IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[Woe.be.gone]

Here is how I see it. You have a task force who wants to believe the people existed. They initially called them suspects. Then there was a group of three who were thought to be the suspects but for various reasons were cleared and have nothing to do with this case and this is even clear to the task force because of overwhelming evidence even the FBi has seen. But the task force doesn't want to concede they never existed so they change it to persons of interest and hope and pray they hit the lottery and there is another group of the out there that gliniewicz did see.

They aren't protecting anyone because there aren't anyone. Those three from what gather were a huge coincidence to begin with.

Someone could have been holding a gun to his head.
His voice sounded funny - has it been confirmed that's how he sounded in the days leading to his death?

I'm all over the place within my own imagination now.

 

[vestigare]

Would a few LE cover up a murder if the Lt. had the goods on the department (the part about the internal investigationS)?

This is so bad.

Could you expound on that?

 

[WI1987]

Ive been following this case since the beginning and at first I thought this was a homicide but now, with absolutely no evidence of this trio of 'suspects' I don't really know what to say. My gut feeling is that this will probably turn out to be suicide or some sort of accidental/self inflicted shooting.

I know alot of people, and especially alot of LEOs, want to think "GI Joe" went out in a blaze of glory but I just can't see it based on what we - the public - have been told. Maybe the investigators have solid evidence that the gunshots were not self-inflicted. I don't know. I also wonder if it was indeed self inflicted if other LEOs made it look like a homicide, could that have happened here?

 

[vestigare]

Ive been following this case since the beginning and at first I thought this was a homicide but now, with absolutely no evidence of this trio of 'suspects' I don't really know what to say. My gut feeling is that this will probably turn out to be suicide or some sort of accidental/self inflicted shooting.

I know alot of people, and especially alot of LEOs, want to think "GI Joe" went out in a blaze of glory but I just can't see it based on what we - the public - have been told. Maybe the investigators have solid evidence that the gunshots were not self-inflicted. I don't know. I also wonder if it was indeed self inflicted if other LEOs made it look like a homicide, could that have happened here?

I thought for about half a second he may have tripped and shot himself but they quickly said.he was shot twice and now.with the location I can't see.how it was an accident unless he meant to shoot himself and accidentally killed himself.

It is possible the first on the scene did something but they didn't call in the three suspects with doubtful existences.

I think the first on the scene knew he was dead once he saw him. He sure didn't look to keenly for weapons and wanted lots of backup.

 

[Sonya610]

The best scenario for this group is that it's the black suspect's vehicle and he's got a 13-14 minute head start to get out of town neutralizing Fox Lake's caucasian dominated demographics and the 2 white guys split up and continued with business as usual (especially if they're locals)

When I first heard about the manhunt for the 3 guys I thought the only way they will get away with this is if one of them kills one or both of the others.

When three people are involved in a crime as serious as this the chances are very good that at least one of them will tell someone and then all three go down for it.

Very interesting to read it now appears to be a suicide. I believe they initially thought it was murder, and they rushed to find the perps. For some reason once the big manhunt started it didn't stop even when the evidence wasn't lining up. The amount of money that was spent AND the invasion into people's homes etc...was terrible if it could have been avoided.

 

[vestigare]

Bataglia voice message to abc7

http://abc7chicago.com/news/fox-lake-threat-then-call-to-i-team/986230/

 

[Tillicum]

I don't think this has been posted here yet?

For every fact confirmed by the task force, an equal number of rumors and bizarre theories have been floated in coffee shops and taverns in the northern suburbs. But Covelli bristled at suggestions by some, that a potential Gliniewicz suicide might have been swept under the rug.
“There is absolutely, positively, no coverup,” Covelli said. And he insisted that the investigation is as robust as it was in the beginning.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...e-Officers-Death-327782701.html#ixzz3lrbtEB00
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[Skel]

Skel, do you have thoughts about how the cabin could fit into the crime?
I don't believe there's been discussion about a particular cabin.

I don't know what to think anymore. I just find it really odd that this building is located closer than any other building to the crime scene and it has not been mentioned nor can I find any record of it - tax, etc.

When I first saw it I thought that it may have played a part as to why Lt. CG may have been patrolling the area, at that time. And another thought I had (a while back) was that if 3 individuals were near here and spotted and ran, maybe there were others with them not spotted and provided an ambush. All of this seems doubtful now.

 

[Tillicum]

A retired Chicago police officer accused of making phone calls threatening to hurt investigators of an Illinois officer's fatal shooting unless they declared the death a suicide was released from jail Tuesday after posting bond, a sheriff's official and his lawyer said.
http://www.fox32chicago.com/mobile-news-feed/20044858-story

 

[Big Bread]

Don't police cars have GPS tracking devices? They probably won't share this info, but I really would like to know Gliniewicz's location and route throughout the morning of Sept. 1.

 

[Tillicum]

:notgood: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/962114/hold-police-coroner-continue-clash-fox-lake-cop-case

 

[fraudqueen]

Don't police cars have GPS tracking devices? They probably won't share this info, but I really would like to know Gliniewicz's location and route throughout the morning of Sept. 1.

Some departments have them on every car now, but some departments don't.

