IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[bluesneakers]

Exactly! I think illness makes more sense. Die from disease and wife gets nothing but standard death benefits after stressfull and maybe expensive medical or die on duty and wife gets money?

And he wouldn't have to suffer through painful treatments and losing his dignity.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not sure how he or anyone else could know this.

No one would. We like to think we know what those close to us our thinking, but we don't. I also think if he had suicidal thoughts his son is not the person he would share them with.

 

[vestigare]

Do we know he was still smoking? The marlboro pack picture was apparently from 2007. Wouldn't his wife and kids know if he was terminally ill?

There is no reason to believe anyone but his doctor would know he was ill. Spouses hide terminal illnesses from each other all the time We also do not know that she did not know and hasn't said something because she doesn't find it relevant. We also don't know if she didn't know he was going to commit suicide.

No, I don't know when he stopped smoking but stopping doesn't mean you won't later develope cancer and he could have had some other terminal illness as well.

It was just the packs of cigs that made me think he could be ill.

 

[vestigare]

I think we should cut the kid some slack and not criticize him for these thoughts and statements.

I don't believe anyone was criticizing him. Just stating a fact that you can never know what another person has thought. and Donald Gliniewicz isn't a kid. He is an adult serving in the military.

 

[bluesneakers]

There is no reason to believe anyone but his doctor.would know he was ill. Spouses hide terminal illnesses from each other. We also do not know rhat she did not know and hasn't said something because she doesn't find it relevant. We also don't know if she didn't know he wasngoing to commit suicide.

No, I don't know when he stopped smoking but stopping doesn't mean you won't later develope cancer and he could have had some other terminal illness as well.

It was just the packs of cigs that made me think he could be ill.

I have a relative who had an x-ray come back questionable and is having more tests done.She quit 20 years ago. I hope it's just a scare. She's a tough woman who did the right thing by quitting and it wasn't easy.

Many Lung Cancer Patients Stopped Smoking Years Before Diagnosis

July 14, 2010 (Los Angeles, California) — Much of what people think they know about smoking and lung cancer might be wrong, according to findings presented here at the 11th International Lung Cancer Conference.

For example, many if not most patients with a history of smoking quit decades before. In a retrospective study of 626 people with lung cancer treated at a tertiary-care facility in Southern California, 482 (77%) had a history of smoking.

Of those, only 71 patients (14.7%) were still smoking at the time of their diagnosis. Of the remaining 411 patients, 245 (60%) had not smoked for a mean of 18 years, 8 of whom had quit 51 to 60 years earlier. The other 166 (40%) had stopped smoking within 10 years of their diagnosis.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/725138

 

[TheDuchess]

FWIW terminal cancer would immediately show up on an autopsy and would be part of the determination of the MOD.

As far as the son, I think what he is actually trying to say is that based upon growing up with him as a father and a husband to his mother, and everything he knows about this man, that he believes with every fiber of his being that he dad never had a suicidal thought in his life. Good enough for me. I am taking his words to heart, as I have been picturing the family slowly coming to the realization of a potential suicide. But his kid is pretty clear that neither he nor his family believe this was a suicide based upon what they know about him and the investigation.

Even though I have been flirting with the fence, I am still sitting atop strongly looking at homicide.

 

[katydid23]

Sure. But why quote my post, when I wasn't criticizing him?

Seemed like borderline criticism, saying he couldn't know what his father was thinking. I just feel protective of the family members, that's all.

 

[Tillicum]

For all we know CG may have had very strong opinions against suicide and voiced them to his family. Possibly recently before his death. We just don't know.

 

[katydid23]

There is no reason to believe anyone but his doctor would know he was ill. Spouses hide terminal illnesses from each other all the time We also do not know that she did not know and hasn't said something because she doesn't find it relevant. We also don't know if she didn't know he was going to commit suicide.

No, I don't know when he stopped smoking but stopping doesn't mean you won't later develope cancer and he could have had some other terminal illness as well.

It was just the packs of cigs that made me think he could be ill.

I watched my grandfather die of terminal lung cancer. There was no way he could have hid his illness from those close to him.

If Lt. G had 4th stage lung cancer, imo, his family would have seen the symptoms. It is not pretty.

 

[cady]

There is no reason to believe anyone but his doctor would know he was ill. Spouses hide terminal illnesses from each other all the time We also do not know that she did not know and hasn't said something because she doesn't find it relevant. We also don't know if she didn't know he was going to commit suicide.

No, I don't know when he stopped smoking but stopping doesn't mean you won't later develope cancer and he could have had some other terminal illness as well.

It was just the packs of cigs that made me think he could be ill.

My best friend died of lung cancer 20 years after he had quit smoking. JMO......no symptoms visible to me, diagnosed in March of 2006 and died after radiation and chemo 6months later.

 

[vestigare]

FWIW terminal cancer would immediately show up on an autopsy and would be part of the determination of the MOD.

