IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[cady]

But is the x-ray showing she is 'terminal?' People are saying the officer had a 'terminal' illness. It takes a lot of lung cancer to be diagnosed as terminal. And by that time, the symptoms are very noticeable. He would not be keeping his illness a secret.

It is being discussed as a POSSIBILITY that's all. No allegations. If this is a homicide, who did it and why? If it is a suicide, WHY? JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

Me too.
Had friend die of lung cancer in 2006 she was diagnosed and died all within six months. No symptoms at first but she got bad quick. She hadnt smoked in twenty years.

Sympathies to both you and cady.

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[vestigare]

If true; I'm sure that his computer searches would show if he was googling cancer treatments or symptoms or whatever. Plus his medical provider would know if he had a biopsy done or whatever. Plus the coroner would know by now if he had cancer.

So maybe the coroner knows that there is a possible reason why he may have wanted to commit suicide. But are waiting for LE to give him enough to say this is a homicide. Idk

HIPAA which I posted earlier in the thread is going to make it difficult for the coroner to get his medical in this case since t was a gunshot death and not unknown. his GP would say nothing without family consent or court order.

And I doubt the task force have looked at his computer because they believe this was homicide.

 

[katydid23]

It is being discussed as a POSSIBILITY that's all. No allegations. If this is a homicide, who did it and why? If it is a suicide, WHY? JMO

I get that. And people are saying he was a smoker with a terminal case of cancer. And i am questioning that assumption. I think his long history of running marathons indicates he was not that heavy of a smoker, if he smoked at all.

And I believe that if he had a terminal case of cancer then his loved ones would have seen tell tale symptoms.

It is fione for people to speculate, but it is also OK to question the speculation, right?

 

[katydid23]

HIPAA which I posted earlier in the thread is going to make it difficult for the coroner to get his medical in this case since t was a gunshot death and not unknown. his GP would say nothing without family consent or court order.

And I doubt the task force have looked at his computer because they believe this was homicide.

I disagree with the BBM.

I think the task force would look at the computer BECAUSE it was a possible homicide.

 

[vestigare]

People were saying 'TERMINAL illness.' It wouldnt make sense to kill yourself if it was stage one or two, imo.

Suicide rarely makes sense to anyone but the person committing it.

 

[vestigare]

I disagree with the BBM.

I think the task force would look at the computer BECAUSE it was a possible homicide.

Why would his home computer searches matter to some suspicious persons killing him down at the cement yard? What PC would there be for the search warrant?

 

[cady]

I get that. And people are saying he was a smoker with a terminal case of cancer. And i am questioning that assumption. I think his long history of running marathons indicates he was not that heavy of a smoker, if he smoked at all.

And I believe that if he had a terminal case of cancer then his loved ones would have seen tell tale symptoms.

It is fione for people to speculate, but it is also OK to question the speculation, right?

Sure it's OK but no one is definitively stating that he had cancer or any other illness. Maybe he quit smoking in 2007 after the photo with the 2 packs of cigs in his visor was taken......as I sit here chain-smoking....... No big deal, that is not what killed him, anyway. Just trying to think of motives. JMO

 

[Chuz Life]

I've been thinking about that. Wondering why he would actually choose that scenario if he actually saw them. Was it random? Why would he choose to use 3 subjects that could easily be cleared and point suspicion onto himself. I would imagine if this was suicide he had thought about it for some time and thought through every scenario. He knew exactly how the case would be investigated. Why even go there?


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That is what I am trying to resolve. What could his reasoning be to include such a statistical improbability for that area?

This is why I believe the Lt's 'suicide' may have been unintentional.

The only way it makes sense (to me) - is that the Lt would not have been AS worried about implicating others - if he were to survive his staged assault. It seems plausible that he thought that he could stage an assault, implicate three vaguely described 'attackers' and then rule out possible suspects himself. He might have thought that none of the other investigating officers would check his own hands for GPR or he might have thought that he could explain it away as "the gun fired during the struggle."

