Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #107

[Falling Down]

She must have texted or liked it to have such an exact time. As you say it is not possible for her to have exactly remembered that 4 hours later. Libby did have Instagram with a lot of her photos on it because I remember looking at it for some time after the murders and people were posting condolence messages . I don't remember when it became unavailable and I don't remember if the bridge pics were on there. In the absence of any other time we have to go with that. There may have been a last seen time on the very first posters issuedd and I'm sure LE could have got the time directly from SC. They would take about 5 mins to walk the bridge and maybe 10 to get there from the drop off so 20 minutes is a good estimate, which would be almost 2 p.m. plus 5 or so minutes dawdling or getting up courage to cross. MOO

Your time estimates line up with my own, I concur.

JMO

-FD

 

[Jabarn]

She must have texted or liked it to have such an exact time. As you say it is not possible for her to have exactly remembered that 4 hours later. Libby did have Instagram with a lot of her photos on it because I remember looking at it for some time after the murders and people were posting condolence messages . I don't remember when it became unavailable and I don't remember if the bridge pics were on there. In the absence of any other time we have to go with that. There may have been a last seen time on the very first posters issuedd and I'm sure LE could have got the time directly from SC. They would take about 5 mins to walk the bridge and maybe 10 to get there from the drop off so 20 minutes is a good estimate, which would be almost 2 p.m. plus 5 or so minutes dawdling or getting up courage to cross. MOO

I guess it boils down to whether BG had access to either sister’s Snapchat. If so, he could have known any variable like where, when and how they would be at the trails/Monon High Bridge, so these are good aspects to think about, IMO. You would think this would be readily understood two years later, tho.

 

[tresir2012]

Eerie photo of bridge where girls were murdered posted by mother 4 years ago

while looking for more info on the SC time I found this interesting early article that mentions 2 p.m. and a FB post from Abby's mum that states at 18.49 that they hadn't been heard from for about 3 hours ( which would be around 4 p.m. ) . That does conflict with the 2 p.m.time but could mean that was when DG and others began to seriously worry IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

Teens left behind eerie social media posts before disappearing

Here's another early article and videos.

 

[Cutiekitty]

The topic of the SC begins just after 16:30. After the girls were reported missing I don’t think it’s weird at all for LE to seek to determine the last time there was any SM type of communication by Libby. Is it possible KG and Libby shared SC? Because KG says she was able to access Libby’s SC story in order to view the timestamp.
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KG - (talking about visit to police station, was called about 6pm) She posted them directly to her story so whether or not she sent them to someone is really hard to tell. (goes on to mention that’s how she was able to determine the time stamp @ 2:07)
Q - but they were there? You were actually able to look?
KG - uh huh (affirmative)
Q - do you have that phone now?
KG - No, I have a different phone now.
Q - so it was an iPhone though and you were able to see quickly?
KG - yes.

It’s not weird for LE to check at all. That is something they should and would do. It would be weird for KG to remember something was posted at exactly 2:07.

If you are “friends” with someone on SC you can look at their story at any time and see what is on it. All KG would have to do is check LG’s story to be able to see the pics. She actually said that was where LG posted the pics and I’m sure they were “friends”. The time stamp on the story would say how many hours it was posted ago (if it has been over 59 minutes) and not a specific time. It would look exactly like the one all over the internet, but if she looked at 6:07 it would say 4 hours ago instead of 7 hours ago.

You can access SC from any device that has the app so it’s weird that he’d ask if she had the same phone. I access it from both my phone and tablet all the time. Have to put in the password if you switch devices though.

 

[Cutiekitty]

She must have texted or liked it to have such an exact time. As you say it is not possible for her to have exactly remembered that 4 hours later. Libby did have Instagram with a lot of her photos on it because I remember looking at it for some time after the murders and people were posting condolence messages . I don't remember when it became unavailable and I don't remember if the bridge pics were on there. In the absence of any other time we have to go with that. There may have been a last seen time on the very first posters issuedd and I'm sure LE could have got the time directly from SC. They would take about 5 mins to walk the bridge and maybe 10 to get there from the drop off so 20 minutes is a good estimate, which would be almost 2 p.m. plus 5 or so minutes dawdling or getting up courage to cross. MOO

BBM - It’s possible, but it would be totally weird IMO. Not saying she’s being shady or anything, just that it would be weird to note the exact time. Why would you? At that point the girls were not missing.

 

[max99]

BBM - It’s possible, but it would be totally weird IMO. Not saying she’s being shady or anything, just that it would be weird to note the exact time. Why would you? At that point the girls were not missing.

I remember times like that all the time. For me it's not so weird.

 

[Jabarn]

BBM - It’s possible, but it would be totally weird IMO. Not saying she’s being shady or anything, just that it would be weird to note the exact time. Why would you? At that point the girls were not missing.

