Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[MistyWaters]

This information, given in this interview:
"Carter said that during his most recent press conference about the case two weeks ago that he's 110% convinced the person who committed the murders was watching."

ISP superintendent provides update on Delphi double murder investigation

Why not just say I'm 100% convinced or why not just say I'm convinced? Why say 110%? Did ISP Carter look at the sign-in sheet before coming out to talk? Did other LE present confirm someone being there? Why say he could be in this room? That one really got the hairs on the back of my neck standing and I was thousands of miles away. Saying you're 100% sure of something is enough to convey certainty to whom you're addressing that your word is true. What then is saying you're 110% convinced that something is so? Eyeballing the killer as you speak?

I'm really starting to think on this differently. I think ISP Carter is a very no-nonsense and professional man. I don't think he embellishes. I don't think he's theatrical or a drama queen. JMO

I don’t think he embellishes either but throughout the PC he continually used words like “may”, “might”, “could” to indicate a possibility..as opposed to words such as “I know” or “we’ve confirmed” so I don’t think anything he said can be assumed to be beyond the classic profile of a suspect in an unsolved case. It’s well known from prior solved cases that guilty people closely follow news of the crimes they’ve committed. I’d imagine it comes from necessity, much for the reason Carter stated “he wants to know that they know” in order to avoid getting caught. Active interest in this case was also one of the several characteristics the FBI put out early, a list of suspicious behaviours to watch out for (including changed appearance, unexplained whereabouts on Feb 13th, etc)

I do think it was intended Carter’s presentation during the PC be highly dramatic. Many PCs have already been held in the past 2 plus years and the risk is that people become tone deaf to the same prior theme of requiring that one tip, so it’s purpose was to to shake people awake IMO for a couple of reasons -
- to take the emphasis away from the prior sketch of national focus which had been strongly promoted by LE to be the face of the suspect for almost two years now. Instead to invigorate people in and around Delphi by zooming in on a suspect who had local connections.
- to unsettle the suspect, hoping that somebody might be able to observe suspicious behaviour that would result in that “one tip”.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

My apologies if this already has been answered somewhere – I may have missed it. How does one exit the bridge at the south end, to the driveway or trail or whatever-it-is? Is there a ramp, or stairs, or a several-foot drop to the ground, or is the bridge at ground level? In all the photos I've seen looking north from the south, not one seems to illustrate the very end of the bridge. TY!

Hope, you can see it. Pic of a video (RG).

 

[sumzero]

This information, given in this interview:
"Carter said that during his most recent press conference about the case two weeks ago that he's 110% convinced the person who committed the murders was watching."

ISP superintendent provides update on Delphi double murder investigation

Why not just say I'm 100% convinced or why not just say I'm convinced? Why say 110%? Did ISP Carter look at the sign-in sheet before coming out to talk? Did other LE present confirm someone being there? Why say he could be in this room? That one really got the hairs on the back of my neck standing and I was thousands of miles away. Saying you're 100% sure of something is enough to convey certainty to whom you're addressing that your word is true. What then is saying you're 110% convinced that something is so? Eyeballing the killer as you speak?

I'm really starting to think on this differently. I think ISP Carter is a very no-nonsense and professional man. I don't think he embellishes. I don't think he's theatrical or a drama queen. JMO

I listened to the interview. DC says "one hundred percent." The person who wrote the brief article beneath the video must've misheard him. Frankly, I don't find his statement surprising. It's a pretty safe bet that the killer was watching. Same is true of the killer wanting to know what LE knows. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[sunshineray]

From the families, I thought I read MP saying that Libby put up a fight, but maybe I misunderstood? If so, I'd like to.get a better idea, it is important. Either she fought, and then someone should have had some scratches, or, she did not have the time, and then he simply got rid of everything that could have his DNA.

But about criminal DNA, he knows more that I do. Because if the LE are still sorting DNAs out (This was in mainstream news - I think the LE's name started with H, he said something along the lines, they needed to sort whose DNA was whose, or something like it)..., it means, BG got rid of at least some contaminated items. And I, for example, would not know how to do it, how to get rid of evidence.

