Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #3 *Arrest*

[shimmyshimmyshake]

Could he have lured her with the prospect of an apartment? He would be moving out I presume so it may have been true and then turned sinister. He communicated about the apartment, then looked her up online and thought she would be a good victim. He then followed her and that day, he said, "You are looking for an apartment? wow, such a coincidence but we talked online about MY apartment. Why don't you come see it now??"

That scenario would actually answer alot of questions for me as it would explain why she got in the car. Why she got in the car is what most puzzles me. If he had communicated with her before or if she communicated with him and he had mentioned a wife or girlfriend, she maybe would have gotten in the car.

I wonder if there were any apartment listings on Craigslist or an equivalent around that time?


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[GigTu]

When a control freak lost his PhD candidacy, he felt the powerlessness. He is mad and he need find something to regain his power. It would be very interesting to checking the timing of when BC was forced to quit PHD and when He started Fetlife.
I bet that is how he tried to regain his ego: abduct a young female, enslave her sexually, or even kill her. See how happy he was in the rally and see how mad he was in the mugshot. Before being caught, he enjoyed being in control including enjoying the victim family suffering in person. Once he caught, he was as mad as monster.

According to Lance Cooper, BC unexpectedly and without a known cause had voluntary quit the PhD program. I "think" last fall at the beginning of the 2016 Fall semester or even earlier, in the spring....

ETA - I am mistaken. He dropped out even earlier, it was the Spring of 2016 that he dropped out of the PhD program. A whole year before graduation.

 

[GigTu]

I kind of remember that BC worked in construction before. Could he use cemet to bury her in land or water?

He claimed to be a roofer who had fallen off a roof and broken both of his arms.

 

[Eileen730]

I think his alter world took over his real world.
I dont think this was planned but i think he drove past her saw her she instantly caught her attention...

 

[Eileen730]

He claimed to be a roofer who had fallen off a roof and broken both of his arms.

Shame he did t break his neck!

 

[GigTu]

garbage disposals, modern windmills are powerful converting mechanisms that once they start to move, you cannot stop them or recover from them.

They are spinning things that operate under control of a motor or wind. They can be stopped with a switch off of power, or applying the breaks - respectively.

 

[GigTu]

Thanks. Anyway, losing his PHD may be a trigger of his evil...

I think quitting was a symptom, not the trigger.

 

[GigTu]

I was a student at UofI a long long time ago. We used to play Dungeons and Dragons in those tunnels. They were a lot of sewer connections to those tunnels. I thing that is where he put her and its a matter finding her body down there and not having a lot of well meaning searchers going in there.

Without traipsing through nasty sewer drains, is there other access outside of the university? He lost access to UI after graduation, didn't he?

 

[daisy.faithfull]

There is a Bring Justice To Yingying and Her Family rally scheduled today at 2pm outside the courthouse.

https://www.facebook.com/events/1376741722433524/?ti=icl

 

[GigTu]

Apparently, the FBI has been known to go undercover on FetLife. Maybe that's what happened here.

http://www.wtma.com/news/what-we-know-about-the-fetlife-fetish-site/

The Illinois case is not the first time FetLife has been mentioned in a criminal investigation.

A Haverhill, New York man was charged in April with making and distributing child *advertiser censored*. Authorities say an undercover FBI task force officer first came into contact with the man on FetLife.

It's entirely possible. Good thinking. I know by law that whomever BC was bragging to had to have consented to the audio recording (because at least one party must consent), and it makes the most sense that it would be with someone who was into abductions. But, he wasn't role playing, even if they were... in faux. I imagine their eyes bugged out of their heads when he went into what happened next, which I assume is why LE believes she is no longer alive.

 

[GigTu]

For some reason, I was under the impression the landlord of the apartment Yingying was headed to was female, but now I can't find the link that gave me that impression. I know we were told that the landlord texted Yingying around 2:30 pm that day asking if she was still coming to sign the lease.

Maybe Yingying unfortunately gave too much information to BC when he drove up and he managed to think on the fly and said he was actually the landlord or the landlord's husband or something. We'll really never know the true answer because I don't believe anything BC says and it would be his account of what happened and what his conversation with Yingying was before she got into his car.

I believe him that he offered to take her to the One North apartment, and that she panicked when he made a wrong turn.

 

[WebWoman]

It's entirely possible. Good thinking. I know by law that whomever BC was bragging to had to have consented to the audio recording (because at least one party must consent), and it makes the most sense that it would be with someone who was into abductions. But, he wasn't role playing, even if they were... in faux. I imagine their eyes bugged out of their heads when he went into what happened next, which I assume is why LE believes she is no longer alive.

I don't think the person he was confessing to was an FBI agent because after that recording that took place in his apartment they took him in for questioning and while he was at headquarters it was someone who lives with him who gave permission for them to search and seize without a warrant. Had she not been cooperating all along why would she have allowed that? Plus for someone not to socialize at all with his exercise participants for years, I don't see him suddenly opening up verbally to a complete stranger.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

In the case of Bryan Patrick Miller, his ex wife has said that he had an interest in S&M that escalated to very disturbing behavior. Another possible parallel is that BPM gave a very detailed account of at least one of his crimes to her and mentioned others. They start interviewing the wife at approximately the two minute mark.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VtDz-7tVa1Q

 

[Maisiebelle]

I honestly don't believe Yingying agreed to get into his car to go and look at his apartment. It seems to me that she might have had prior interactions with him so she felt comfortable enough getting into his vehicle.


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[CKeene]

Regarding the undercover theories: There is no way the FBI would risk this case by attempting to get to him to confess through a Fetlife account - and note the forum is about fantasy and play, especially. If for some reason he decided to confess to committing a high-profile murder to a random person online, that would bring accusations of entrapment, fantasy and "There's no way to know for sure it was even my client" in court.

Remember Gilberto Valle, the "Cannibal Cop" eventually acquitted after his wife found his postings on a fetish forum about plans to abduct and eat women? His defense was it was "fantasy roleplay," and the judge overturned his conviction.

How about "To Catch A Predator," which lost dozens of charges - not even trials - due to entrapment claims?

The cases with the FBI going undercover online with child pornographers or collectors exist because they can actually get them to give them the crime by sending child *advertiser censored* or meeting up and possessing it.

Did the woman/women who claimed being stopped by a man impersonating an officer, ever confirm it was him? His hairline and beard would be pretty distinctive. For an ESL speaker in another country it would probably be pretty intimidating and confusing if a man with a badge (trustworthy) offered to give you a ride and then his story changed. That could delay any fighting up until she was in his apartment, even.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

No CKeene, we haven't seen any reports that the prior abduction attempt involved BC.

 

[Linfone]

Going back to how he (might have) got YZ into his apartment:

Yingying was going to sign a lease, not just check out any old apartments, it seems she had her heart somewhat set on the place she was making her way to - so I'm not sure if BC telling her to just go and look at his apartment instead would have swung it.

However, and I really hope this doesn't offend anyone, I say it with the utmost tenderness - I don't think we know how strong YZ's English was. When you're not completely fluent in speaking/understanding a language, and up against a strange man who is persuasive enough in any which way, you might just do what he says for fear of not wanting to say that you don't understand. That's what I think. I don't think a threat would even be needed.

That said, BC confessing to bringing her to his apartment could easily be bravado. 'Bringing a girl back' has always been a way of saying that you scored. It just sounds 'impressive'. Depends on who he was talking to, and why he was moved to make such a statement.

(If I'm misunderstanding or discrediting YZ's fluency in English, I'm genuinely sorry.)

Just wanted to respond to this: Chinese people generally don't like turning people down. At the very least, they wouldn't outright say no.

 

[Ali.]

Scary part of all this is what would have happened if there was no video? He potentially could have gotten away with it. Seriously, that video was key to catching him. I would have loved to have seen his reaction when he saw the video on the news.

A good example of what could have happened is the Elizabeth Salgado case. I see so many parallels - foreign national, just arrived in the US to pursue their education, plans to meet up with someone but vanished. I think what happened to her is likely similar to Yingying, except there was no video showing her getting into someone's car. She's never been found and as far as the public knows, LE has no solid leads about what happened to her.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...izabeth-Laguna-Salgado-26-Provo-16-April-2015

Very thankful for the video in this case. I hope Yingying will be found so her parents can bring her home.

 

[roche.analisa]

It may be different at other schools but at Urbana-Champaign, where I got mine, this kind of status is even a factor in when one is advised to go on the market for jobs. It is fairly routine for PhD candidates to begin to seek employment while PhD students are discouraged from doing so. Again, I brought this up not because employers are necessarily steeped in these distinctions or will catch someone who misrepresents their level of training. People out there fake having college degrees altogether. I was making an inference based on the inaccurate information he posted to his LinkredIn profile as to his character and state of mind at the time of the murder.

Is it possible the LinkedIn profile is just old and was not updated after he left the program?

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[AnemoneBrown]

Is it possible the LinkedIn profile is just old and was not updated after he left the program?

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No because what he claims he has achieved on that profile is more that he achieved while in school.