I don’t think any of the girls would have had a clue they were being trailed on social media, like SC (do we abbreviate that here on purpose or only for brevity?) if there is a clue at all there.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I guess it boils down to whether BG had access to either sister’s Snapchat. If so, he could have known any variable like where, when and how they would be at the trails/Monon High Bridge, so these are good aspects to think about, IMO. You would think this would be readily understood two years later, tho.

He would have to have been added by them or be with someone who had been added. No need for him to have user name/password access.

 

[tresir2012]

I am posting this early transcript because it addresses a couple of things we have been discussing. I even wonder if they had not found Libby's phone when this interview was done because the audio is not mentioned at all. They also say they do not have a time stamp on the SC photos. This is from a post on page 2 of the media thread.

CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez, in for Ashleigh Banfield. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

Breaking news tonight as investigators are digging everywhere for the clues in the shocking double murder of two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana. We

do have information to report. The state police are serving a search warrant at a home in Delphi. Now, this is in response to information that

police received through tips and through interviews giving probable cause to search the home. No word on whether there have been any arrests at this

hour.

Also and tonight, a community is mourning the 13-year-old Abigail Williams and her friend, 14-year-old Liberty German. As we have been reporting in

this developing story, the girls were believed to be hiking in the woods on Monday when they vanished. The girls were not picked up at an appointed

time. They just weren`t there. But their bodies were found the next day and identified yesterday.

With a killer on the loose, many residents are on high alert tonight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t take your eyes off them for a minute because there are predators out there, and that`s the reality of life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Most of the people are scared and worried about their kids and their grandkids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if they`re not scared, then there`s something wrong.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And police are still looking for this man in this picture to ask what he may have seen. Now, in this photo, he appears to be on a high

bridge. It is believed to be the same bridge where Liberty took this photo of Abigail and posted it to Snapchat. This is the last trace of the girls

before they were found murdered.

And joining me tonight, first of all, defense attorney Kisha Hebbon and Joey Jackson. But first of all -- and we are going to go to Sergeant Kim

Riley in just a minute. He is with the Indiana State Police.

But we do want to being tonight with Lindsey Eaton. She is a reporter for CBS 4, Fox 59 in Indianapolis. Lindsey, you are at the scene tonight.

Tell us what you have seen with executing of this search warrant at a home?

LINDSEY EATON, FOX 59/CBS 4 (via telephone): Correct. Correct. We`ve been out here for about an hour. State police did serve a search warrant

at this home. Within the past hour, some of the authorities have left. There is still quite a large presence of authorities out here. We have

seen detectives bringing out some boxes from this home.

There`s a field next door to this home. We saw detectives with flashlights looking through the field. At this point, the latest we have heard no

arrest has been made. And the troopers -- or Sergeant Riley actually just told us about an hour ago that they don`t anticipate any arrests to be

made, that this was sort of following up on a tip that they received. He said this is just another piece of the puzzle, but following up on each and

every tip.

CASAREZ: Lindsey, I want some more detail here. How many boxes have you seen authorities take out tonight? Have they taken anything other than

boxes, any carpeting, any mattresses, anything?

EATON: We have not. We have not. We saw maybe just a couple -- like I said, we got here around 7:00 o`clock. We saw maybe a couple boxes taken

from the home. I can tell you there was no crime tape around the house. There are a few authorities still out here. They were searching the field

next door. We saw them going around the house, in and out of the front door. And that`s about it at this point.

[20:05:09]CASAREZ: Have you seen anyone come out of the house, anyone that appears to live in that house?

EATON: We have not.

CASAREZ: Have you talked to anybody in the neighborhood of who might live in that house?

EATON: We just got here about an hour ago. And to tell you the truth, there aren`t many neighbors out here. As you guys have reported, this is a

very rural area out here, not too many neighbors from where I`m standing here right now.

CASAREZ: All right. And joining us tonight is Sergeant Kim Riley. He is with the Indiana State Police. Thank you so much for joining us at such a

pivotal time in this investigation. Sir, I do want to ask you, the search warrant that is being executed right now -- first of all, you did have a

warrant, it`s not just based on probable cause.

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone): It was a search warrant, yes.

CASAREZ: OK. So you went to a judge, and a judge signed off on this warrant. Why did you select this home in Delphi?

RILEY: Through the investigation with the tips and the interviews we`ve had, we had probable cause to go into the house and do a search on it.

CASAREZ: OK. That sounds fairly significant. You know, I want to talk to you about the picture that has been circulating of a man that you want to

talk with. And I think we do have that photograph. This is the area you say, that it was possibly even the same bridge that the two girls were

walking on. This is the walking trail, the Delphi historic trail, and this is the Monon High Bridge, you believe. Have you been able to locate this

man to talk with him yet?

RILEY: Not as yet. We`re still in the process of trying to get some (INAUDIBLE) information on who the subject is.

CASAREZ: OK. Do you believe that he lives in Delphi, which is about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis?

RILEY: We have -- we`re not sure where the subject may be from or where he lives. But that`s why we put this information out so we can try to get him

tracked down so we can talk to him and just find out what he has seen or saw on the bridge when he was in that area about the same time as the girls

were.

