Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[mom2chloe]

Interesting to learn that marijuana was legalized in Las Vegas on January 1, 2017. Why would anyone allege they couldn’t procure legal weed there in 2017? Idk why KAK and TK went to Vegas after the murders but it wasn’t to acquire legal week for sure. IMO

 

[LeBlack]

From The Murder Sheet podcast The Delphi Murders: Father and Son

 

[Spartygirl]

I think it’s pretty clear LE believes more than one person was using the AS account so I don’t understand why it’s always referred to as KAK saying or doing something when there is a clear distinction, in my opinion, between KAK and AS.

True
If he indeed shared his info into a dropbox and shared it with others, it could be anyone.

That is why, IMO the ICAC and GBI were called in right away.

I mean, I get why they may be called in anyway when there are 2 murdered teenagers, but they were called in ASAP, IIRC.

I am going back over notes and saved info from the beginning and kicking myself for not following the path of SM or catfishing as my thick headed brain kept thinking elsewhere.
There are so many clues and articles and statements now clear to me involving a SM type catfishing/ meet up.
UGH
That will teach me.

 

[GryphonQueen]

Both girls were just kids. My opinion only, someone told L to factory reset her phone because they wanted the phone wiped clean of something. Again, my opinion only, I recall the story being L's phone was "glitching" so she or ? Physically factory reset the phone. At the age of the girls and with my children being the same ages, the number one concern was losing pictures. My girls, they wouldn't have wanted to do anything to lose those pictures. An adult may have known to back the phone up to something. But again this was kind of early in the internet wild west. A picture or pictures may have been on her phone that someone wanted to be sure they were off. Educated speculation (mom intuition) on my part

IMO - My new theory on the phone wipe has to do with the “blocking” of her. IF she was in fact, in love or infatuated with this AS character and figured out he blocked her, she may have been upset & it somehow made its way back to him… and so he unblocked her and AS explained it away as a glitch on her phone or bad signal and that he totally would never do that & just to be sure the messages “delivered” she should reset her whole phone to make sure.

all just my opinion & speculation of course!

 

[Ravenmoon]

KAK and his dad got back from Las Vegas on February 25,2017.
Does anyone know the date that they left Indiana to go to Las Vegas?

MOO
EBM

 

[MistyWaters]

Interesting to learn that marijuana was legalized in Las Vegas on January 1, 2017. Why would anyone allege they couldn’t procure legal weed there in 2017? Idk why KAK and TK went to Vegas after the murders but it wasn’t to acquire legal week for sure. IMO

Part of the conversation was about he and his partner not obtaining a business licence to buy and deliver the marijuana. KAK’s ridiculous response was it wasn’t required because the regular delivery of pot to their customers was “a gift” although he admitted they were paid money for the service. I’m sure the interrogator raised his eyebrows because it was an incredibly bizarre example of justification for doing something illegal. JMO

 

[zencompass]

BBM I find it telling that his response to the question did you hear about Liberty? was “OMG what happened” and not just a simple no
He wasn’t asked did you hear what happened to Liberty?

Great catch @Dotrat !

 

[MistyWaters]

In the MS podcast, after they read that story, the podcasters pause to explain that this is a true story of something TK did to a boy. They then said they actually talked to the boy (I don't know when this toilet incident occurred or how old the boy is now). I have not found court records regarding the incident, but maybe we'll hear more about it from MS.

Imo, KAK did react to that story, though. He said, "Jesus Christ" and went on to express how he thought that man should die for what he did.

I thought it was interesting how he gave absolutely no indication he was personally aware of the incident.

 

[LeBlack]

I thought it was interesting how he gave absolutely no indication he was personally aware of the incident.

The victim was interviewed and the podcast will be aired Tuesday

 

[Yemelyan]

KAK and his dad got back from Las Vegas on February 25,2017.
Does anyone know the date that they left Indiana to go to Las Vegas?

MOO
EBM

It doesn't pinpoint it exactly, but February 21, 2017 is the date when photos first appear on their social media accounts of them in the Las Vegas/Nevada area.

 

[MistyWaters]

The victim was interviewed and the podcast will be aired Tuesday

So you don’t think KAK was aware of this incident involving his father?

 

[LeBlack]

So you don’t think KAK was aware of this incident involving his father?

It's not something TK would have bragged about if KAK didn't live with him at the time. I am sure KAK is aware of his father's tendencies.

 

[MistyWaters]

It's not something TK would have bragged about if KAK didn't live with him at the time. I am sure KAK is aware of his father's tendencies.

I think the police interrogator would’ve known if KAK was aware of it or not. For example if KAK was underage he may’ve been removed from his father’s home by Child Protective Services. If KAK didn’t know what happened I can’t think of the point of it being told to him anonymously because I just can’t believe the interrogator wasn’t aware of the inter-connected relationship.

Even if it involved a step-sibling I believe KAK did know and it was put to him as sort of test, yet he just passed it off without acknowledging any personal awareness in much the same fashion as he disassociated everything put to him throughout the entire interview. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I thought it was interesting how he gave absolutely no indication he was personally aware of the incident.

