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I'd also add to the list of possible motives:
8. Protect criminal manufacture or distribution operation from discovery - drugs, sex, guns, etc.
(not saying I "prefer" that possibility for consideration... just cannot eliminate it.)
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and IIRC, JH said they have the info on it.
IIRC, they figured it out and has nothing to do with L & AWow, dark SUV with “rear windshield COVERED in decals.” You’d think someone in that town would know that vehicle! Why didn’t cops mention that vehicle in any PCs??? If they had already figured out who it was Kelsi wouldn’t be regretting daily not studying the car more.
I think Abby and Libby were targeted.
No random killing as mentioned above with HD III
JMO
Hi there @YemelyanNot trying to be argumentative, just genuinely curious - for anyone who still thinks the killings were targeted and not random after reading TL's answer in the Carroll County Comet last week - how do you reconcile his answer to the question "were the murders planned?" He said "Not planned. Victims of circumstance or opportunity."
To me, that would seem to rule anything targeted out. But I'm wondering, if you still believe it after reading his answer, why? Is he lying? Are we not correctly interpreting what he's saying? How does a targeted scenario still fit into that?
Hi there @Yemelyan
I really have no contrite answer for you
just a feeling I have had since the beginning.
I realize we are all about facts here and what TL says is considered fact.
I also realize that LE can modify news accordingly.
Just my feeling since it happened and over the past 4 years, I have tried to look at different scenarios of it not being targeted but I still feel it is.
I have no fact to base it on other than my 4 yrs of research and going to Delphi .. it is JMO is all.
I knowOkay. Thanks for the friendly and honest answer. I'm just trying to understand how all perspectives still persist with the new facts as they come out.
Not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely curious - for anyone who still thinks the killings were targeted and not random after reading TL's answer in the Carroll County Comet last week - how do you reconcile his answer to the question "were the murders planned?" He said "Not planned. Victims of circumstance or opportunity."
To me, that would seem to rule anything targeted out. But I'm wondering, if you still believe it after reading his answer, why? Is he lying? Are we not correctly interpreting what he's saying? How does a targeted scenario still fit into that?
Thanks @steeltowngirlI think of it this way. If a man kills another person in a fit of rage, it’s not planned in advance. But it IS targeted at the other person, because that’s the person they are angry with.
A person may have a circumstance happen that causes him to rage at a particular person, or be triggered to commit an act of violence. Maybe not even at any one person in particular, but anyone that fits the bill. Let’s say a man has just gone through a nasty breakup and he’s angry at women in general. An unhinged man might walk by ten other men, then see a young woman and she becomes his immediate target. He didn’t plan it (although legally it might be considered premeditation). But he had the circumstance to become violent, and the opportunity.
Just tossing some thoughts out there.
Not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely curious - for anyone who still thinks the killings were targeted and not random after reading TL's answer in the Carroll County Comet last week - how do you reconcile his answer to the question "were the murders planned?" He said "Not planned. Victims of circumstance or opportunity."
To me, that would seem to rule anything targeted out. But I'm wondering, if you still believe it after reading his answer, why? Is he lying? Are we not correctly interpreting what he's saying? How does a targeted scenario still fit into that?
I am surprised he answered that honestly.I wanted to bring some information here from the latest Carroll County Comet article (part 2 of the Q&A with Tobe Leazenby). This is not the full article. The full paywalled article can be found here: Sheriff Leazenby continues to answer double homicide questions | Carroll County Comet
The article was long and almost all questions were things that were previously answered or the information is available in other MSM sources or from the two approved podcasts about the case.
But, here are a few things I personally found interesting:
Question: What sorts of information do investigators continue to look at for this case? Answer: Several aspects specifically associated with February 13, 2017.
Question: Is familial linkage via DNA databases being used in this case? Answer: This is an evidentiary question and will not be answered.
Question: Do you know how the murderer was able to gain control of both girls at once? Answer: It is believed by manipulation and intimidation factors.
I think of it this way. If a man kills another person in a fit of rage, it’s not planned in advance. But it IS targeted at the other person, because that’s the person they are angry with.
A person may have a circumstance happen that causes him to rage at a particular person, or be triggered to commit an act of violence. Maybe not even at any one person in particular, but anyone that fits the bill. Let’s say a man has just gone through a nasty breakup and he’s angry at women in general. An unhinged man might walk by ten other men, then see a young woman and she becomes his immediate target. He didn’t plan it (although legally it might be considered premeditation). But he had the circumstance to become violent, and the opportunity.
Just tossing some thoughts out there.
I understand what you are questioning.I'd agree that most crimes are "targeted" in the sense that, out of all the people who could have become victims, the offender chooses the ones which best fit either his fantasy of the crime, or are the best opportunity to achieve his goal. His goal might be, choosing the young woman instead of ten men (in your example), because he calculates that any of the ten men might hit back and overpower him so he chooses the "weakest" victim - though he could be wrong.
However, my question was for the people who think the Delphi murders were a planned (not circumstantial), targeted (to only these particular victims, and decided in advance, not opportunistically) crime. In other words, people that hear the sheriff say they were victims of circumstance or opportunity and still reject that in favor of theories where they were lured there specifically by a person who targeted them and only them.
Crime scene!Thanks. What’s the CS?
Actually, at the time this crime happened, February 2o17, trucks were not required to be tracked. A new regulation from the government was set to take effect in December 2017(later moved to April 2018) requiring that all trucking companies have trucks that are equipped with EDL's. Many smaller carriers did not use EDL's and it was going to put added cost into having the truck fitted with this new equipment. I do not know how the regulation progressed or how it is today. This is what I remember from back then.
I only know this because as this period was approaching truck drivers were getting angry over the new government regulation. Time matters in trucking and drivers do not like to wait, especially at places that keep them way over their appointment time for pickup or delivery. I asked why the drivers were angry because I always thought the drivers had to keep logs. The anger came from actually being tracked. I asked how it was done before EDL's with the paper logs. The response was, "We lie." Paper logs make it easy to lie about working and rest time.
According to drivers this is how they get around companies that keep them waiting for hours on end. Or else based on the driving and rest periods, drivers would have to be careful taking loads from companies that make them wait. The frustration was so bad that many long time drivers said they were thinking about leaving the industry because of these government regulations.
The point is drivers do get tracked by brokers and the companies they work for. But up until December 2017, it was not a requirement to be tracked.