Question, where did he find it out? Criminology classes, books or Google searches?

The water was right there. That's why I asked to comfirm or discounted if there'd been news video taken of clothing in the water.

 

[Krwiley60]

This information, given in this interview:
"Carter said that during his most recent press conference about the case two weeks ago that he's 110% convinced the person who committed the murders was watching."

ISP superintendent provides update on Delphi double murder investigation

Why not just say I'm 100% convinced or why not just say I'm convinced? Why say 110%? Did ISP Carter look at the sign-in sheet before coming out to talk? Did other LE present confirm someone being there? Why say he could be in this room? That one really got the hairs on the back of my neck standing and I was thousands of miles away. Saying you're 100% sure of something is enough to convey certainty to whom you're addressing that your word is true. What then is saying you're 110% convinced that something is so? Eyeballing the killer as you speak?

I'm really starting to think on this differently. I think ISP Carter is a very no-nonsense and professional man. I don't think he embellishes. I don't think he's theatrical or a drama queen. JMO

I don’t think they have a clue to who this guy is. I’m 110% sure he was watching...from afar.

 

[Boxer]

I think the old BG sketch was based on the witnesses, the video, and some type of forensic sketch software.

MOO that would explain the reason OBG looks a bit like an age progression of the YBG sketch.

 

[kkdj]

I think it’s a natural response to want to defend yourself. Especially in situations like this. I’m sure both girls put up the fight of their lives.

Really? I suspect one was disposed of quickly and the other suffered. jmo

 

[sumzero]

I don’t think he embellishes either but throughout the PC he continually used words like “may”, “might”, “could” to indicate a possibility..as opposed to words such as “I know” or “we’ve confirmed” so I don’t think anything he said can be assumed to be beyond the classic profile of a suspect in an unsolved case. It’s well known from prior solved cases that guilty people closely follow news of the crimes they’ve committed. I’d imagine it comes from necessity, much for the reason Carter stated “he wants to know that they know” in order to avoid getting caught. Active interest in this case was also one of the several characteristics the FBI put out early, a list of suspicious behaviours to watch out for (including changed appearance, unexplained whereabouts on Feb 13th, etc)

I do think it was intended Carter’s presentation during the PC be highly dramatic. Many PCs have already been held in the past 2 plus years and the risk is that people become tone deaf to the same prior theme of requiring that one tip, so it’s purpose was to to shake people awake IMO for a couple of reasons -
- to take the emphasis away from the prior sketch of national focus which had been strongly promoted by LE to be the face of the suspect for almost two years now. Instead to invigorate people in and around Delphi by zooming in on a suspect who had local connections.
- to unsettle the suspect, hoping that somebody might be able to observe suspicious behaviour that would result in that “one tip”.

Well said. DC is especially defensive when he discusses whether this is a cold case. (Some news reports are already calling it such.) It's almost like he's got too much invested in this case personally. I wonder if that's fueling his defensiveness. At some point, doesn't he need to admit the possibility this case won't be solved, if it ever is solved, anytime soon? If nobody has come forward to help LE identify the suspect after 2+ years, maybe it'll never happen. Maybe there isn't someone out there withholding information. Maybe there's isn't someone out there who suspects the real BG.

 

[MistyWaters]

I listened to the interview. DC says "one hundred percent." The person who wrote the brief article beneath the video must've misheard him. Frankly, I don't find his statement surprising. It's a pretty safe bet that the killer was watching. Same is true of the killer wanting to know what LE knows. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

During a following interview, he toned it down to “he thinks”. I agree, that’s pretty much a no-brainer. Those of here on this thread are following this investigation very closely too even though we’re not guilty of any involvement!

“I think the killer is following this investigation very closely," Carter said.”
ISP: We're 'one tip away' from solving Delphi murders

 

[Boxer]

Really? I suspect one was disposed of quickly and the other suffered. jmo

I agree. BG was efficient, depending on surprise and viciousness. MOO he would maintain that level of speed and action through killing and escaping.

