-mile stretch.

There are no gates or grates between those two locations to stop a body, he said. And it would take more than a week for a body to float that far, he said.

"We deal with this a lot," Devaue said. "Usually, any place from Broadway to Gowen Road...if somebody goes in that area, it's going to be one to two weeks before we see them at Cloverdale."

There are a set of "body gates" at Cloverdale Road, Deveau said, but the canal company must lower them into place. That didn't happen, because Boise police "thought he wasn't in the canal so we didn't put the gates in," he said.


Map: Where Robert Manwill was last seen and where the body was found
http://media.idahostatesman.com/sme...4_Manwill_search.source.prod_affiliate.36.pdf

Video: Tuesday's press conference
http://videos.idahostatesman.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=5447313&item_in dex=1&all=1&sort=NULL

Video: Sunday's press conference in the search for Robert Manwill
http://videos.idahostatesman.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=5405891&item_index=1&all=1&sort=NULL

See a photo gallery from the search for Robert Manwill
http://www.idahostatesman.com/397/gallery/848267.html

Video: Friday's press conference where police say they have evidence that "suspicious circumstances" exist in Robert Manwill's disappearance
http://videos.idahostatesman.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=5375879&item_index=1&all=1&sort=NULL

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Article:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/855363.html
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Question remains: How did Robert Manwill die?
05:30 PM MDT on Tuesday, August 4, 2009
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Tuesday afternoon, Ada County Coroner Erwin Sonnenberg made a tentative identification of the body, but said that the cause of death is pending a police investigation.

The identification is tentative because Sonnenberg is awaiting the receipt of dental records to make a final determination.

Sonnenberg said his office is working closely with the Boise Police Department on the case - and says further information will come in cooperation with BPD.

It still is not clear how Manwill ended up in the canal, how long his body had been in the water or if other factors are at play.

A news conference held at 4 p.m. by the Boise Police Department did not reveal any additional information.


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VIDEO: Kerns: New phase begins
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=386090

VIDEO: Death under investigation
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=386107

VIDEO: Community gathers for vigil
http://www.ktvb.com/video/index.html?nvid=386112

Article:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-aug0309-kuna_canal_body.a50d15f2.html
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Boise Police Department News Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 04, 2009
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Watch the latest News Conference in the Robert Manwill missing child investigation. Also, click here for a video demonstration of the abilities of specially trained scent and search K-9's who are helping in the search for the little boy. Media contact info is also provided.

All the latest information will be posted at www.boisepolice.org

News media briefings will be held at noon daily, until further notice, at Boise City Hall West, 333 N. Sailfish Place.


Watch the latest News Conference
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departme.../DepartmentVideos/LatestManwillPresserV10.wmv

Watch a video demonstration of one of the specialized search K-9's being utilized.
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/Multimedia/DepartmentVideos/BloodhoundDemoVNR.wmv

For Latest Information
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page45044.aspx

Article:
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/NewsReleases/2009/page45044.aspx
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Coroner: body found in canal Robert Manwill
August 4, 2009 4:44 PM ET
<snipped>
In a statement Tuesday, coroner Erwin Sonnenberg said his office is still trying to determine the cause of death.

The child reportedly disappeared July 24 after leaving his mother's apartment in Boise.

Police have said evidence in the case indicates suspicious circumstances surrounding the disappearance.


Article:
http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=10846764
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Police: body ID launches new investigation
Published: 08/04/09
<snipped>
Police say the tentative identification of a body found floating in a canal as missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill has launched an "entirely new investigation."

Deputy Chief Jim Kerns said Tuesday police were waiting for a positive identification from the Ada County coroner, who has tentatively identified the body as Manwill.

The boy reportedly disappeared July 24 after leaving his mother's apartment in Boise, where he was visiting. His father, Charles Manwill, lives in New Plymouth and has had custody since 2008.


Article:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/IdahoNews/story/854904.html
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Body Found in Canal Is Missing Boy
Robert Manwill, 8, Missing Since July 24; Family Has History of Violence
Aug. 4, 2009
<snipped>
Ada County coroner Erwin Sonnenberg released a statement today saying his office was still trying to determine the cause of death. Dental records will be checked to confirm the identification, he said.

"Finding Robert will not be the end, but just the beginning of an entirely new investigation," Boise Police Department Deputy Chief Jim Kerns said. "Our priority remains finding answers for Robert's family and this community."

Kerns asked today for patience as police continue to investigate what happened to the boy.

"We caution those who would speculate, who spread rumors or second-guess what's happening behind the scenes," he said. "Our system of justice demands that we focus on evidence. Our investigative experience tells us that we cannot jump to conclusions. The police investigation into Robert's disappearance continues and is very active."


Article:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8252194&page=1
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VIDEO: News Conference Announcing Robert Manwill's Body Identified 6:03
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/vi...ipFormat=flv&clipId1=4014704&at1=News&h1=News Conference Announcing Robert Manwill's Body Identified&flvUri=

VIDEO: Manwill Vigil 2:53
http://www.fox12idaho.com/global/vi...ormat=flv&clipId1=4012912&at1=News&h1=Manwill Vigil&flvUri=
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The Search for Answers... Robert Manwill
The body of 8 year old Robert Manwill was found in the New York Canal near Kuna, Idaho. The search for answers continues. Find out the latest information and see all of FOX 12's Special Coverage of the story here.
http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/category.asp?C=172367
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"Entirely New Investigation" in Manwill Case
August 4, 2009
<snipped>
Boise Police say the identification of the body of Robert Manwill is not the end, but the begining of an entirely new investigation. The coroner tentatively identified Roberts at the victim who was pulled Monday from a canal near Kuna. Speaking at a press conference Tuesday Deputy Chief Jim Kerns said investigators remain dedicated to "finding answers" for Manwill's family. Kerns said police are engaged in a "very active" investigation, but warned people against speculating what could have happened and not to jump to any conclusions. Police said last week they had evidence indicating Robert could be the victim of a tragic event, but they have not identified any suspects or people of interest in the case.

Article:
http://www.kboi.com/Article.asp?id=1441754&spid=
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VIDEO: Coroner tentatively identifies body 2:07
http://www.2news.tv/news/52459077.html

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LE seems to be holding allot to their chest......IMO
does Idaho have sunshine laws or keeps everything close til
trial?
I don't know what they have to release, but I was kind of surprised to hear anything about the Coroner's report so soon! :)
 
I struggled writing that because I dont want to make it obvious who I am getting this from, but at the same time if I hold back details then people question its truth. I honestly dont know. Never once did he tell me not to repeat it. Never once did he say "I cant talk about it". The other thing is this is what he is getting from other sources who seem to know first hand. They may be the ones that could end up in trouble. I dont know...... Now some of the things like the apartment being totally blocked off would be obvious to anyone who lives there.


I dont even know where I would start as far as removing the source. Its been posted in a few places. I am thinking I would need some extra eyes and a mod to help me edit any of that information
I was only speaking of the part where you mentioned where he works and what he does with his other time as this could be a clear indication for people who know him. If they cannot pinpoint who is talking to whom then no one would get into trouble.

In order to edit a post, you look at the right bottom side of the post for the edit button. Click and edit the post then click the save button. :)
 
Andy Milonakis is a kids comedian.......has T shirts with a microphone on them,, I believe.
Andy yells and doesn't need a mic I was told.
 
RIP Robert. :(

I am so sorry that your life was cut so short, sweetheart. Please fly with the angels and be free.
 
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