Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #139

[IceIce9]

This quote from the article stood out to me. It was reiterated during the broadcast as well.

"This information was used while contacting juvenile females to solicit nude images, their addresses and in attempts to meet with them."

There has to be a digital footprint between one of the girls (or both) and the anthony_shots account. Someone who had access to the fake account wanted physical contact with juveniles. If it wasn't KK, it was someone else who had access to the account or to the information that KK collected.

It's a rabbit hole, but at least it appears to be a legit rabbit hole.

What if he had made contact to Libby’s phone and she had the factory reset done to wipe out the contact?

 

[MistyWaters]

So where exactly was KAK on 2/13/17? Has he actually been ruled out?

I’m trying to make sense of the dates and timeline from the information that’s been released.

LE has Libby’s social media, including her Instagram, so at a minimum they know if / when the anthony_shots profile first liked her Insta. Did he deny that was him operating the account at that time?

On Facebook, KAK listed his employment at the California Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas as starting 2/13/17. Have they confirmed this with the Casino?
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His ISP record records the date of this charge as 2/17/17. Yet the Peru search warrant wasn’t executed until 2/25/17. So, how did this charge occur on 2/17/17?
35-42-4-4(b)(2)/F4: Child Exploitation enhanced by an aggravating factor found in 35-42-4-4(c)(1).
Indiana Supreme Court public access case search - MyCase

KAK’s home address was linked to the profile account in Feb. 2017. “A subpoena sent to Comcast for an IP address led investigators to a residence in Peru”
Court documents show no link between fake online profile and Delphi murders | 95.3 MNC

I’m thinking one of KAK’s victims somewhere in Indiana reported him to LE, filing a complaint on or before 02/17/17, which in turn supported the search warrant on his residence. The Delphi murders just occurring at the same time, then comes information about this despicable character hiding himself behind a fake online persona and attempting to arrange hookups, he probably rose high on the suspect list very quickly. JMO

 

[Rural_PC]

Speculation:

This guy is local is what we heard from law enforcement.

Could it be they know this because KAK sent someone a message saying that the girls were at the bridge? And because the person who received the message was able to get to the site quickly establishes that he is local?

 

[distracted]

What if he had made contact to Libby’s phone and she had the factory reset done to wipe out the contact?

It depends how that contact was made. If it was made on Instagram, the data would still be held on the app until Instagram purges data - and that is if they really purge data. If there were photos exchanged, those would be in iCloud storage at least as long as the account exists and perhaps longer, if not forever.

People think that erasing and uninstalling apps wipe data permanently. It's not true. It hasn't been true since at least 2011 when the first cloud storage was created. There's a reason we say "the internet is forever".

 

[MistyWaters]

Speculation:

This guy is local is what we heard from law enforcement.

Could it be they know this because KAK sent someone a message saying that the girls were at the bridge? And because the person who received the message was able to get to the site quickly establishes that he is local?

Of all the many details known about this case, the photo of the bridge that Libby sent by SC reads to me like an announcement intended to be meaningful to someone, similar to a text msg that might say “we’ve arrived!!!”

I just can’t shake that thought, especially because BP has insisted throughout that the trip to the bridge wasn’t preplanned. Otherwise why would Libby send that SC pic, a location where the SC recipients wouldn’t even expect them to be at? I feel strongly the link to the killer can be found somewhere in her SC friends list, not saying a direct link, even an connection made unknowingly.

It just seems far too much of a coincidence to me that the sending of the bridge pic via SC is also a blatant announcement of where they could be found. How often does something like that happen to identify the location of murder victims and be totally unrelated? JMO

 

[Snufkin]

I am not a tech wizard by any means. But could it be possible that BG somehow discovered what Libby's device was called and then able to track it down when nearby or something? I guess what I am thinking is when I for example want to connect via bluetooth I see nearby devices that are not my own as well. I think I have accidentally even shared something with a neighbour before...So he wouldn't necessarily be in direct contact with them on the day but could locate the phone or something?

 

[distracted]

Of all the many details known about this case, the photo of the bridge that Libby sent by SC reads to me like an announcement intended to be meaningful to someone, similar to a text msg that might say “we’ve arrived”. I just can’t shake that thought, especially because BP has insisted throughout that the trip to the bridge wasn’t preplanned. Otherwise why would Libby send that SC pic, a location where the SC recipients wouldn’t even expect them to be at? I feel strongly the link to the killer can be found somewhere in her SC friends list, not saying a direct link, even an connection made unknowingly. JMO

I also believe her actions were intentional. She was smart, technologically savvy and knew her camera and video operations as well as anyone. I'm certain he didn't even know he was being recorded.

But she wasn't expecting BG. She might have been expecting someone, but it wasn't him. I don't know if I would have had been able to pull off what she did. It is remarkable - she gave us what should have been enough to find him and arrest him. It's so aggravating that it still hasn't happened.

 

[anotherjenny]

Maybe the contact was not with Abby and/or Libby, but someone else who did announce they (someone else) was going to the bridge that day, and instead BG came upon Abby and Libby alone on the bridge as his opportunity?

 

[Marzipan]

recording BG is a sign these girls were more aware than you are giving them credit for..i say that doesn't go with being catfished and i stand by this assessment

I feel two ways about this post. First, I know Libby was interested in investigation and she could have been trying to investigate; she or Abby or even another friend of theirs could have been a been a victim perhaps.
Second, they could have been catfished even though they were savvy girls and solid, decent young people. I just don’t want to roll with any possible idea that if they were scammed at this very young age, it takes away any “credit” due them.

 

[TheVisual]

In the years we have been following this case several super sicko’s have come to our attention. The ones we have been able to discuss are DN, GK, JBC and now KAK. Am i forgetting anyone?
I think there was another man who was arrested for child *advertiser censored*..? I can not remember who but I think it was in msm.