The police know if there was SA, they can take a good guess if the girls were caught up with and killed while trying escape to the cemetery or road, or if they were calmly marched there.
They know the time death, manner of death and cause of death. The then DA Robert Ives has stated there is enough evidence to convict if they can find the person that the evidence is connected to.
Fingerprints and DNA seem like the only sure way that I am aware of to conect evidence to a person.

 

[sunshineray]

I listened to the interview. DC says "one hundred percent." The person who wrote the brief article beneath the video must've misheard him. Frankly, I don't find his statement surprising. It's a pretty safe bet that the killer was watching. Same is true of the killer wanting to know what LE knows. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

You're correct sumzero, thanks for pointing it out. He did say 100%, not 110%.

I also didn't realize that was the same interview where when asked "Why" he thought the killer could have been in the room, he kind of "harrumph""ed involuntarily at himself before pausing and answering.

I still think to say that at the PC, in the way he did is not theatrics. JMO

 

[Boxer]

dbm duplicate

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t think he embellishes either but throughout the PC he continually used words like “may”, “might”, “could” to indicate a possibility..as opposed to words such as “I know” or “we’ve confirmed” so I don’t think anything he said can be assumed to be beyond the classic profile of a suspect in an unsolved case. It’s well known from prior solved cases that guilty people closely follow news of the crimes they’ve committed. I’d imagine it comes from necessity, much for the reason Carter stated “he wants to know that they know” in order to avoid getting caught. Active interest in this case was also one of the several characteristics the FBI put out early, a list of suspicious behaviours to watch out for (including changed appearance, unexplained whereabouts on Feb 13th, etc)

I do think it was intended Carter’s presentation during the PC be highly dramatic. Many PCs have already been held in the past 2 plus years and the risk is that people become tone deaf to the same prior theme of requiring that one tip, so it’s purpose was to to shake people awake IMO for a couple of reasons -
- to take the emphasis away from the prior sketch of national focus which had been strongly promoted by LE to be the face of the suspect for almost two years now. Instead to invigorate people in and around Delphi by zooming in on a suspect who had local connections.
- to unsettle the suspect, hoping that somebody might be able to observe suspicious behaviour that would result in that “one tip”.

I could agree with that for the "hiding in plain sight" and "you like to be in control", "what would your loved ones think" even the " I think you might have one shred of conscience left" but not the the "you could be in this room". That is, if it was said just in general, an off-the-wall thing to say at a PC about a killer, IMO. I don't think ISP Carter is an off-the-wall type of guy.

 

[MistyWaters]

The water was right there. That's why I asked to comfirm or discounted if there'd been news video taken of clothing in the water.

I wonder about that reporter’s comment.

Number one on my list is the belief that any evidence found near the crime scene would certainly be collected. Clothing in the water especially, as it risks getting swept away. So how did the reporter sight girls clothing near the crime scene in order to definitely connect it to the victims because iirc it was after the bodies were found and removed that the media helicopters flew overhead. Are we to believe all the masses of investigators who arrived on site just didn’t notice the girls’ clothing right there in the water nearby, especially if the bodies were unclothed, until a reporter spotted it? I just have a hard time believing clothing in water, known to be what the girls were wearing, would go unnoticed by LE.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

In this video I find it interesting that DC says something to effect of ......if you are afraid, we can protect you to the end. It’s near the end of the video.

In this video it shows the end of the bridge with flowers. Just curious if anyone knows which end it is. I am thinking maybe the south end..JMO.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

He had to get rid of these clothes because of blood. He also had to take some of girls’ clothes, the ones he thought might have his DNA. Where did he put them? His backpack? CPS building? Or discarded in some dumpster? Or took home and burned?

Or someone already waiting or was told to come to pick up a duffle bag? Speculation


(Catching up 2days so apologies) a few questions and ramblings...... All MOO AND SPECULATION..

I like the BG from SE end/ walk past the girls/ odd enough to start audio and vid/ say what a strange guy/ BG turns and approaches/ film him/ .........

Could the 'Guys' somehow be from the initial passing (From SE)? The edited/scrambled bit in middle of audio the 'strange guy 'convo between girls and then 'down the hill' as BG engages with girls ( with weapon) on re-approach?