CASAREZ: All right. And Sergeant, about the time the girls were, which leads me to the timeline. These two young girls -- they did not have

school that day. So we know that -- is it true that you believe a relative dropped them off to just have a day for them to be on the walking trail?

RILEY: Right. One of the family members of one of the girls dropped them off at one of the tributaries, so to speak, of the trail, and then they

were supposed to be picked up between 3:00 and 3:30 that afternoon.

CASAREZ: 3:00 and 3:30? So they weren`t going to be there too long. So it was about 1:00 o`clock that they were dropped off, do you believe?

RILEY: I believe it was right around 1:00 o`clock, and then they were supposed to be picked up by another relative at -- between 3:00 and 3:30.

CASAREZ: No, the photograph that is the Snapchat photo that is tragically taken by one of the girls -- there it is right there -- of her friend, this

was taken at approximately what time? What is the timestamp on the photo?

RILEY: Well, because it`s a Snapchat, there is no timestamp on it, so we`re not sure of the exact time. We know it was after the time that they

were let off. But the exact time, we do not have that.

CASAREZ: Now, there`s a lot of things going on social media that nestled in the foliage there may be a human being that is lurking. Have your

forensic investigators looked at that photograph to determine if there is someone amongst the branches behind her?

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the

picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture

up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you

see at the end of the tracks.

And the part where you see the trees, we`ve blown that up, and we have not been able to significantly say that that`s a person. As a matter of fact,

we`ve pretty much come to the conclusion that it`s just a shadow, is all that is.

CASAREZ: All right. Now, the tragic thing is that this photograph right here was taken possibly minutes before. You don`t -- I don`t think you

have the timeline of when they were murdered, but their bodies were found. Can you describe for us where their bodies were found because it wasn`t

exactly on the trail, right?

RILEY: No, it was not. It was actually on private property that was in probably about a quarter of a mile from the location where that end of that

bridge is at.

[20:10:06]Actually, that bridge is not even part of the trail at this time. It`s -- they`re in the process of trying to get money to make that part of

the trail, but that actually, if you notice where the two poles are at that I pointed out in that picture, that is actually the end of the trail. And

that`s where, I mean, kids and people just go ahead and walk on across that bridge at their own risk.

CASAREZ: Now, the private property where these two beautiful young girls were found, was there a home on that property?

RILEY: There is a home on the property. It is about, I`m going to say, probably about half to three quarters of a mile away from that location,

but it`s more to the north of the location of where the bodies were found.

CASAREZ: Now, I know the crime scene processing took quite a while, a long time. Why did it take so long?

RILEY: We wanted to basically turn every leaf over that was in that area. It was in a wooded area. We just decided we wanted to make sure that we

covered everything, that was looked at everything, that -- you know, that we -- like I said, that no leaf was not left unturned. And plus, we wanted

to make sure and get the pictures and get the information off the bodies as far as DNA and anything else that we could find. We just wanted to make

sure that was all done and done correctly and done properly.

CASAREZ: That`s right. And it is one of the most important parts of this investigation.

Sergeant, please don`t go anywhere. We`re going to take a short break. But I`ve got many more questions because you have to solve a double murder,

and we want to do what we can to help you.

Now, we`re not done here. There is a manhunt for the killer of two Indiana teens, and now police say tips are turning into big leads as they serve a

search warrant at a home in Delphi. This happened minutes ago.

Our breaking news coverage continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CASAREZ: And we do continue to follow breaking news tonight, a manhunt for the killer of two teenage girls in Indiana, their bodies found near a creek

less than a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where a picture of one of the girls was taken. Tonight, police descending on a home, serving a

search warrant connected to the case. What could they be looking for, and why do they still want to talk to this man, who they say was spotted on the

bridge around the same time that the girls were walking? That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[20:17:04]CASAREZ: And we do have breaking news tonight. Detectives -- they are desperately searching for a breakthrough in the double homicide of

Indiana teens Liberty German and Abigail Williams. We are getting the latest from Indiana State Police, including news on the search of a home in

Delphi. It was prompted by tips and interviews, this as the investigation into the killings heats up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search is on for a killer in the small city of Delphi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, everybody`s upset!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Abigail Williams and Liberty German disappeared after hiking near the Monon trail bridge. 24 hours later, a search crew

volunteer found the teens` bodies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Double homicide investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a grainy picture of a man seen on the Delphi historic trails Monday, the same day the girls disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have nobody in custody at this time Yes, there is somebody out there that did this horrendous crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to get to the bottom of this. We feel confident.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And my panel is back with me. We also have from the Indiana State Police, Sergeant Kim Riley, who is joining us. Sergeant, thank you

so much. We do know that a picture, and it may have been minutes before these girls were murdered, but Abigail Williams, a Snapchat photo of

Abigail Williams is there on the trail which was a railroad line.

Did you find that picture on one of the girls` cell phones?

