Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #148

[sunshineray]

MOO but I can't doubt KK and TK involvement at this time. JBC is someone who needs to be off the streets for ever. But re Delphi, MOO, but the Kline's are responsible.

It's really seems to be looking that way. Was it BP or KG, I can't recall which, said once...JBC is a monster, he's just not our monster. I do think though that it's very real possibility the K's knew him.

 

[Imvp2]

I'lll bet KK did know JBC. Just looking at a site such as Familywatchdog.us , regarding registered child predators, one will note a volume of them living in the Peru and Delphi area. I can't help but wonder if there is an even great number of unregistered child predators there as well. Birds of a feather. These creeps share a common interest. Hopefully this investigation will stop many.

 

[Zabble]

Well I suppose this is the beginning of the end. Progress has been made steadily throughout 2022 and I bet LE is closer to charging someone now that they were a year ago.

 

[sunshineray]

New Murder Sheet podcast episode dropped this afternoon. Details of where KAK was taken while in the custody of ISP and some information about what he told them he was doing at the time of the murders. They caution that while they have verified that KAK said certain things to police, what is not known is how truthful he was being. Seems to me that the MS hosts' sources have shared with them who the target of the investigation is and that members of LE are feeling like the case is getting stronger.

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So KAK was sitting in a red Jeep...somewhere.

His phone was located on North Country Club Rd in Peru viewing *advertiser censored* around the timeline of the murders. Was it left there for an alibi?

KAK did a google search for the Marathon gas station in Delphi, IIRC, the morning of the murders. No usable surveillance video was able to be recovered by LE forensics of that Marathon's traffic on the 13th. I wonder if that's where the red Jeep was waiting?

On the map it's all woods from the crime scene and then wood lined fields (after you cross the highway) to the street that Marathon station is located. An easy way out to a waiting vehicle?

Do you think it's possible these murders were that premeditated?

 

[Charlot123]

Thank you, you're very kind to say.

One expert on the podcast has an interesting take on this, he said that the exploitation crimes against children are so prolific that every single one of us personally knows both 1. Someone who has been exploited and 2. Someone who is seeking out this type of material online and has successfully hidden this secret so far. These people are in our circles of friends, coworkers, neighbors, and family - we just don't know who they are. Very sobering thought.

But what if these people are well-known and have connections? What if people might even heard of them committing such crimes, or it would not surprise anyone if they did, but it happened far away, during so-called “sex tourism”? Haven’t we heard about it? The society itself is very feebly responding to such cases, btw. As it stands, such a guy may have dozens of victims all over the world, and only two in the US. He may still be preying somewhere.

 

[Yemelyan]

But what if these people are well-known and have connections? What if people might even heard of them committing such crimes, or it would not surprise anyone if they did, but it happened far away, during so-called “sex tourism”? Haven’t we heard about it? The society itself is very feebly responding to such cases, btw. As it stands, such a guy may have dozens of victims all over the world, and only two in the US. He may still be preying somewhere.

Not sure I understand your post (your comment and mine may be discussing completely different things).

I believe the expert whose opinion I was relaying was only trying to say that the internet exploitation of children through CSAM is so much more common than the average person knows, that every one of us is friends with someone who is secretly participating in that type of crime and we do not even know it.

He wasn't commenting on cases that are swept under the rug due to people's connections, or people doing other illegal activities that involve children that aren't internet-based. He also wasn't trying to draw a conclusion about the Delphi killer specifically, just making people aware of a society-wide problem that is bigger than most people are aware.

 

[Charlot123]

Not sure I understand your post (your comment and mine may be discussing completely different things).

I believe the expert whose opinion I was relaying was only trying to say that the internet exploitation of children through CSAM is so much more common than the average person knows, that every one of us is friends with someone who is secretly participating in that type of crime and we do not even know it.

He wasn't commenting on cases that are swept under the rug due to people's connections, or people doing other illegal activities that involve children that aren't internet-based. He also wasn't trying to draw a conclusion about the Delphi killer specifically, just making people aware of a society-wide problem that is bigger than most people are aware.

Sorry. I thought by sexual exploitation of children, he referred to any form of pedophilia.

 

[Yemelyan]

Sorry. I thought by sexual exploitation of children, he referred to any form of pedophilia.

Ahh, okay, thanks for explaining. No, I think as an internet crimes against children expert, he was only talking about part of the stuff KAK is right now formally accused of, the exploitation of children to produce these materials over the internet and sharing/downloading the materials. In fact, he specifically said that most of the people perpetrating these internet exploitation crimes are not going to go on to become "hands on" offenders, but occasionally...they do.

 

[Speculaytor]

WHOA!!! Just seeing the titles over at YouTube. Has this case FINALLY been solved?? UNBELIEVABLE!! The minute they found the Anthony Shots account and tied it to the Klines, then the communication between Libby and the account the day of murders was too coincidental, I figured they had them.

 

[sandy_80]

WHOA!!! Just seeing the titles over at YouTube. Has this case FINALLY been solved?? UNBELIEVABLE!! The minute they found the Anthony Shots account and tied it to the Klines, then the communication between Libby and the account the day of murders was too coincidental, I figured they had them.

how it solved exactly ?
a podcast CLAIMS that our fav pathological liar has been telling tales .. thats it

 

[TL4S]

So KAK was sitting in a red Jeep...somewhere.

His phone was located on North Country Club Rd in Peru viewing *advertiser censored* around the timeline of the murders. Was it left there for an alibi?

KAK did a google search for the Marathon gas station in Delphi, IIRC, the morning of the murders. No usable surveillance video was able to be recovered by LE forensics of that Marathon's traffic on the 13th. I wonder if that's where the red Jeep was waiting?

On the map it's all woods from the crime scene and then wood lined fields (after you cross the highway) to the street that Marathon station is located. An easy way out to a waiting vehicle?

Do you think it's possible these murders were that premeditated?

I keep coming back to that phone looking up p**n from the wifi at the house on CC Rd. Firstly, why would he need to connect to wifi with his phone? I know some people do, but don't phones usually have their own data? Was it poor reception? Or was it one of KAK's deactivated phones that needed a wifi signal to work? IDK. I don't get that part, but in the interview, LE said that occurred during the time KAK said he'd been at his grandparents, which was either 12 to 2, or 12 to 3. It takes about 40 minutes from Peru to Delphi, so we also don't know if KAK's phone was looking up p**n that entire time, or maybe just prior. It could have been from 12 to 1 and still had time to drive to the trail and be to the end of the bridge by 2:13.

 

[TL4S]

I don't know what to think about the whole KAK in the red Jeep thing, but I will say, having one person on the bridge ordering them across the creek to a person waiting on the other side, near the CS, would actually explain the one thing that has bothered me the most about this crime...the creek crossing. I never questioned the logic of having the girls cross, it was the reasoning why the killer would ever do that himself. Unless the girls were running, which I just don't think happened. In the above scenario, though, neither the killer nor the accomplice would ever have to set foot in the water. The accomplice directs the girls and then turns around and goes back up the hill and crosses it again to go back (if they didn't take part in the murders). IDK...just more thinking.

ETA: KR once said something about the killer knowing the area, knowing where to cross the creek. I guess that doesn't necessarily have to mean the killer himself crossed, only where to have the girls cross. It also fits JH saying that none of the reenactments were accurate.

It's not a new idea to have an accomplice lead them to the scene where the killer awaits, but I think it was always assumed the accomplice stayed for the murders. Maybe he didn't. IDK...

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I keep coming back to that phone looking up p**n from the wifi at the house on CC Rd. Firstly, why would he need to connect to wifi with his phone? I know some people do, but don't phones usually have their own data? