Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #162

[FromGermany1]

This is a really simple point and I’m sure you’ve all talked about it but I still want to say how incredible it is that no one was able to say that’s Richard Allen on the bridge. If that was your husband/ boyfriend/ relative, and you lived in Delphi, how on Earth do you not say that’s him. Or at the very least- that could be him. Same clothes/voice/ stature. I don’t want to blame police or locals because I don’t know enough about what they were dealing with and I’ve no idea what Delphi is like but I do find it staggering that no one apprehended this man before. Those poor girls. And they did so much to try to identify him too. It’s baffling to me that he went unnoticed.

Lessons need to be learned. Surely you interview everyone around. How many people live in the vicinity? How many are males? How many in the age range? How many look like the man who was actually filmed?! Don’t let anyone just carry on their business. Apprehend and question hundreds - thousands if needs be. Get some specialist interviewers in. Like The Behaviour Panel guys. These girls deserved for him to be caught immediately.

Maybe, the trick is, that one single person in this whole crime doesn't come from nearby, but from let's-say Indianapolis (or a similar distant town/city). RA is the suspect, yes. Who knows, who played an important role in addition? Is that the one person, who is finally exactly looking like the wanted BG (young version)?? IMO, RA is not looking like I expected and also is never looking as if much younger than his age. I doubt, that RA's hair in 2017 was reddish-brown. Height/weight are canceled for the wanted man; we don't know, for what reason this was unusually-wise done.
RA is our alleged killer, but I am somehow waiting for the man, who is looking like YBG. Will we ever learn of him, IF he exists?

 

[FrostedGlass]

Do you live in the U.S.? It would be illegal for law enforcement to do that here. No one can be arrested with out probable cause, and no one has to answer questions asked by police. In fact, no one with a functioning brain would talk to police, in my opinion. I would not answer police questions under any circumstances even if I were completely innocent.

Yes, that part I bolded. (Coming from someone who, for most of her life, always believed in a just legal system)

 

[4441]

Yes, that part I bolded. (Coming from someone who, for most of her life, always believed in a just legal system)

That’s really interesting. I think I’m being naive in my thinking. I can’t imagine not wanting to talk to the police if I’m innocent but I take your point and it’s a very valid one

 

[4441]

Maybe, the trick is, that one single person in this whole crime doesn't come from nearby, but from let's-say Indianapolis (or a similar distant town/city). RA is the suspect, yes. Who knows, who played an important role in addition? Is that the one person, who is finally exactly looking like the wanted BG (young version)?? IMO, RA is not looking like I expected and also is never looking as if much younger than his age. I doubt, that RA's hair in 2017 was reddish-brown. Height/weight are canceled for the wanted man; we don't know, for what reason this was unusually-wise done.
RA is our alleged killer, but I am somehow waiting for the man, who is looking like YBG. Will we ever learn of him, IF he exists?

I don’t think there’s anyone else involved. I think bridge guy is RA. Looks and sounds the same. And by his own admission he was there at the time! This is the part that I cannot get to ver. The police have more video and more audio. They have very few people who were on the bridge. 7 in total I make it. One of them was a man! One of them was the man who was videoed! How in the name of god or whoever else is up there, was this man not arrested? He was there. By his own admission. Honestly I’m so angry I cannot believe how this has happened.

 

[FrostedGlass]

That’s really interesting. I think I’m being naive in my thinking. I can’t imagine not wanting to talk to the police if I’m innocent but I take your point and it’s a very valid one

The National Registry of Exonerations lists 44 for Indiana. Their stories show you how easy it is to convict innocent people.

The National Registry of Exonerations - Exoneration Registry

www.law.umich.edu

 

[Prime8]

You may be right, but, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man--married only once, to his high school sweetheart, a father, gainfully employed--how this seemingly normal man carefully planned the rape and murder of two young teenage girls as his first crime. It doesn't ring true to me, IMO. Of course I may be wrong, and I am hoping for more evidence and a motive being disclosed at the trial.

You never know what's going on in the minds of people. None of these attributes automatically mean someone can't commit a heinous crime. He could have been fantasizing about this for decades, he could have been secretly stalking people for decades. BTK has said that part of the satisfaction of his crimes were the stalking, it's not always just about the end-point that people are looking for.

 

[Prime8]

Still, despite all of the publicity and they nationwide coverage of this crime and RA's arrest, there has been nothing so far as I know about unsavory or criminal incidents concerning him, and I warrant thee would be people or victims coming forward by now with their stories of abuse. Makes one wonder if that is because there is nothing there. But perhaps you are right. We will have to wait and see, IMO

Not a lot of people have come out in his favor either. IMO, Delphi and area residents have been pretty tight lipped about this crime from the start, people aren't airing a lot of dirty laundry. And if anyone has a story of his past behavior and they've gone to authorities (which is where they should be going, not the media), then they could fall under the gag order if they are potential witnesses in a trail.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Murder Sheet interviewed one of his co-workers at the CVS in Peru. She had nothing to say bad about him. One of her co-workers said she caught him looking at her sometimes.