He gives no indication of being aware of anything...that's his thing, IMO. He doesn't remember anthony_shots talking to Libby or ever even being in Delphi. He doesn't drive but he does have a Grand Am and he doesn't leave his house but does go here and there sometimes. He never heard of the Delphi case but yet he did searched it extensively and has done other things he doesn't remember doing, connected to the case.

He figures if he keeps saying I don't remember and prove it in a court of law to LE there's nothing LE can do to him or they would have already. Without physical evidence linking KAK to the crime scene/victims physically, he's probably right.

It's why LE is so careful about saying were not saying you killed anybody, why they're dancing around that a lot. If they said that straight out in your face, we know you killed them, he'd not only lawyer-up but charges would be expected. Can't have charges yet if you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt to get conviction. Until you can, it's a talk talk talk talk talk to the main suspect to get a confession.

AJMO and speculations.

 

[photographer4]

Speaking of the father, did you all catch the out-of-the-blue story the interrogator told KAK about the little boy and the father slamming the kid’s head in the overflowing toilet (pg 175/176). There’s one small unnecessary detail that stood out for me - after the mother attempts to intervene he punches her, hits her and “bites her in the stomach”.

KAK seemingly doesn’t flinch at all, smooth as a cucumber showing nothing more than mild interest goes on to make a comment, assuming the boy had died. But earlier, at least twice, he’s been asked if he has a thing for girls’ stomachs. Is this just a coincidence?

I firmly believe interrogators don’t go into these interviews unprepared, everything they say is for a reason. It might be my imagination but I got the distinct impression the little boy was KAK and the interrogator threw a real life happening to him, looking to gauge his reaction. KAK had earlier contradicted himself by disclosing he either remembered traumatic events or he buried and forgot them. If I’m right, he proved to the integrator he had the ability to pretend to intentionally bury virtually anything he chose to, perhaps even a connection to Libby and Abby’s murder.

JMO

Bite on stomach would make a clear signature to me.

 

[photographer4]

to me.

In the MS podcast, after they read that story, the podcasters pause to explain that this is a true story of something TK did to a boy. They then said they actually talked to the boy (I don't know when this toilet incident occurred or how old the boy is now). I have not found court records regarding the incident, but maybe we'll hear more about it from MS.

Imo, KAK did react to that story, though. He said, "Jesus Christ" and went on to express how he thought that man should die for what he did.

someone is or has interviewed the kid in the story and if I recall it’s murder sheets and yet to be released? Don’t quote me as I can’t find a link so MOO. But if so then that wasn’t KAK in the story unless they interviewed him.

 

[gregjrichards]

Bite on stomach would make a clear signature to me.

I hadn’t thought of a signature like this. It’s possible but I imagine law enforcement would want a person of interest to bite into a dental mould and it would be possible forensically to compare the bite mark on victim’s remains with the shape of an individual’s teeth. The Medical Examiner would likely be able to give an estimate of how long a bite mark was present on a victim’s remains.

It would be challenging to protest and convince people of your innocence if your teeth matched the bite mark on a victim’s remains and the Medical Examiner said the bite could possibly have occurred approximately when the murders tragically happened. If they had this kind of very strong evidence which linked the bite mark to a known individual an arrest would likely have been made already. I don’t know how challenging it would be or not legally to obtain a mould of an individual’s teeth who wasn’t under arrest yet in Indiana.

I’m reading about the information that is being revealed from the podcast and the redacted evidence that has been posted and discussed here with interest. It is difficult to try and not get your hopes up that law enforcement is closing in on B.G and anyone else who may be linked to the murders. I really hope and pray for the girls and their loved ones that an arrest(s) will be made in the not too distant future. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the investigation in the upcoming months.

 

[Ekliptika]

If this is a catfish case, I am wondering why it ended up in murder. I do not know a lot about catfishing, is this something murderers (serial killers) use as a way to find victims to kill? Or is catfishing more used to SA the victim(s). Why did this end with 2 dead girls and within such a short timeframe? Why would you come prepared with weapons (if in fact BG did that)? To intimidate someone to SA them? Why to you catfish someone to meet you somewhere, what are your intentions? Anyone knows any good research on this topic? What is the criminal/psycological profile of people doing this?

 

[gregjrichards]

BBM I find it telling that his response to the question did you hear about Liberty? was “OMG what happened” and not just a simple no
He wasn’t asked did you hear what happened to Liberty?

This is a very interesting and important observation. Why did he reply with OMG what happened? It seems like an overreaction and very dramatic if someone had no idea if something good or bad may have happened to Liberty. I imagine the majority of people would reply No. What about Liberty? Not ‘OMG what happened’. Putting ‘OMG what happened’ gives me the impression that an individual suspects something dramatic and serious has happened to someone.

I’m not accusing him or anything to do with the girls murders I’m just discussing the response he gave to the question he was asked.

 

[k-mac]

But I’m wondering why she reset her phone when she wasn’t yet past her…struggling for word here and don’t feel comfortable with infatuation; maybe her victimization.
Unless it really did have tech problems or KAK/ashots told her to reset. Minor point, but just curious. Doesn’t take away from what you are saying about your original suspicion of catfish.

I wonder if there was something happened that frightened her??
PUSHED for something she didnt want....or nafarious anyway.
So she deleted all traces of him...hence the reset.
But he reined her back in.....probably through facebook.
the murder was pretty quick after that factory reset transpired :-/

moo