Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #136

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sandy_80 said:
maybe they are insistent cause this ( tattoo guy ) thing has ridiculously blown out of proportion without any valid reason ? there has been recently a fight on tiktok.. with lots of ignorant users saying the case has been solved and closed.. that's what SM does
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I didn’t know that. Yes, I understand that is definitely not productive.
 
sandy_80 said:
maybe they are insistent cause this ( tattoo guy ) thing has ridiculously blown out of proportion without any valid reason ? there has been recently a fight on tiktok.. with lots of ignorant users saying the case has been solved and closed.. that's what SM does
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Very true. I was searching on my Google search engine for "Delphi murder update" and a little further down it has suggested questions people ask. One is "who is the Delphi killer?" And when I click it, an article about JBC shows there. So definitely irritating to see the way something gets blown through media.
 
JDough said:
Perhaps they know JBC is not involved? IF this were the case, I understand completely why the families don't want JBC to be the focus of so much attention. It could potentially dissuade someone from calling in a tip that may lead to BG. In a sense, if someone suspects they may have valid information, they now don't need to report it. (LE has already caught their man).

There have been many, many individuals (that look like BG) LE is far more interested in. They just don't announce it to the public. Just like they haven't announced every search warrant, every DNA sample collected, and every person they have questioned. Believe me when I say there have more than just a few.

LE has much more information than we do, and they are not obligated to release it to anyone. I can almost guarantee that JBC has already been questioned about Abby and Libby, and his DNA has been collected. If JBC were "the man" responsible, LE would not wait to make an arrest- even for another case to be resolved first. IMO, JBC has much less importance to LE than he does the public.
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Such indications as we have say the investigation ain't goin' there with JBC. I wanted to believe the opposite.
 
all sides of this argument concerning JBC know less than zero about what is going on regarding him as a suspect.
mOO

added by me; LE can put a stop to JBC being a suspect in the media at anytime, by coming out and dismissing him.
 
I don't think we can read anything either way into what LE is or isn't saying about JBC. They might be disinterested, they might be waiting on lab results, they might getting ready to file charges, there might be things going on that we don't even suspect. They wouldn't necessarily tell the family and they certainly wouldn't tell us (and no reason they should).
 
carbuff said:
I don't think we can read anything either way into what LE is or isn't saying about JBC. They might be disinterested, they might be waiting on lab results, they might getting ready to file charges, there might be things going on that we don't even suspect. They wouldn't necessarily tell the family and they certainly wouldn't tell us (and no reason they should).
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All true.
As the adage runs- especially in true crime-, Time will tell.
 
Does anyone here honestly think reporters and others are not calling the LE and asking for a statement regarding JBC? That all media outlets including Daily Mail just dropped this thing like a hot potato never to return?

no way..NO WAY..
 
minazoe said:
Does anyone here honestly think reporters and others are not calling the LE and asking for a statement regarding JBC? That all media outlets including Daily Mail just dropped this thing like a hot potato never to return?

no way..NO WAY..
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I don’t think they have necessarily dropped it, but the local media and reporters have done a very poor job of covering this case. They are not proactive and tend to sit and wait for LE to approach them with information. Any follow up I think would be coming from wider and bigger news outlets and this story is probably not their number one focus. I sure wish someone would step forward and ask about a clarification on JBC.
 
minazoe said:
okay well I pull up 1300 articles on google..so are you telling me out of all these releases, either AP or staff writer...out of all these no one is doing a good job of following up?

mOO
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On the one hand, I see @StarryStarryNight ’s point. On the other, LE may have put a hold on info to reporters….o_O
 
Why do LE make statements like (paraphrasing)

talking about when they have the suspect ‘we want to ask the suspect what he knows about the case’

or Doug Carter talking about not releasing COD helps them identify him saying ‘we won’t release that info because only the killer knows the cause of death’

do they really think when they arrest BG he’s just going to spill all the beans?? He won’t tell them anything, that’s what criminals do...
 
minazoe said:
Does anyone here honestly think reporters and others are not calling the LE and asking for a statement regarding JBC? That all media outlets including Daily Mail just dropped this thing like a hot potato never to return?

no way..NO WAY..
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I think there's only so many times you can ask, as a reporter, for a comment on JBC before you lose interest (and so might your audience). If all you are getting from LE is a "we are aware of him but no one is ruled in or out at this time" then that's not really the makings of an article of interest at this point. Unless something changes with regard to him.

So I don't think the press is being throttled so much as, there is nothing to report right now. I believe all search warrants in this case are sealed so unless they have a well-placed source willing to talk, there is a limit to how much digging they can do.
 