The Delphi Murders: A Conversation with One of Richard Allen's Coworkers

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[Boxer]

Can’t hide in plain sight if your town thinks you’re odd. He fit their ideal man image.

 

[4441]

Murder Sheet interviewed one of his co-workers at the CVS in Peru. She had nothing to say bad about him. One of her co-workers said she caught him looking at her sometimes.

The Delphi Murders: A Conversation with One of Richard Allen's Coworkers

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Yes I listened to that yesterday. Nothing much was said really. Vague comments about him being unremarkable.

 

[4441]

Maybe he stalked people by accessing their private photos at work. I do not believe he went from normal family man to a murdering pedophile.

 

[rainbowshummingbird]

You may be right, but, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man--married only once, to his high school sweetheart, a father, gainfully employed--how this seemingly normal man carefully planned the rape and murder of two young teenage girls as his first crime. It doesn't ring true to me, IMO. Of course I may be wrong, and I am hoping for more evidence and a motive being disclosed at the trial.

I would not grant an elevated status, regarding morals and ethics, to one who is married with children. There are many convicted killers who are married with kids.

 

[Gemmie]

Also he has a daughter the same age. I know Delphi is a small place. His daughter could well have been traumatised by what happened to the girls. It must be terrible to realise it’s her father. How could she have been safe with him. Could she have known all along? Am I allowed to say that?

I'm not following what you're saying since you didn't quote someone's post for me to follow your conversation.

Whose daughter is the same age as whom? Did you mean RA's daughter was the same age as Abbie and Libby? If so, there was almost 10 yrs difference between them. If you didn't mean RA's daughter, who did you mean? Sorry if I'm dense and unable to follow what you're talking about but I can't figure out who else's daughter you could be talking about.

 

[Gemmie]

Maybe he stalked people by accessing their private photos at work. I do not believe he went from normal family man to a murdering pedophile.

IMHO normal on the outside isn't always normal on the inside. Some people have held secrets and improper thoughts for decades, or their entire lives. Also, think about how often you've heard neighbors, friends and family say things about someone arrested for murder like... "He was so nice, I had no idea", "He was the gentlest soul, he couldn't have done it", "He was always so friendly when he walked by with his dog", etc. You get the point.

IMO I feel like a lot of those individuals (those with improper thoughts) don't act on them, it's more like secrets they'll take to the grave with them and no one will know what kinds of thoughts were in their fantasies.

 

[Ozoner]

No im in the U.K. But really you wouldn’t talk to the police if they were looking for a child murderer? Surely they could ask every man to voluntarily come in for questioning? Maybe I’m naive then.

In the U.S., no one can compel us to talk to the police. We have a Constitutional right to "remain silent." The police have tried to railroad or "stitch up" innocent people before, so we take that right to remain silent seriously.

If I had relevant information to report to the police, I would report it anonymously. I would not answer police questions under any circumstances.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Speaking of KAK, almost every news article about him makes mention of his connection to the Delphi murders, making it even harder to keep the 2 cases separate in my mind.

EBM to remove some info that is probably a TOS violation :-/

 

[Springrain]

IMO as a society we need to move away from assuming all murderers are unmarried, childless men lurking in the shadows, living on the outskirts of society. This is just not (usually) the case. Murderers look like us on the outside. Many live seemingly "normal" lives with families, jobs working with the public, etc. One can still absolutely be a pedophile and murderer even if they have been married 25+ years and have a daughter. Dennis Rader and Joseph James DeAngelo are just the two that first come to mind.

 

[Bergmann]

Here we are 5 years later with a horrific crime as yet unsolved despite there being video and audio evidence of the guy on the bridge with a gun directing the girls to their fate.

Now just imagine if they hadn't got that video evidence. How much longer would LE need, what other leads would they have to go on. I mean, this is a horrific crime in broad daylight and here we are 5 years later still puzzling about who, if and why etc.

 

[MissUnderstood]

In the U.S., no one can compel us to talk to the police. We have a Constitutional right to "remain silent." The police have tried to railroad or "stitch up" innocent people before, so we take that right to remain silent seriously.

If I had relevant information to report to the police, I would report it anonymously. I would not answer police questions under any circumstances.

I’m pretty sure most western countries have the option to remain silent. I wouldn’t think twice to answer any questions police asked if I could help solve a murder or any other crime. I’m in Australia and I’m pretty sure the only people wary of olive here are the criminals who have something to hide. Guess it’s a whole different vibe here.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Also he has a daughter the same age. I know Delphi is a small place. His daughter could well have been traumatised by what happened to the girls. It must be terrible to realise it’s her father. How could she have been safe with him. Could she have known all along? Am I allowed to say that?

RA's daughter is about 10 years older than Abby & Libby IIRC