RILEY: I really can`t answer that question at this point in time while we`re in the investigation.

CASAREZ: All right. I know Snapchat is something that, you know, people who subscribe can get it. But their phones, their iPhones -- did they have

phones with them? Obviously, one did. They took the picture.

RILEY: Well, I can`t answer that question at this time because of the investigation and what`s going on.

CASAREZ: I do understand, definitely. The picture of the person that you want to talk to because we`ve got two pictures in this case -- this person,

this man, unidentified -- I`m just wondering is there a security camera out there that took this picture? Was it a hunter`s camera? Was it a wildlife

camera?

RILEY: At this point in time, I can`t comment on that, either. I`m sorry. I don`t want to compromise the investigation at this time.

CASAREZ: Do you have any more surveillance video or photos at all that you are looking at because since there was a home in the area, the two girls

were found on the property, there could have been a camera? Any other visual images?

RILEY: We`re still looking into that information that`s still out there that we`re looking into cameras and stuff that were on private property

that was on residences in the area, but none actually on the trail itself.

CASAREZ: So the two young girls were found together. Does it appear that one may have witnessed the murder of the other? Are you looking for just

one person?

[20:20:04]RILEY: I really can`t comment on that at this point in time.

CASAREZ: Were they clothed?

RILEY: I definitely can`t comment on that. We don`t want to compromise the investigation.

CASAREZ: I understand. Was the cause of death obvious?

RILEY: I`m not -- I`m not going to comment on that, either, at this time. We don`t want to give any information out that somebody (INAUDIBLE) people

will start reading information and they come in and start saying that this and that, that they were involved in the case because they know what

happened. We don`t want that kind of information coming forward. So we`re going to keep that quiet.

CASAREZ: I understand. You know, I do want to go to our attorneys, Kisha Hebbon, Joey Jackson. Kisha, this is an important part because this is the

investigation. There is someone out there that`s a killer.

KISHA HEBBON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. And until they find enough probable cause, they cannot make an arrest. And obviously, they`re looking

for evidence of someone who was involved or how these girls were murdered, and until they find that, there is no arrest that can be made. There`s

actually no probable cause, and that`s necessary here.

CASAREZ: But Joey, the cause of death -- why can`t some of this be released at this point?

JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, it`s important and I understand what the sergeant`s doing to protect the integrity of the investigation, so

someone doesn`t come and give false information that they only would have known had they been there, but they heard it on the show.

But listen, you know what, Jean? I`m encouraged by the police work here for a number of reasons. Number one, a judge doesn`t sign a warrant for

probable cause to search a home unless there`s specific information in there such that the judge is satisfied that that home is identifiable to

what occurred on the scene.

Number two, I think forensics in this case is significantly important and because, I hate to say it, but the bodies were recovered so close in time,

you don`t have that deterioration issue. And so you`ll find blood and you`ll able to test it. Any hair, fibers, you`ll be able to test that.

Anything else that would be of significance, even saliva you`ll can test. And so because of the forensics involved and the distance and the proximity

of times when the bodies are found, I think it`s very important.

The final thing, of course, eyewitnessed. But when you`re in the woods, I mean, you know, there`s limitations on how many people would have seen it,

which goes back to your issues and questions, Jean, in terms of the surveillance, the cameras and what other information is out there with

these images.

CASAREZ: Sergeant, Let me ask you about the autopsy reports. I know they were completed yesterday. I know they were extensive, two autopsy reports.

When will those reports be concluded and finished?

RILEY: I really can`t tell you that. I know we`re still waiting on, like, the toxicology reports, all the evidence that was taken off the bodies.

That`ll all have to be analyzed. So it could take -- of course, we are putting a rush on everything, but it still could take weeks before all that

information comes back.

CASAREZ: Now, I do know toxicology can take some time, but I also know in a case like this that DNA can be put on an expedited process. Do you

believe foreign DNA was found on these girls?

RILEY: I can`t comment on that at this time.

CASAREZ: All right. All right. This is a very basic question, but did they have their shoes on? Were they as they were as they were walking on

that trail?

RILEY: I`m sorry, but I can`t make a comment on that, either.

CASAREZ: All right. One last question. This community has never had a double homicide, Sergeant, from what I understand, and it has been years

that Delphi, a community of 3,000, has even had a murder. What do you say to this community tonight because a shooter is on the loose, a killer, a

double murderer?

RILEY: Well, we tell people, like we`ve been telling since this has all started, you need to be safe out there. We are working 24/7 to try to

solve this horrendous crime. We are looking diligently for this person or persons that committed this crime.

But we also want people to realize, you know, this is a small town community. People are very close. They know each other. They go to

school together. Even though we`ve got two high schools in this county of about 20,000 people, you know, a lot of people work at the same places. So

these people all know one another. And they look to each other for strength and comfort (INAUDIBLE) They look to each other for that helpful

sign that they -- that they`re -- that the need to keep going ever day, especially after such a tragic event.