 

[stg]

What really irritates me about the call about the 3 is that a black guy just had to be included in the 3. If there really were no perps, throwing a black guy in the mix was sure to alert Agencies above and beyond local PD. Because of the tensions between BLM and LE. If the 3 people did not exist, CG deliberately took advantage of that tension to further his plan. That is not heroic. That is really dirty. We all know that it was next to impossible in Fox Lake, to find two white males, but two white males with a back guy, would raise the panic flag. I suspect that the big manhunt was to find the black guy. We really have enough difficulty with racial tension, without that exacerbation of the issue, to serve one person's purpose. JMO

My theory is that the Lt. did indeed see a black man and two white men nearby, who were the men caught on video and cleared, and just used them to set up his suicide to look like a homocide with those 3 "suspects." So, I don't know if he would have included a black man if he did not really see one, which I agree would be unnecessary. Would still be horrible to implicate three innocent men, but at least they were cleared. Just a theory.

 

[night train]

I don't know what to think anymore. I just find it really odd that this building is located closer than any other building to the crime scene and it has not been mentioned nor can I find any record of it - tax, etc.

When I first saw it I thought that it may have played a part as to why Lt. CG may have been patrolling the area, at that time. And another thought I had (a while back) was that if 3 individuals were near here and spotted and ran, maybe there were others with them not spotted and provided an ambush. All of this seems doubtful now.

I'm still open to all possibilities.Great pick up assuming it still exists.The south western portion of the site has always been number one on my radar as a point of low profile stealthy entry/exit for at least one suspect.There's odd ambiguous parking locations and roads,a bridge over a swamp....then add a beat up cabin or whatever it may be.

 

[Montjoy]

:notgood: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/962114/hold-police-coroner-continue-clash-fox-lake-cop-case

I didn't read the Sun-Times that often when I lived in Chicagoland, but that's a decent article. Good reporting.

 

[i.b.nora]

From the NBC article posted above, Chris Covelli, Cmdr Filenko's sidekick had this to say:

For every fact confirmed by the task force, an equal number of rumors and bizarre theories have been floated in coffee shops and taverns in the northern suburbs. But Covelli bristled at suggestions by some, that a potential Gliniewicz suicide might have been swept under the rug.

“There is absolutely, positively, no coverup,” Covelli said. And he insisted that the investigation is as robust as it was in the beginning.

“We have just as many, if not more people working on it today, as there were two weeks ago,” he said.”​

Malarky.

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[Solitaryone]

I think Lt.Gliniewicz saw the three men who were cleared that morning and incorporated them into his cover story. He may have believed that if found they'd be cleared. Maybe part of his plan if he had a plan was to give a vague description of someone(s) suspicious, he saw these three guys, radioed-in a generic description and then finished what he set out to do. Maybe he thought by the time anyone would be ID'd and cleared, the media attention and the investigation would have reached a point of no return, and his suicide would be classified as a murder even if it was to become clear it was not. I don't think we'll ever know, but something like that is what I think happened with regard to the three "suspects".

 

[Solitaryone]

:notgood: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/962114/hold-police-coroner-continue-clash-fox-lake-cop-case

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/962114/hold-police-coroner-continue-clash-fox-lake-cop-case

Police, coroner keep clashing in Fox Lake cop case
Written By BY RUTH FULLER Special to Sun-Times Posted: 09/15/2015, 04:49pm

"Investigators looking into the death of a Fox Lake Police officer met with the pathologist who performed his autopsy without the knowledge of the Lake County coroner, underscoring the strained relationship between the police and the coroner in the case, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

The meeting concerning slain officer Charles Joseph Gliniewicz was held last week, at 10 a.m. Wednesday, at the Round Lake Police Department, where Lake County Major Crimes Task Force Cmdr. George Filenko is police chief.

Pathologist Manny Montez confirmed that he attended the meeting, along with Filenko, other members of the task force and members of the FBI. Representatives of the Lake County state’s attorney’s office also attended. “They called me and told me to be present, so I showed up,” Montez said. “We went over my findings. They had copies of my sketches because I haven’t finalized my [autopsy] report yet.”

Lake County Coroner Thomas A. Rudd said he was “totally confused” when he learned about the meeting.“I was not invited to the meeting and I have just found out that the meeting occurred,” Rudd said. Montez is a contracted employee of the coroner and reports his findings to Rudd, who makes the final determination on the cause of death.

Rudd, however, said that the task force’s actions thus far would not affect their relationship.

“I’ll continue to work and cooperate as a professional,” he said."

Much more at link. Geesh, what a freakin' mess!

 

[Solitaryone]

My theory is that the Lt. did indeed see a black man and two white men nearby, who were the men caught on video and cleared, and just used them to set up his suicide to look like a homocide with those 3 "suspects." So, I don't know if he would have included a black man if he did not really see one, which I agree would be unnecessary. Would still be horrible to implicate three innocent men, but at least they were cleared. Just a theory.

I think the same. I think he saw these three and used them for his cover story. I doubt he had any racial motivation. He had to have seen them since the three "suspects" were found and cleared.

 

[cassandval]

I still stick with my original theory that high school kids did it. That explains the quietness of the investigation. If they are minors, I think the police are waiting them out. I don't know whether or not the two boys who disappeared that day have gone home yet. I think one of them did go home. I think the PD knows exactly who they are looking for, so they don't need the feds anymore.

JMO