Who Knows?

Regardless, he did not do as much as he could have done to make the alleged struggle look more convincing. And that makes it look more like a more intentional suicide rather than an unintentional one. Because, his emotions would be a much larger factor in an intentional death.

In writing this, I realize too that he could have started to stage the assault with an intent to have it be only that. . . and then decided to kill himself at some point when he realized it was not going the way he had planned.

Regardless, the evidence has to agree with and support any final conclusions and that is what I am trying to do by incorporating everything we know (so far) about the case.

For me, the nearing retirement was a factor, the hype in the media about "black lives matter" was a factor, the inner department investigations were a factor, his obsession with his image and reputation was a factor, his family's financial situation was a factor, his loss of the chief position was a factor, etc.

We can only speculate about other factors like his health, corruption, did he have a mistress who was about to out him?, etc. So, I try to leave speculations out of it as much as I can.

The question becomes (for me); "How likely would the Lt have been able to manage the situation and the following investigation - had he succeeded in staging a fake assault?" How likely on unlikely would he have been able to pull that off, make himself look like a survivor/ victim, etc? Had he survived, would he have been in a position to manage and to control any investigations? I don't know.

Since he did not survive, we can only guess about that part.

 

[katydid23]

Why would his home computer searches matter to some suspicious persons killing him down at the cement yard? What PC would there be for the search warrant?

Because any time an officer with 30+ years on the street is gunned down, the investigators are going to see if there were threats or indications that someone was after him.

 

[vestigare]

I get that. And people are saying he was a smoker with a terminal case of cancer. And i am questioning that assumption. I think his long history of running marathons indicates he was not that heavy of a smoker, if he smoked at all.

And I believe that if he had a terminal case of cancer then his loved ones would have seen tell tale symptoms.

It is fione for people to speculate, but it is also OK to question the speculation, right?

Of course you can question my speculation. I welcome the back and forth because it helps me think out things more.

Like I said the cigs merely led to the thought that he might have been sick.

 

[Chuz Life]

Sure it's OK but no one is definitively stating that he had cancer or any other illness. Maybe he quit smoking in 2007 after the photo with the 2 packs of cigs in his visor was taken......as I sit here chain-smoking....... No big deal, that is not what killed him, anyway. Just trying to think of motives. JMO

It's a bit off subject but I just lost my father (not too long ago) and he died of lung cancer - despite the fact that he had not smoked in more than 20 years. He was a very heavy smoker before he quit.

 

[vestigare]

Because any time an officer with 30+ years on the street is gunned down, the investigators are going to see if there were threats or indications that someone was after him.

Hmm... I am not sure a judge is going to buy that for a warrant but stranger things have hAppened. Of course the family could turn it over sans warrant.

Question is would Filenko look for searches regarding cancer, illness, suicide, death benefits? Or just focus on searches or emails regarding hitmen?

 

[DexterMorgan]

HIPAA which I posted earlier in the thread is going to make it difficult for the coroner to get his medical in this case since t was a gunshot death and not unknown. his GP would say nothing without family consent or court order.

And I doubt the task force have looked at his computer because they believe this was homicide.

Agree. But I'm sure the coroner will still know if he atleast had lung cancer just by looking at the lungs. Jmo.

But you are right. He could put in a request through the courts if he is still thinking suicide to avoid death by terminal illness.

 

[katydid23]

Hmm... I am not sure a judge is going to buy that for a warrant but stranger things have hAppened. Of course the family could turn it over sans warrant.

Question is would Filenko look for searches regarding cancer, illness, suicide, death benefits? Or just focus on searches or emails regarding hitmen?

They would not need a warrant if the family said SURE , here's the computer. Why wouldn't they want the investigators try and see what happened?

Filenko would not be looking. It would be the IT guys. They look at everything interesting.

