Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #4

[Tippy Lynn]

I totally agree, however, Illinois law does not allow the removal of children of drug addicts.
Imo, Illnosis would have to reopen orphanages to house the children and NO one wants to hear that.

There would never be enough qualified foster homes, especially for older children with the problems this state has.

Illinois PROMOTES prison reform, what does that say, in itself.

From the looks of this case and a few others it doesn’t appear that Illinois law allows children to be removed if they are being abused either. I’m sorry, but if it keeps one child from being abused or killed I’m not opposed to orphanages. Anything would be better than the current systems/laws.
jmo

 

[nyvictoria]

Extensive proof. Like a dead child?

Right? Sickening!!

 

[Scanner]

Not sure how much work AF can do from home with no hydro.

 

[Simply Southern]

In the interview the doctor stated that child abuse is a fairly new medical specialty. He didn't say a forensic medical specialist wasn't available to McHenry County. He mentioned nothing about malpractice insurance. He also pointed out the need for physicians, law enforcement and judicial system to work better together which was an incredible understatement about this case.

McHenry county has a Child Advocacy center but DCFS didn't bother to take the boys there. Parker was taken there after AJ was found. It's disgraceful.

JMO

He was careful what he said related to medical professionals. Don't think any Dr's gonna get in TV and state that but it is true.

He stated they need more of these specially Dr.s.

What he could of said, We need to train EVERY pediatrician in the state on recognizing the signs of child abuse.

He!! Its not even a speciality you can get a medical degree in.

 

[Trudie]

Here’s a couple articles regarding AF’s office. Apparently, it was in Riverside IL, which is about 47 miles from Lake Crystal or 1 hr 15 minute commute from Dole Ave house.


Freund practiced law in Riverside. A man who answered at a phone number listed for AF’s law office on Thursday described Freund as an “independent contractor” but would not provide additional information and declined to give his name.
AJ Freund's dad had been ordered to undergo drug treatment to keep law license


Although he lives in Crystal Lake, AF Sr. is an attorney whose professional address is listed at 24 East Ave. in Riverside, a storefront in the Tower Apartments owned by a real estate trust.
Crystal Lake man accused of killing son has Riverside ties

@Tippy Lynn I wonder if standard protocol was for JC to lock the kids in their rooms for the night, so she could sleep after Sr left for work. With his commute, she was likely home alone with them 12+ hours a day.

 

[Boodles]

I was under the impression a source was to be cited when stating something as fact. If it not fact and opinion then IMO/MOO was to be added to differentiate from fact/opinion. Is this incorrect?

You’re correct. Except, IMO, if something has been repeatedly established as fact via links to credible sources, it could become redundant to keep linking the same sources. But I don't know the context of your question.

 

[Trudie]

Also so they see all the people who actually Love Andrew.

Do you think they are getting bags of hate mail? I do.

Extensive proof. Like a dead child?

Evidently.
Both Drew & JC deserve the worst of the worst for the rest of their miserable days. Prison isn’t even punishment for them. Only free housing with essentials provided.
I honestly could not look at either, even if my job required me to do so.

 

[MyBelle]

I totally agree, however, Illinois law does not allow the removal of children of drug addicts.
Imo, Illnosis would have to reopen orphanages to house the children and NO one wants to hear that.

There would never be enough qualified foster homes, especially for older children with the problems this state has.

Illinois PROMOTES prison reform, what does that say, in itself.

BBM. This isn't remotely true. AJ was removed from his parents at birth because of opiates in his system and he was returned after she underwent drug treatment which is paid for by the state of IL.

This case also has nothing to do with prison reform.

It would be helpful if you would not state your opinion as fact.

JMO

Substance Abuse Services and Assistance - Healthy Kids

The Illinois Department of Human Services, Division of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse (DHS/DASA) provides funding for alcohol and other drug abuse treatment services for pregnant women and women with children, youth, those receiving TANF funds and those at risk of or infected with HIV; as well as counseling and early intervention services to individuals with gambling disorders.

DHS/DASA also provides services to individuals with active DCFS cases. Individuals are screened and referred by DCFS offices and local service providers. Treatment providers work with DCFS staff to bring patients into the treatment process, and when needed, provide transportation for patients and/or their children to child care so they may attend treatment.

The overall goals of the DASA/DCFS Initiative include:

• Improved health and safety of the child(ren) and mother
• Improved parenting skills
• Improved family functioning
• Reduced substance abuse
• Improved life management skills of the mother

DHS also offers treatment services for alcoholism and addiction through an extensive treatment provider network throughout the state of Illinois.

 

[Trish51]

Well the best situation is for her to be clueless or not mention names, imo.
As someone posted yesterday, maybe the baby could be adopted out & JC will never have familial contact to get any info, down the road.
Of course we don’t know that the baby will be healthy & able to survive. It is my guess the sperm donor leads a life Similar to JC’s.
Not every foster family is able to commit to a child with special needs, imo. So, time will tell.

