Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #101

[margarita25]

But with Jayme it wasn’t really random. It was random how he first saw her. But from there she became targeted and essentially stalked.

Yes, “randomly targeted”.

 

[margarita25]

Under the blue jacket?

Yes, his right side.
(Possibly in a body holster)

Eta: which brings to mind again that IF they were shot, ballistics obviously hasn’t produced a match.

I wonder if he makes in his own bullets, and perhaps even silencer.

We don’t know that they were shot. Just thinking out loud. Just because he had a gun it doesn’t mean that’s how they were killed. I suspect he had a knife and rope as well, jmo.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

In my opinion, the 2nd person is the one providing an alibi for BG. It is very possible he could be a family member and was there at the PC.

Any decent video footage of the crowd that day at the presser?

 

[tresir2012]

Plus, let us think of what it means. Some of these non-violent offenders were probably rotting in jail for marijuana transactions, and California already legalized marijuana since those times. Or maybe their crime was petty thievery from big department stores. I am positive that people of CW type would not get into this released pool, and we are talking about someone not totally unlike CW. MOO.

Who is CW? Sorry, I have gone back to follow the posts but couldn't find a reference.

 

[MistyWaters]

Regarding “tip” reporting:

Years ago my former husband and I bought a home in the country that had a large yard. The yard had been neglected and the first thing we did was landscape the yard.

Shortly after we completed the landscaping, our neighbors had a large family get-together. We were shocked to come home and see them casually parking cars in our front yard! There were several cars parked already and the neighbor was standing there directing another car into our yard as we pulled into our driveway. WTH?? He walked over and said that the previous homeowner had given them permission to park cars in their yard.

We informed him nicely that we had spent a lot of money and time landscaping and we didn’t want anyone parking on our grass. He was furious, told us that they only had a small driveway, and where did we expect his guests to park???

The very next day someone reported us as a “tip” in some crime that was in the news at the time. When an investigator came to talk to us he said all tips had to be followed up on, and said clearly some “tips” result from neighborhood disputes. In about two seconds he said that he realized the “tip” on us was unsubstantiated.

I recall reading a story written by an ex-husband who’s ex-wife reported him for every crime imaginable across the US just to make his life miserable. He was getting calls and police visits from everywhere but as she was either making tips anonymously or using fake names, he had no proof it was her. It’s really pathetic how low vindictive people can go.

As in this case, when LE talks about the importance of withholding details to ensure the integrity of the investigation, I think it’s for several different reasons as well.

 

[mtnlites]

Yes, “randomly targeted”.

Right. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be an either/or thing.

 

[Wells]

We have talked very little about something that's nagging me. "Authorities say he is between 18 and 40, but said he may appear younger than he is." Why call that out? That last qualifier speaks volumes IMO. That's a very, very specific qualifier. Again, this is all MOO but they aren't referring to someone who is 39 but looks 35 or someone who is 25 and looks 20. The average person would not even notice a few years age difference. They are referring to someone who looks noticeably and obviously much younger. LE hasn't used the word "much." That word is my interpretation only. So if he's 39, he may look closer to 29. If he's 29, he may look closer to 19.

 

[AliceInPain]

Hiding in plain sight is a well known reference to pedophiles. Whenever someone says that it is what I immediately think of. They are even known to have forum topics dedicated to this on the dark web.

That’s why I also think it was sexually motivated. I think the PC was totally playing at the killer, every single sentence.

I 100% agree with your last sentence, but not the first part of your post.
Lusting after 13-14 year old girls doesn't make someone a pedophile, it's not ok if you're an adult, yes, but don't mix it up with lusting after prepubescents and little toddlers.

Anyway, I think "hiding in plain sight" meant just that. People of Delphi don't recognize him because they haven't seen him in casual clothing before. He wears a uniform or overalls whenever they see him, and they've never seen him with his hands in his pockets because he's always carrying tools or he's working with them, electrician, mechanic, etc, even a preacher use their hands more than BG. He might be the most upstanding citizen of Delphi, super-loved and always there for anyone in need. But no one has ever seen him out of that image. They don't recognize his walk because in the video he's walking on a wobbly broken bridge where he has to watch each step, they don't recognize his voice because when he's at work he's not in psycho stalker mode.

I still think LE finally went the DNA-route (Parabon/GEDmatch etc,) just haven't been able to pinpoint WHO, out of three, nine, twenty-five. The PC was way too detailed. They know his family, imo.
I also believe he has been in contact with LE, that he left signs at the scene and possibly has sent them letters since.

imo, jmo, etc.