 

[vestigare]

Sure it's OK but no one is definitively stating that he had cancer or any other illness. Maybe he quit smoking in 2007 after the photo with the 2 packs of cigs in his visor was taken......as I sit here chain-smoking....... No big deal, that is not what killed him, anyway. Just trying to think of motives. JMO

I have family members in their 90's who have been smoking since they were ten and their lungs seem fine.

And lots of non smokers die of lung cancer too. So for my part in this cancer talk it was just the cigs struck me as odd considering he was this fitness freak and it made me think maybe he was ill which would explain the suicide some.

 

[vestigare]

This is why I believe the Lt's 'suicide' may have been unintentional.

The only way it makes sense (to me) - is that the Lt would not have been AS worried about implicating others - if he were to survive his staged assault. It seems plausible that he thought that he could stage an assault, implicate three vaguely described 'attackers' and then rule out possible suspects himself. He might have thought that none of the other investigating officers would check his own hands for GPR or he might have thought that he could explain it away as "the gun fired during the struggle."

Who Knows?

Regardless, he did not do as much as he could have done to make the alleged struggle look more convincing. And that makes it look more like a more intentional suicide rather than an unintentional one. Because, his emotions would be a much larger factor in an intentional death.

In writing this, I realize too that he could have started to stage the assault with an intent to have it be only that. . . and then decided to kill himself at some point when he realized it was not going the way he had planned.

Regardless, the evidence has to agree with and support any final conclusions and that is what I am trying to do by incorporating everything we know (so far) about the case.

For me, the nearing retirement was a factor, the hype in the media about "black lives matter" was a factor, the inner department investigations were a factor, his obsession with his image and reputation was a factor, his family's financial situation was a factor, his loss of the chief position was a factor, etc.

We can only speculate about other factors like his health, corruption, did he have a mistress who was about to out him?, etc. So, I try to leave speculations out of it as much as I can.

The question becomes (for me); "How likely would the Lt have been able to manage the situation and the following investigation - had he succeeded in staging a fake assault?" How likely on unlikely would he have been able to pull that off, make himself look like a survivor/ victim, etc? Had he survived, would he have been in a position to manage and to control any investigations? I don't know.

Since he did not survive, we can only guess about that part.

Where to start?

If he went out there to stage an incident he probably could have gotten away with it pretty easily so long as he stuck to his story. I can't see a department investigating their own on something like this. Where he would have had problems was the back up call. He had to have known where he was going with this before that request if this scenario is that he fabricated it all.

Because once back up arrived and he wasn't dead but only hurt and it was his gun used, but he still has the gun or the gun found nearby with no other prints and backup finds no suspects things are not adding up quick for him.

So once accepted backup I think he had a pretty good idea he was not going to be around to control any investigation. His death I think led to the investigation turning to the suspects easier than had he survived once back up arrived the request.

Hopefully I understtod your post...

 

[cady]

Just a note. I read that Snap Fitness Club was the one he and his wife belong (ed) to. I looked on googlemap and it IS north of both the crime scene and the PD, for what it's worth. We do not know if he worked out that morning, though. JMO

 

[vestigare]

Agree. But I'm sure the coroner will still know if he atleast had lung cancer just by looking at the lungs. Jmo.

But you are right. He could put in a request through the courts if he is still thinking suicide to avoid death by terminal illness.

Assuming he had much left of his lungs to look at after a .40 calibre gunshot at point blank range directly to them? Or that the coroner was looking for cancer in all that wound mess.

At this point any court order would require an exhumation.

 

[vestigare]

They would not need a warrant if the family said SURE , here's the computer. Why wouldn't they want the investigators try and see what happened?

Filenko would not be looking. It would be the IT guys. They look at everything interesting.

Yeah, I said the family could turn it over sans warrant. That means without warrant.
The family might have lots of reasons not to turn it over.

They may know he was ill.
They may know he was corrupt.

They may not trust the task force now that talk has turned to suicide and they could lose their benefits.

They may know police and know you.should never turn anything over to the police withouit a warrant, no matter how much you think they are helping.

Who do you think IT would be reporting to? Filenko is the task force chief.