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Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19
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HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.

Pictures of Abby and Libby

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Case map by skibaboo updated with grayhuze crime flow video

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Verified Insiders: None in this case at this time. Verified Professional, Member michael.gartley, is a Verified Expert in Imaging Science.

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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.

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If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM
 
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New info on Delphi murders case — New defense team files for trial to be pushed back; original attorneys removed from case file to represent Richard Allen pro bono

www.wthr.com

'I cannot and will not allow these attorneys to represent you' | Judge disqualifies Richard Allen's former attorneys, sets new trial date

The trial for the suspect in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams will now take place Oct. 15-31, 2024.
www.wthr.com www.wthr.com

DELPHI, Ind. — Two recently-appointed public defenders for Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen have filed for his January trial to be pushed back.
In a filing Oct. 31, attorneys William S. Lebrato and Robert C. Scremin noted they were appointed to the case Oct. 27 and have not received discovery, stating "it will be impossible for counsel to be ready for trial in January, 2024."
 
legalmomma said:
New info on Delphi murders case — New defense team files for trial to be pushed back; original attorneys removed from case file to represent Richard Allen pro bono

www.wthr.com

'I cannot and will not allow these attorneys to represent you' | Judge disqualifies Richard Allen's former attorneys, sets new trial date

The trial for the suspect in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams will now take place Oct. 15-31, 2024.
www.wthr.com www.wthr.com

DELPHI, Ind. — Two recently-appointed public defenders for Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen have filed for his January trial to be pushed back.
In a filing Oct. 31, attorneys William S. Lebrato and Robert C. Scremin noted they were appointed to the case Oct. 27 and have not received discovery, stating "it will be impossible for counsel to be ready for trial in January, 2024."
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I guess it was the New D motioning for continuance...
 
The judge in the Delphi murders hearing has agreed to push the trial back for Richard Allen to October 2024.

Tuesday's hearing started 40 minutes late. The judge told Richard Allen, "I cannot and will not allow these attorneys to represent you." She then disqualified Baldwin and Rozzi from representing him, even pro bono.
New attorneys set a trial date for Oct. 15-31 of 2024. The new attorneys have not talked to the state yet. A return of discovery is coming by end of week.
Baldwin's attorney spoke to the judge about his disqualification. He said the judge did not give them notice of the alleged "gross negligence" on the defense's part, so they were not prepared for the ruling on them not representing Allen. He said the judge's summary ruling violates the constitution and is unfair to Richard Allen and his defense.
 
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Emma Peel said:
the pro bono move is ... both elegant and exasperating.
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Their egos have become addicted to the limelight as their defiance has put them at the centre of attention. To some they’re perceived as noble, heroic even, standing up for the little guy. They’re not about to let that go, already imagining media interviews and speculating who play their character in an upcoming movie. JMO
 
During the hearing, Allen's former attorneys, Baldwin and Rozzi, were sitting next to him and his newly court appointed public defenders sat behind him.
Baldwin told the judge, " Allen has asked us to represent him."
The state told the judge the state's concern is for Allen to have a fair trial.
www.wthr.com

'I cannot and will not allow these attorneys to represent you' | Judge disqualifies Richard Allen's former attorneys, sets new trial date

The trial for the suspect in the killings of Libby German and Abby Williams will now take place Oct. 15-31, 2024.
www.wthr.com www.wthr.com
 
Emma Peel said:
New defense team in Delphi murders case wants trial pushed back; attorneys removed from case file to represent Richard Allen pro bono

Gull immediately disqualifies the pro-bonos. Not so elegant after all.
But, at least it's on the record now.
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From your link. So the ex-D has retained discovery as they still considered themselves probono, as opposed to returning it as Judge had ordered. What next I wonder.

“In a filing Oct. 31, attorneys William S. Lebrato and Robert C. Scremin noted they were appointed to the case Oct. 27 and have not received discovery, stating "it will be impossible for counsel to be ready for trial in January, 2024."
 
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