 

[mtnlites]

We have talked very little about something that's nagging me. "Authorities say he is between 18 and 40, but said he may appear younger than he is." Why call that out? That last qualifier speaks volumes IMO. That's a very, very specific qualifier. Again, this is all MOO but they aren't referring to someone who is 39 but looks 35 or someone who is 25 and looks 20. The average person would not even notice a few years age difference. They are referring to someone who looks noticeably and obviously much younger. LE hasn't used the word "much." That word is my interpretation only. So if he's 39, he may look closer to 29. If he's 29, he may look closer to 19.

What I carried away from that was that he looks early to mid 20s but could possibly be mid to late 30s and just look younger. I don't think looks any younger than early 20s.

 

[tresir2012]

Right. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be an either/or thing.

Agree. I think it is usually used to infer no prior connection between the parties. That's usually why the difficulty arises in tracking down the perp and I think this case is like that, or was initially. Now, according to LE, there is a Delphi connection, where there wasn't one before, so all is up in the air again. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Any decent video footage of the crowd that day at the presser?

That’s been released to the public? No. I think by now the media is fully aware how harmful the “spot the killer in the video” would be to innocent people given they’ve reported LEs concern and warnings many times.

 

[enelram]

We have talked very little about something that's nagging me. "Authorities say he is between 18 and 40, but said he may appear younger than he is." Why call that out? That last qualifier speaks volumes IMO. That's a very, very specific qualifier. Again, this is all MOO but they aren't referring to someone who is 39 but looks 35 or someone who is 25 and looks 20. The average person would not even notice a few years age difference. They are referring to someone who looks noticeably and obviously much younger. LE hasn't used the word "much." That word is my interpretation only. So if he's 39, he may look closer to 29. If he's 29, he may look closer to 19.

good point....and to take that a step farther in analysis:

I wonder if perp is also years behind "socially" and maybe academically?
Say this perp is older 20's and still in college or still living under
parents' roof when not in school. Maybe he hasn't graduated
to independent living on his own.
All this would also possibly make perp 'seem' to be younger
than his chronological age.
Maybe he's still dependent on parents financially
and still driving parents' car.
Maybe he's a man/child in a man's body w/ a babyish face.
imo.

 

[Wells]

What I carried away from that was that he looks early to mid 20s but could possibly be mid to late 30s and just look younger. I don't think looks any younger than early 20s.

I agree. I think the sketch makes him look about 25. Which would mean he is actually 30 - 40??

 

[pepper 34]

They don't want to just haul him in, they want to know they have a conviction first. That can take time. I think the Ohio investigators knew who committed the Rhoden murders well before they arrested them. Then they finally got that last piece of evidence that sealed it fir them.

I never thought of this. What an excellent example because you're 100% correct. LE stated they had the Wagner family under "laser focus" but only arrested after they found the physical evidence that they felt would seal the case.

 

[susiQ]

Who is CW? Sorry, I have gone back to follow the posts but couldn't find a reference.

Chris Watts, I believe. Murdered his wife and two beautiful daughters

 

[HockeyMom330]

What gets me is that LE has the whole video of BG walking and still is giving us the stills put together for us to watch. They are hiding something they don't want us to see.

Agreed. It has been suggested that BG was 60-70ft away from Libby when he was filmed, so if this accurate, why not show more of his approach? There must be something incriminating that they are protecting from public view.

 

[margarita25]

Agree. I think it is usually used to infer no prior connection between the parties. That's usually why the difficulty arises in tracking down the perp and I think this case is like that, or was initially. Now, according to LE, there is a Delphi connection, where there wasn't one before, so all is up in the air again. JMO

My opinion about the Delphi Connection is that this is likely what the FBI’s BAU has ascertained based on basic profiling.

I have wondered if there is specifically something that indicates he has been in Delphi since the murders, perhaps some sort of sign via taunting, but I really don’t think the fact that he could have ties to Delphi means that these girls were necessarily known to him or “known of” by him previously to encountering them on the trail, moo.

 

[enelram]

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.... I think once perp here is announced there will be
locals who know him and say 'Yeah, we always knew he was a little
weird' or he was 'different' or a little strange. But since he doesn't
have a criminal record he's skirted through life just under radar.
He just hasn't been reported or caught for his misdeeds, yet.

 

[cluciano63]

In those cases when LE has known who the perp was but waited to make an arrest...they were not having PC’s showing new sketches, with a 20+ year age range...so it is not quite the same as those. Jmo

 

[mtnlites]

I agree. I think the sketch makes him look about 25. Which would mean he is actually 30 - 40??

Or that he's actually 25. Who the heck knows at this point? He could be Benjamin Buttoning himself. That's how strange this case has been.