I don't think the baby can be adopted. Her parental rights may be terminated, voluntarily or involutarily, but the dad's, whoever he us, would still have rights. If he chose to, he could sue for custody and the adoptive parents could lose the baby. Plus, for all we know, and purely speculation, the father could be a decent person with all the provisions to take care of the baby. He just made a bad choice in sleeping with her, whether he paid or not.

 

[MyBelle]

He also, stated due to HIPPA it was hard to share medical records.
That is untrue, it clearly states they are required by HIPPA law to release certain medical records to LE.

Privacy Statement - Centegra Health System

I suggest you re-listen to the interview. The doctor said the medical records could be released. The confusion was on the part of investigators, not doctors.

 

[MyBelle]

I have no idea if the home that has P wants an infant.
I’m going by the statement made by some IL attorney after JC/AJ arrest.
I assume paternity has been established since Drew is not the donor, per msm.
Some have speculated the father is DN, idk. I have no idea how many sexual partner/encounters she might have had.

We don't have a right to know anything at all about P or the new baby. They law protects their privacy.

JMO

 

[Simply Southern]

I was under the impression a source was to be cited when stating something as fact. If it not fact and opinion then IMO/MOO was to be added to differentiate from fact/opinion. Is this incorrect?

Thanks for the reminder, I am guilty.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

@Tippy Lynn I wonder if standard protocol was for JC to lock the kids in their rooms for the night, so she could sleep after Sr left for work. With his commute, she was likely home alone with them 12+ hours a day.

She beat AJ until he couldn’t move.....no need to lock him up. I’m not sure about PF, but he was probably to scared to move or do anything. Although, it does state she locked both the older brother and AJ up.
Worthless and evil monster.

 

[Trudie]

I don't think the baby can be adopted. Her parental rights may be terminated, voluntarily or involutarily, but the dad's, whoever he us, would still have rights. If he chose to, he could sue for custody and the adoptive parents could lose the baby. Plus, for all we know, and purely speculation, the father could be a decent person with all the provisions to take care of the baby. He just made a bad choice in sleeping with her, whether he paid or not.

No, I don’t think she can be adopted w/o the father consenting.
I just so want JC to not even get a glimpse of the baby.
Her contact with all breathing creatures needs to be “cuffing up”, imo & that day is coming, I believe.

 

[MyBelle]

He was careful what he said related to medical professionals. Don't think any Dr's gonna get in TV and state that but it is true.

He stated they need more of these specially Dr.s.

What he could of said, We need to train EVERY pediatrician in the state on recognizing the signs of child abuse.

He!! Its not even a speciality you can get a medical degree in.

All pediatricians in IL are mandated reporters of child abuse. Trained physicians at Lurie Children's Hospital in Chicago provide forensic examinations for all pediatricians in Cook County. My granddaughter was referred for such an examination by her Chicago pediatrician. Cook County has a population of over 5 million people.

Forensic training isn't a specialty, it is a certification.

Child Abuse Pediatrics Certification

 

[LietKynes]

• Improved health and safety of the child(ren) and mother
• Improved parenting skills
• Improved family functioning
• Reduced substance abuse
• Improved life management skills of the mother

DHS also offers treatment services for alcoholism and addiction through an extensive treatment provider network throughout the state of Illinois.

Snipped for brevity.

Yes, well, it looks like JC met none of those requirements.
To whom did she show " Improved "... anything ?
Did she 'display' her "improved parenting skills " to AF Sr. , who has also been accused of multiple counts of murder ?

The link in this thread alludes to concerned neighbors and relatives sounding the alarm for years !
This mistreatment by both parents was constant for as long as AJ was with them.

She never met any of the above criteria , and she never reduced her drug use. Her mug shots display this.
She never gave a single damn.

Both of those children may have had to 'forage' for their food, as when she was high-- she would've been unable to prepare meals for them or care for them in any way.
Either passed out, shooting up, or beating AJ. (or both boys)
A literal hell on earth, of the 'parents' making.
Amazing that both of them didn't starve before AJ's eventual murder.

And yet DCFS thought all was going well.
Imo.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

We don't have a right to know anything at all about P or the new baby. They law protects their privacy.

JMO

Good point! I’m going to respect the privacy of all the other children. They’ve been through more than enough already.
jmo

 

[osu]

Ita !

And, according to the link --AJ was punished for not washing and drying the dishes the "right way."
A 5 year old.
Any excuse for those incompetent fools to abuse AJ.

Yes, his dad said in the affidavit that AJ didn’t stack the dishes properly after washing them. When asked about it, AFsr said that AJ lied because he told them, “I didn't stack them”.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't think the baby can be adopted. Her parental rights may be terminated, voluntarily or involutarily, but the dad's, whoever he us, would still have rights. If he chose to, he could sue for custody and the adoptive parents could lose the baby. Plus, for all we know, and purely speculation, the father could be a decent person with all the provisions to take care of the baby. He just made a bad choice in sleeping with her, whether he paid or not.

JC is unmarried. The father has to go to court, establish paternity and ask a judge for parenting time. I doubt that happens because DCFS will intervene.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Not sure how much work AF can do from home with no hydro.

There was water at the time. Obvious since AJ was put in a shower for a long period of time prior to his horrific death
Plus AJ being forced to do dishes.