CASAREZ: Sergeant, one last question before we go. Our producers estimated approximately 30 sex offenders in a 10-mile radius of Delphi.

Are you looking into that area?

RILEY: Yes, we are. We`re looking -- we`re looking at every angle. We`re looking at social media. We`re looking at sex offenders. We`re looking

every direction we can to try to come up with that, some information on trying to catch these people that did this.

[20:25:02]CASAREZ: All right, Sergeant Kim Riley, thank you so much for joining us. We will keep on this case.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I remember times like that all the time. For me it's not so weird.

I do not unless there is a reason to make note of a certain time and I know that I need to know ahead of time. I especially do not when browsing SM and I’m not nearly as prolific on SM as LG.

 

[Jabarn]

He would have to have been added by them or be with someone who had been added. No need for him to have user name/password access.

That’s what I understand, as well CK. Not sure if anyone following the Snapchats posts is a clue, and not sure what to make of it that this could be a possible angle, esp after 2 years when every one of the friends/subscribers would have been looked. So it’s prob a dead end.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I am posting this early transcript because it addresses a couple of things we have been discussing. I even wonder if they had not found Libby's phone when this interview was done because the audio is not mentioned at all. They also say they do not have a time stamp on the SC photos. This is from a post on page 2 of the media thread.

CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez, in for Ashleigh Banfield. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. This is PRIMETIME JUSTICE.

Breaking news tonight as investigators are digging everywhere for the clues in the shocking double murder of two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana. We

do have information to report. The state police are serving a search warrant at a home in Delphi. Now, this is in response to information that

police received through tips and through interviews giving probable cause to search the home. No word on whether there have been any arrests at this

hour.

Also and tonight, a community is mourning the 13-year-old Abigail Williams and her friend, 14-year-old Liberty German. As we have been reporting in

this developing story, the girls were believed to be hiking in the woods on Monday when they vanished. The girls were not picked up at an appointed

time. They just weren`t there. But their bodies were found the next day and identified yesterday.

With a killer on the loose, many residents are on high alert tonight.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t take your eyes off them for a minute because there are predators out there, and that`s the reality of life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Most of the people are scared and worried about their kids and their grandkids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if they`re not scared, then there`s something wrong.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And police are still looking for this man in this picture to ask what he may have seen. Now, in this photo, he appears to be on a high

bridge. It is believed to be the same bridge where Liberty took this photo of Abigail and posted it to Snapchat. This is the last trace of the girls

before they were found murdered.

And joining me tonight, first of all, defense attorney Kisha Hebbon and Joey Jackson. But first of all -- and we are going to go to Sergeant Kim

Riley in just a minute. He is with the Indiana State Police.

But we do want to being tonight with Lindsey Eaton. She is a reporter for CBS 4, Fox 59 in Indianapolis. Lindsey, you are at the scene tonight.

Tell us what you have seen with executing of this search warrant at a home?

LINDSEY EATON, FOX 59/CBS 4 (via telephone): Correct. Correct. We`ve been out here for about an hour. State police did serve a search warrant

at this home. Within the past hour, some of the authorities have left. There is still quite a large presence of authorities out here. We have

seen detectives bringing out some boxes from this home.

There`s a field next door to this home. We saw detectives with flashlights looking through the field. At this point, the latest we have heard no

arrest has been made. And the troopers -- or Sergeant Riley actually just told us about an hour ago that they don`t anticipate any arrests to be

made, that this was sort of following up on a tip that they received. He said this is just another piece of the puzzle, but following up on each and

every tip.

CASAREZ: Lindsey, I want some more detail here. How many boxes have you seen authorities take out tonight? Have they taken anything other than

boxes, any carpeting, any mattresses, anything?

EATON: We have not. We have not. We saw maybe just a couple -- like I said, we got here around 7:00 o`clock. We saw maybe a couple boxes taken

from the home. I can tell you there was no crime tape around the house. There are a few authorities still out here. They were searching the field

next door. We saw them going around the house, in and out of the front door. And that`s about it at this point.

[20:05:09]CASAREZ: Have you seen anyone come out of the house, anyone that appears to live in that house?

EATON: We have not.

CASAREZ: Have you talked to anybody in the neighborhood of who might live in that house?

EATON: We just got here about an hour ago. And to tell you the truth, there aren`t many neighbors out here. As you guys have reported, this is a

very rural area out here, not too many neighbors from where I`m standing here right now.

CASAREZ: All right. And joining us tonight is Sergeant Kim Riley. He is with the Indiana State Police. Thank you so much for joining us at such a

pivotal time in this investigation. Sir, I do want to ask you, the search warrant that is being executed right now -- first of all, you did have a

warrant, it`s not just based on probable cause.

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone): It was a search warrant, yes.

CASAREZ: OK. So you went to a judge, and a judge signed off on this warrant. Why did you select this home in Delphi?

RILEY: Through the investigation with the tips and the interviews we`ve had, we had probable cause to go into the house and do a search on it.