CE

 

[MistyWaters]

I also believe her actions were intentional. She was smart, technologically savvy and knew her camera and video operations as well as anyone. I'm certain he didn't even know he was being recorded.

But she wasn't expecting BG. She might have been expecting someone, but it wasn't him. I don't know if I would have had been able to pull off what she did. It is remarkable - she gave us what should have been enough to find him and arrest him. It's so aggravating that it still hasn't happened.

I agree. By all accounts Libby was smart and I also believe she took that video of the man for a specific reason. It may’ve been Abby who was expecting someone and Libby was leery of him. It’s indeed very aggravating that she did such an outstanding job at leaving behind the pieces and LE haven’t been able to put them together to read her message.

 

[PoppyJune]

While I don’t think KAK looks like BG, maybe he didn’t act alone. IMO. Maybe KAK assisted and BG is a friend or acquaintance.

 

[justice_hunter]

Super interesting, and I suspect he might sell data in bulk, 10 addresses to 20 people, not an address per person. I still remember that Google trends peak in MHB coming from IL. Is it possible that someone living/staying in Illinois chose Delphi because of certain convenience? (Neighboring state, maybe some relatives/friends/ex living nearby? Some knowledge).

It is possible. Monticello, Indiana is just 20 minutes north of Delphi and is the home of the Indiana Beach Amusement Park, campground, and two lakes, Shafer and Freeman. Many Illinoisans have lake cottages in Monticello and visit this area in the summer months due to it's proximity to Chicago (about 100 miles south).

 

[justice_hunter]

Speculation:

This guy is local is what we heard from law enforcement.

Could it be they know this because KAK sent someone a message saying that the girls were at the bridge? And because the person who received the message was able to get to the site quickly establishes that he is local?

Peru is pretty local to Delphi... it's only about 35 miles away or so.

 

[anotherjenny]

Speculation:

This guy is local is what we heard from law enforcement.

Could it be they know this because KAK sent someone a message saying that the girls were at the bridge? And because the person who received the message was able to get to the site quickly establishes that he is local?

The tip line was changed from an 800 # to a local one, I believe. Not sure if that is of significance or not.

 

[Doghairrules]

We don't allow linking to personal FB pages, but this is the Lamborghini company page, and I believe where anthony_shots probably got the Lambo image from. Image was uploaded April 12, 2015.

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O/T but do any of the rest of you get a little thrill when the mods participate in the conversations? It's always so exciting for me for some reason. #imaybeagoof

 

[StarryStarryNight]

recording BG is a sign these girls were more aware than you are giving them credit for..i say that doesn't go with being catfished and i stand by this assessment

Since Feb 13 2017, I dismissed any suggestion that the girls were catfished or their trip to the trails were anything but a last minute idea.
I retained that opinion even when that theory was the rage on WS.
I firmly dismissed any catfishing suggestions when LE said they had found no internet link to the murders
And on Dec 6 2021 at 9:32pm I dismissed my opinion that the girls were not catfished or the internet was not in play in their murders. I was wrong, and apparently LE was too until something recently came to their attention.
I was quite pleased with my thoughts on the case up until this week’s police bulletin, but I’m not going to ignore this new information just to preserve it.

 

[Tower]

Of all the many details known about this case, the photo of the bridge that Libby sent by SC reads to me like an announcement intended to be meaningful to someone, similar to a text msg that might say “we’ve arrived!!!”

I just can’t shake that thought, especially because BP has insisted throughout that the trip to the bridge wasn’t preplanned. Otherwise why would Libby send that SC pic, a location where the SC recipients wouldn’t even expect them to be at? I feel strongly the link to the killer can be found somewhere in her SC friends list, not saying a direct link, even an connection made unknowingly.

It just seems far too much of a coincidence to me that the sending of the bridge pic via SC is also a blatant announcement of where they could be found. How often does something like that happen to identify the location of murder victims and be totally unrelated? JMO

I think your theory is really interesting and should not be discounted. However, I spend a lot of time with girls this age. Posting a snap of every single thing going on around them is what they do. It’s like breathing. “Here I am walking to the bus, at the bus stop, here’s the sunrise, here’s my outfit, my shoes are cute, there’s a bird in that tree.” Snap, snap, snap to Snapchat. That sequence above was my child’s actual morning, then she has to turn off her phone all day at school. So I’m not sure there would be any meaning at all behind the girls’ snap of the bridge, even though we find it significant, knowing the horrible events that occurred later. Jmo

 

[IceIce9]

One iPhone, last used May of 2015, contained sexual images of girls around the age of 14. The geo-location on the images came back to cities in Indiana, including Bunker Hill, Galveston, Indianapolis, Kokomo, Monterey and Royal Center.

Some of the “cities” mentioned here are very small towns. Monterey probably has less than 200 residents and Royal Center might have 700-800. Bunker Hill has less than 1000.

Man behind account investigated in Delphi killings identified | wthr.com

 

[Rural_PC]

Since Feb 13 2017, I dismissed any suggestion that the girls were catfished or their trip to the trails were anything but a last minute idea.
I retained that opinion even when that theory was the rage on WS.
I firmly dismissed any catfishing suggestions when LE said they had found no internet link to the murders
And on Dec 6 2021 at 9:32pm I dismissed my opinion that the girls were not catfished or the internet was not in play in their murders. I was wrong, and apparently LE was too until something recently came to their attention.
I was quite pleased with my thoughts on the case up until this week’s police bulletin, but I’m not going to ignore this new information just to preserve it.

An open mind is a beautiful thing. I have always thought that social media had a role, even while law enforcement was telling us otherwise. But I need to eat crow in regards to this being a cold case. I had thought the case had indeed went cold, but I was incorrect. Happily incorrect.