IMO to arrest BG they just need

1) Identification of the car at the CPS building, then it leading back to him as I believe that’s where he parked

2) DNA breakthrough

3) He gets arrested in an unconnected matter

I believe they alreAdy have witnesses who could confirm in a police lineup that it’s him.
 
ShamelessObserver said:
do they really think when they arrest BG he’s just going to spill all the beans?? He won’t tell them anything, that’s what criminals do...
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It's not about all the beans...just a few spilled beans can be helpful.

Let's assume LE knows the murder weapon is an antique muzzle-loading black powder musket.

Say they bring a guy in for questioning, and he spontaneously utters something out of nowhere like "I don't even own an antique black powder rifle."

If LE has been careful to withhold info about the murder weapon, that would be a major indicator that the guy knows specific info about the murder that only the killer(s) could know.

It provides a chink in the armor that can be used to focus attention on that particular guy. IMO
 
drama_farmer said:
It's not about all the beans...just a few spilled beans can be helpful.

Let's assume LE knows the murder weapon is an antique muzzle-loading black powder musket.

Say they bring a guy in for questioning, and he spontaneously utters something out of nowhere like "I don't even own an antique black powder rifle."

If LE has been careful to withhold info about the murder weapon, that would be a major indicator that the guy knows specific info about the murder that only the killer(s) could know.

It provides a chink in the armor that can be used to focus attention on that particular guy. IMO
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You’re right in what you say, but this is a guy who LE haven’t arrested in four years. Something tells me when he’s eventually arrested he won’t say anything other than no comment. He’s had four years to plan out what he’ll do when he’s eventually arrested. They need more than just his name to charge or arrest him. They need to put him at the scene, hence why I think the car is important.
 
ShamelessObserver said:
Why do LE make statements like (paraphrasing)

talking about when they have the suspect ‘we want to ask the suspect what he knows about the case’

or Doug Carter talking about not releasing COD helps them identify him saying ‘we won’t release that info because only the killer knows the cause of death’

do they really think when they arrest BG he’s just going to spill all the beans?? He won’t tell them anything, that’s what criminals do...
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There are some YouTube channels that show (and break down the psychology of) an official police interview. They are instructive in how to think about interrogation and what might go on if a suspect in the Delphi case was questioned.

Police don't simply bring the person in, say "what do you know about this? Nothing? Okay."

Usually the interrogator goes through a very detailed questioning of how or if a person might know the victim, what exactly they did that day, and they go at these points in several different ways so they can see if the story is changing. Sometimes just in the course of this type of questioning, small details are revealed in the suspect's knowledge that he could not be expected to know unless he was at the scene. However, even if this doesn't happen, a second phase of the interview may occur.

In phase two, the suspect may be asked something like "what do you think the killer of these girls might have done? Would he have crossed the creek with them? Why do you think their clothes were in the creek?" For example. And the answers to these questions would be analyzed - the "hypothetical" situation. Often a suspect will reveal details here that incriminate him if there are facts held back from reporting on the case or that otherwise could not easily be guessed.

Finally, there is a specific technique of interrogation used often in the US called the Reid technique. You can see an excellent example of this at work in the Chris Watts murder interrogation, which is widely available to be viewed. In this technique, the interrogator presents a "lesser evil" scenario to the offender to see if he will agree that this other, not-quite-as-bad scenario, was what occurred. In the Chris Watts example the interrogator offered up the scenario that his wife hurt their kids first and he retaliated by killing her. Then they let him talk to his parents and he immediately "confessed" to them this alternate version of events that was not "as bad." But this is not the endpoint. They keep working on inconsistencies in your story and the evidence until they eventually get the suspect to incriminate himself in the actual scenario that occurred. In the Delphi case, if LE knew, for example, that a sexual assault had occurred or been attempted, they might present the scenario that the girls made fun of the suspect and he killed them in a rage. They know this is likely not the motive but they want to see if he will agree to this other, "not as bad" scenario that doesn't involve child rape, and see what real details he might also admit to.

If you want to read about the interrogation of a suspected child killer which actually took several years to bear fruit (the suspect was imprisoned on other charges at the time), read The Last Stone by Mark Bowden.

All MOO.
 
here is my argument for you regarding ( tattoo guy )
he is clearly a moron ..the kind that has a problem keeping his mouth shut and do the stupid SM posts .. he doesn't even look threatening or has the creep look
is this the way you view ( BG ) after all what said and done
really
like really
its true we don't know much about the case.. but there also a lot that can be sensed and developed
 
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