CASAREZ: OK. That sounds fairly significant. You know, I want to talk to you about the picture that has been circulating of a man that you want to

talk with. And I think we do have that photograph. This is the area you say, that it was possibly even the same bridge that the two girls were

walking on. This is the walking trail, the Delphi historic trail, and this is the Monon High Bridge, you believe. Have you been able to locate this

man to talk with him yet?

RILEY: Not as yet. We`re still in the process of trying to get some (INAUDIBLE) information on who the subject is.

CASAREZ: OK. Do you believe that he lives in Delphi, which is about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis?

RILEY: We have -- we`re not sure where the subject may be from or where he lives. But that`s why we put this information out so we can try to get him

tracked down so we can talk to him and just find out what he has seen or saw on the bridge when he was in that area about the same time as the girls

were.

CASAREZ: All right. And Sergeant, about the time the girls were, which leads me to the timeline. These two young girls -- they did not have

school that day. So we know that -- is it true that you believe a relative dropped them off to just have a day for them to be on the walking trail?

RILEY: Right. One of the family members of one of the girls dropped them off at one of the tributaries, so to speak, of the trail, and then they

were supposed to be picked up between 3:00 and 3:30 that afternoon.

CASAREZ: 3:00 and 3:30? So they weren`t going to be there too long. So it was about 1:00 o`clock that they were dropped off, do you believe?

RILEY: I believe it was right around 1:00 o`clock, and then they were supposed to be picked up by another relative at -- between 3:00 and 3:30.

CASAREZ: No, the photograph that is the Snapchat photo that is tragically taken by one of the girls -- there it is right there -- of her friend, this

was taken at approximately what time? What is the timestamp on the photo?

RILEY: Well, because it`s a Snapchat, there is no timestamp on it, so we`re not sure of the exact time. We know it was after the time that they

were let off. But the exact time, we do not have that.

CASAREZ: Now, there`s a lot of things going on social media that nestled in the foliage there may be a human being that is lurking. Have your

forensic investigators looked at that photograph to determine if there is someone amongst the branches behind her?

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the

picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture

up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you

see at the end of the tracks.

And the part where you see the trees, we`ve blown that up, and we have not been able to significantly say that that`s a person. As a matter of fact,

we`ve pretty much come to the conclusion that it`s just a shadow, is all that is.

CASAREZ: All right. Now, the tragic thing is that this photograph right here was taken possibly minutes before. You don`t -- I don`t think you

have the timeline of when they were murdered, but their bodies were found. Can you describe for us where their bodies were found because it wasn`t

exactly on the trail, right?

RILEY: No, it was not. It was actually on private property that was in probably about a quarter of a mile from the location where that end of that

bridge is at.

[20:10:06]Actually, that bridge is not even part of the trail at this time. It`s -- they`re in the process of trying to get money to make that part of

the trail, but that actually, if you notice where the two poles are at that I pointed out in that picture, that is actually the end of the trail. And

that`s where, I mean, kids and people just go ahead and walk on across that bridge at their own risk.

CASAREZ: Now, the private property where these two beautiful young girls were found, was there a home on that property?

RILEY: There is a home on the property. It is about, I`m going to say, probably about half to three quarters of a mile away from that location,

but it`s more to the north of the location of where the bodies were found.

CASAREZ: Now, I know the crime scene processing took quite a while, a long time. Why did it take so long?

RILEY: We wanted to basically turn every leaf over that was in that area. It was in a wooded area. We just decided we wanted to make sure that we

covered everything, that was looked at everything, that -- you know, that we -- like I said, that no leaf was not left unturned. And plus, we wanted

to make sure and get the pictures and get the information off the bodies as far as DNA and anything else that we could find. We just wanted to make

sure that was all done and done correctly and done properly.

CASAREZ: That`s right. And it is one of the most important parts of this investigation.

Sergeant, please don`t go anywhere. We`re going to take a short break. But I`ve got many more questions because you have to solve a double murder,

and we want to do what we can to help you.

Now, we`re not done here. There is a manhunt for the killer of two Indiana teens, and now police say tips are turning into big leads as they serve a

search warrant at a home in Delphi. This happened minutes ago.

Our breaking news coverage continues.

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CASAREZ: And we do continue to follow breaking news tonight, a manhunt for the killer of two teenage girls in Indiana, their bodies found near a creek

less than a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where a picture of one of the girls was taken. Tonight, police descending on a home, serving a

search warrant connected to the case. What could they be looking for, and why do they still want to talk to this man, who they say was spotted on the

bridge around the same time that the girls were walking? That`s next.