As far as the son, I think what he is actually trying to say is that based upon growing up with him as a father and a husband to his mother, and everything he knows about this man, that he believes with every fiber of his being that he dad never had a suicidal thought in his life. Good enough for me. I am taking his words to heart, as I have been picturing the family slowly coming to the realization of a potential suicide. But his kid is pretty clear that neither he nor his family believe this was a suicide based upon what they know about him and the investigation.

Even though I have been flirting with the fence, I am still sitting atop strongly looking at homicide.

I am not sure What tests were performed during a gunshot autopsy. This wasn't a death where the cause was unknown and they weighed the lungs and heart and looked for heart attack or poisoning. They were looking at a gunshot wound. Angle of entrance. Stippling, tatooing, bruising. Gathering forensics.

They probably weren't doing much else. They might have noticed cancerous cells under a microscope during other tests but what if he blew a hole in his chest for that reason?

 

[katydid23]

I have a relative who had an x-ray come back questionable and is having more tests done.She quit 20 years ago. I hope it's just a scare. She's a tough woman who did the right thing by quitting and it wasn't easy.

Many Lung Cancer Patients Stopped Smoking Years Before Diagnosis



http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/725138

But is the x-ray showing she is 'terminal?' People are saying the officer had a 'terminal' illness. It takes a lot of lung cancer to be diagnosed as terminal. And by that time, the symptoms are very noticeable. He would not be keeping his illness a secret.

 

[DexterMorgan]

If true; I'm sure that his computer searches would show if he was googling cancer treatments or symptoms or whatever. Plus his medical provider would know if he had a biopsy done or whatever. Plus the coroner would know by now if he had cancer.

So maybe the coroner knows that there is a possible reason why he may have wanted to commit suicide. But are waiting for LE to give him enough to say this is a homicide. Idk

 

[Big Bread]

Here is my attempt at posting a few pics of Joe from his FB from back in September of last year. It appears that this occurred shortly after him doing the race in Hawaii. Someone wished him luck with the arm and heal quickly, which makes me think surgery. But the way the scars look, I am thinking injury. I am not a doctor, but it also appears that there is an older scar as well, but not sure.

Not sure what I am thinking is the nature of the injury or surgery at this point. Was just wondering if it might have something that happened in the line of duty, or if it caused him ongoing issues. Obviously he did the race just prior and looked amazing!

That said, there has been a lot of talk about how physically fit he was, but just wondering if the injury may have caused him to be less capable of defending himself or anything like that.

Still having a difficult time with the suicide angle. He just appears to be such a level headed, likable guy with a sense of humor. If he was having that many financial difficulties, a trip to Hawaii for a race wouldn't seem logical, and he seems extremely logical.

Again...none of this is making any sense at all.

Thanks for the pics Duchess. IMO, I don't believe he was considering his finances so much last year. He made a comment more recently that he was not going to participate in Ultra Beast because of the money. I believe, more recently, he was very concerned about his future financial situation.

He sure ran a lot, didn't he? Makes me doubt the lung cancer or terminal disease theory a bit more. He was in great shape. At least in good enough shape to apply for the chief of police opening in Antioch.

In addition, son #3 just graduated High School last May. So with sons #1 and #2 both in college, now he's got a third son going in the same direction.

And the fact that he got passed over for the chief of police position last July. Well, I believe that was a huge disappointment for him. That Facebook post got a large number of comments, over 25. One can tell from reading those comments that many people including him were hoping for a different outcome.

 

[vestigare]

For all we know CG may have had very strong opinions against suicide and voiced them to his family. Possibly recently before his death. We just don't know.

Could have been his way to throw them off them scent for what he had planned...

 

[katydid23]

My best friend died of lung cancer 20 years after he had quit smoking. JMO......no symptoms visible to me, diagnosed in March of 2006 and died after radiation and chemo 6months later.

I am sorry to hear that. :hug:

I am surprised there were no visible symptoms. No coughing, no shortness of breath? Every lung cancer patient I have known had severe coughing fits and shortness of breath. Maybe some people are able to bypass that, IDK.

 

[vestigare]

I watched my grandfather die of terminal lung cancer. There was no way he could have hid his illness from those close to him.

If Lt. G had 4th stage lung cancer, imo, his family would have seen the symptoms. It is not pretty.

Who said what stage it was?

Maybe he had esophageal cancer?

 

[katydid23]

Who said what stage it was?

Maybe he had esophageal cancer?

People were saying 'TERMINAL illness.' It wouldnt make sense to kill yourself if it was stage one or two, imo.

 

[bluesneakers]

But is the x-ray showing she is 'terminal?' People are saying the officer had a 'terminal' illness. It takes a lot of lung cancer to be diagnosed as terminal. And by that time, the symptoms are very noticeable. He would not be keeping his illness a secret.

I think people are suggesting it as a possibility.

If he suspected he had it, or had only one test come back positive, maybe that was enough for him to want to check out.

 

[vestigare]

My best friend died of lung cancer 20 years after he had quit smoking. JMO......no symptoms visible to me, diagnosed in March of 2006 and died after radiation and chemo 6months later.

Me too.
Had friend die of lung cancer in 2006 she was diagnosed and died all within six months. No symptoms at first but she got bad quick. She hadnt smoked in twenty years.