Re possible disguise or obfuscation of visual identity by BG.....could the disguise have been for other purpose initially? Voyueristic underbridge perv/drugs/pedo activity? And the turn and crime totally unplanned, unthought and 'spur'?

Edit for shameful illiteracy

 

[MistyWaters]

I could agree with that for the "hiding in plain sight" and "you like to be in control", "what would your loved ones think" even the " I think you might have one shred of conscience left" but not the the "you could be in this room". That is, if it was said just in general, an off-the-wall thing to say at a PC about a killer, IMO. I don't think ISP Carter is an off-the-wall type of guy.

If we are to believe that LE doesn’t know who the killer is - why they still need that “one tip” of the identity of the suspect to solve the case - and consider the new sketch is of a person with a possible age range between 18 and 40 and has Delphi connections, that he “could” have attended the PC isn’t off the wall at all IMO. Carter had already described him as “hiding in plain sight” so for a killer who’s already confident he’d foiled LE, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility he’d attend a PC appearing just as innocent and interested as all the other local folks who were there. Attending a public PC is not proof of guilt.

ETA - If Carter truly thought the killer attended the PC and, as many believe LE have the killers DNA, couldn’t LE have set up an optional DNA sampling station at the door? Or have investigators question everyone before they left? That’d be much easier than searching for ancestors, if they knew they had him right there in that very room.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I don’t think he embellishes either but throughout the PC he continually used words like “may”, “might”, “could” to indicate a possibility..as opposed to words such as “I know” or “we’ve confirmed” so I don’t think anything he said can be assumed to be beyond the classic profile of a suspect in an unsolved case. It’s well known from prior solved cases that guilty people closely follow news of the crimes they’ve committed. I’d imagine it comes from necessity, much for the reason Carter stated “he wants to know that they know” in order to avoid getting caught. Active interest in this case was also one of the several characteristics the FBI put out early, a list of suspicious behaviours to watch out for (including changed appearance, unexplained whereabouts on Feb 13th, etc)

I do think it was intended Carter’s presentation during the PC be highly dramatic. Many PCs have already been held in the past 2 plus years and the risk is that people become tone deaf to the same prior theme of requiring that one tip, so it’s purpose was to to shake people awake IMO for a couple of reasons -
- to take the emphasis away from the prior sketch of national focus which had been strongly promoted by LE to be the face of the suspect for almost two years now. Instead to invigorate people in and around Delphi by zooming in on a suspect who had local connections.
- to unsettle the suspect, hoping that somebody might be able to observe suspicious behaviour that would result in that “one tip”.

I just ran across a characteristic list recently, and I got worried as this case has given ME a few of these!

• Has a different sleep pattern now
• Started abusing drugs or alcohol when they wouldn’t have beforehand
• Has become anxious or irritable
• Has followed this case and what the media is releasing with a sense that is “not normal”
• Has been having ongoing conversations about where they were on Feb. 13

 

[sumzero]

If we are to believe that LE doesn’t know who the killer is - why they still need that “one tip” of the identity of the suspect to solve the case - and consider the new sketch is of a person with a possible age range between 18 and 40 and has Delphi connections, that he “could” have attended the PC isn’t off the wall at all IMO. Carter had already described him as “hiding in plain sight” so for a killer who’s already confident he’d foiled LE, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility he’d attend a PC appearing just as innocent and interested as all the other local folks who were there. Attending a public PC is not proof of guilt.

ETA - If Carter truly thought the killer attended the PC and, as many believe LE have the killers DNA, couldn’t LE have set up an optional DNA sampling station at the door? Or have investigators question everyone before they left? That’d be much easier than searching for ancestors, if they knew they had him right there in that very room.

How many non-reporters / non-LE were in the room for the PC? I saw a couple of photos (I believe on a reporter's Twitter feed). IIRC, based on the photos, there were far fewer men than women in the crowd.

 

[mtnlites]

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Hope, you can see it. Pic of a video (RG).

That gravel has really washed away.

ETA: Until this crime I'd never heard of it referenced as the "north end" or "south end" of the bridge. We always just called it "the end with the missing board" and "the end where people carve their name into the wood."