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[20:17:04]CASAREZ: And we do have breaking news tonight. Detectives -- they are desperately searching for a breakthrough in the double homicide of

Indiana teens Liberty German and Abigail Williams. We are getting the latest from Indiana State Police, including news on the search of a home in

Delphi. It was prompted by tips and interviews, this as the investigation into the killings heats up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search is on for a killer in the small city of Delphi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, everybody`s upset!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Abigail Williams and Liberty German disappeared after hiking near the Monon trail bridge. 24 hours later, a search crew

volunteer found the teens` bodies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Double homicide investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a grainy picture of a man seen on the Delphi historic trails Monday, the same day the girls disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have nobody in custody at this time Yes, there is somebody out there that did this horrendous crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to get to the bottom of this. We feel confident.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And my panel is back with me. We also have from the Indiana State Police, Sergeant Kim Riley, who is joining us. Sergeant, thank you

so much. We do know that a picture, and it may have been minutes before these girls were murdered, but Abigail Williams, a Snapchat photo of

Abigail Williams is there on the trail which was a railroad line.

Did you find that picture on one of the girls` cell phones?

RILEY: I really can`t answer that question at this point in time while we`re in the investigation.

CASAREZ: All right. I know Snapchat is something that, you know, people who subscribe can get it. But their phones, their iPhones -- did they have

phones with them? Obviously, one did. They took the picture.

RILEY: Well, I can`t answer that question at this time because of the investigation and what`s going on.

CASAREZ: I do understand, definitely. The picture of the person that you want to talk to because we`ve got two pictures in this case -- this person,

this man, unidentified -- I`m just wondering is there a security camera out there that took this picture? Was it a hunter`s camera? Was it a wildlife

camera?

RILEY: At this point in time, I can`t comment on that, either. I`m sorry. I don`t want to compromise the investigation at this time.

CASAREZ: Do you have any more surveillance video or photos at all that you are looking at because since there was a home in the area, the two girls

were found on the property, there could have been a camera? Any other visual images?

RILEY: We`re still looking into that information that`s still out there that we`re looking into cameras and stuff that were on private property

that was on residences in the area, but none actually on the trail itself.

CASAREZ: So the two young girls were found together. Does it appear that one may have witnessed the murder of the other? Are you looking for just

one person?

[20:20:04]RILEY: I really can`t comment on that at this point in time.

CASAREZ: Were they clothed?

RILEY: I definitely can`t comment on that. We don`t want to compromise the investigation.

CASAREZ: I understand. Was the cause of death obvious?

RILEY: I`m not -- I`m not going to comment on that, either, at this time. We don`t want to give any information out that somebody (INAUDIBLE) people

will start reading information and they come in and start saying that this and that, that they were involved in the case because they know what

happened. We don`t want that kind of information coming forward. So we`re going to keep that quiet.

CASAREZ: I understand. You know, I do want to go to our attorneys, Kisha Hebbon, Joey Jackson. Kisha, this is an important part because this is the

investigation. There is someone out there that`s a killer.

KISHA HEBBON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. And until they find enough probable cause, they cannot make an arrest. And obviously, they`re looking

for evidence of someone who was involved or how these girls were murdered, and until they find that, there is no arrest that can be made. There`s

actually no probable cause, and that`s necessary here.

CASAREZ: But Joey, the cause of death -- why can`t some of this be released at this point?

JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, it`s important and I understand what the sergeant`s doing to protect the integrity of the investigation, so

someone doesn`t come and give false information that they only would have known had they been there, but they heard it on the show.

But listen, you know what, Jean? I`m encouraged by the police work here for a number of reasons. Number one, a judge doesn`t sign a warrant for

probable cause to search a home unless there`s specific information in there such that the judge is satisfied that that home is identifiable to

what occurred on the scene.

Number two, I think forensics in this case is significantly important and because, I hate to say it, but the bodies were recovered so close in time,

you don`t have that deterioration issue. And so you`ll find blood and you`ll able to test it. Any hair, fibers, you`ll be able to test that.

Anything else that would be of significance, even saliva you`ll can test. And so because of the forensics involved and the distance and the proximity

of times when the bodies are found, I think it`s very important.

The final thing, of course, eyewitnessed. But when you`re in the woods, I mean, you know, there`s limitations on how many people would have seen it,

which goes back to your issues and questions, Jean, in terms of the surveillance, the cameras and what other information is out there with

these images.

CASAREZ: Sergeant, Let me ask you about the autopsy reports. I know they were completed yesterday. I know they were extensive, two autopsy reports.

When will those reports be concluded and finished?

RILEY: I really can`t tell you that. I know we`re still waiting on, like, the toxicology reports, all the evidence that was taken off the bodies.

That`ll all have to be analyzed. So it could take -- of course, we are putting a rush on everything, but it still could take weeks before all that

information comes back.

CASAREZ: Now, I do know toxicology can take some time, but I also know in a case like this that DNA can be put on an expedited process. Do you

believe foreign DNA was found on these girls?

RILEY: I can`t comment on that at this time.

CASAREZ: All right. All right. This is a very basic question, but did they have their shoes on? Were they as they were as they were walking on

that trail?

RILEY: I`m sorry, but I can`t make a comment on that, either.

CASAREZ: All right. One last question. This community has never had a double homicide, Sergeant, from what I understand, and it has been years

that Delphi, a community of 3,000, has even had a murder. What do you say to this community tonight because a shooter is on the loose, a killer, a

double murderer?

RILEY: Well, we tell people, like we`ve been telling since this has all started, you need to be safe out there. We are working 24/7 to try to

solve this horrendous crime. We are looking diligently for this person or persons that committed this crime.

But we also want people to realize, you know, this is a small town community. People are very close. They know each other. They go to

school together. Even though we`ve got two high schools in this county of about 20,000 people, you know, a lot of people work at the same places. So

these people all know one another. And they look to each other for strength and comfort (INAUDIBLE) They look to each other for that helpful

sign that they -- that they`re -- that the need to keep going ever day, especially after such a tragic event.

CASAREZ: Sergeant, one last question before we go. Our producers estimated approximately 30 sex offenders in a 10-mile radius of Delphi.

Are you looking into that area?

RILEY: Yes, we are. We`re looking -- we`re looking at every angle. We`re looking at social media. We`re looking at sex offenders. We`re looking

every direction we can to try to come up with that, some information on trying to catch these people that did this.

[20:25:02]CASAREZ: All right, Sergeant Kim Riley, thank you so much for joining us. We will keep on this case.

Thank you!

The 2:07 time was posted on FB I believe before the girls were found. I think it was posted on the evening of the 13th. The only way anyone could get the exact post time at that time is from Snapchat, if they were there when it was posted to SC (I do not think the FB poster was there), if they happened to note the exact time when posted, or screen shotted the post as it was posted.

 

[CSIDreamer]

It’s not weird for LE to check at all. That is something they should and would do. It would be weird for KG to remember something was posted at exactly 2:07.

If you are “friends” with someone on SC you can look at their story at any time and see what is on it. All KG would have to do is check LG’s story to be able to see the pics. She actually said that was where LG posted the pics and I’m sure they were “friends”. The time stamp on the story would say how many hours it was posted ago (if it has been over 59 minutes) and not a specific time. It would look exactly like the one all over the internet, but if she looked at 6:07 it would say 4 hours ago instead of 7 hours ago.

You can access SC from any device that has the app so it’s weird that he’d ask if she had the same phone. I access it from both my phone and tablet all the time. Have to put in the password if you switch devices though.

I'm not sure it's weird depending on who you are. My brother called me at 10:22 on a Friday morning to tell me my dad had just died. I remember not only the time but exactly where I was on the interstate when he called. I'm guessing those entire days until shock set in are seared in her memory. JMO

 

[Cutiekitty]

That’s what I understand, as well CK. Not sure if anyone following the Snapchats posts is a clue, and not sure what to make of it that this could be a possible angle, esp after 2 years when every one of the friends/subscribers would have been looked. So it’s prob a dead end.

Maybe that’s what they were looking at in the beginning and someone told them what they wanted to hear so they cleared him.

I was more focused on the time because of the re-enactments saying it was the time when I knew it was possible that it was not. I wanted to know where it came from and FB (and subsequently the media) is the only source I could find.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I'm not sure it's weird depending on who you are. My brother called me at 10:22 on a Friday morning to tell me my dad had just died. I remember not only the time but exactly where I was on the interstate when he called. I'm guessing those entire days until shock set in are seared in her memory. JMO

The post was made before anything happened - she had just dropped the girls off. If something significant happened I can see noting the time. If nothing is going on other than you are browsing SC I still think it would be weird to note post times. I really don’t think that is what KG did - the 2:07 time has been accepted as THE time. It was probably posted close to that time, but 10-20 minutes earlier could change some of the scenarios out there. That’s what I was trying to get at about the time.

Sorry about your dad.

 

[Jabarn]

Maybe that’s what they were looking at in the beginning and someone told them what they wanted to hear so they cleared him.

I was more focused on the time because of the re-enactments saying it was the time when I knew it was possible that it was not. I wanted to know where it came from and FB (and subsequently the media) is the only source I could find.

Yes, I tried to reply to the longer post to the key points on Tresir’s post, especially the Snapchat, but my iPad wasn’t having it, not allowing me to scroll and delete to the key parts. The timeline is important as a possible perp establishing an alibi.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Yes, I tried to reply to the longer post to the key points on Tresir’s post, especially the Snapchat, but my iPad wasn’t having it, not allowing me to scroll and delete to the key parts. The timeline is important as a possible perp establishing an alibi.

There is that too.

 

[BNA]

He would have to have been added by them or be with someone who had been added. No need for him to have user name/password access.

Are you saying prior communication? Because I have been guessing prior communication.

 

[Jabarn]

Are you saying prior communication? Because I have been guessing prior communication.

Not sure there is evidence of that, but I have paid attention to what is considered important in the investigation and what is not. What is considered important (for now) is someone with local ties, maybe having lived there at the time, having a job in the area, or having lived there in the past. What’s missing is why he showed up at the bridge area that day, what information he had, what his plans were, and if any derailment of his plans happened.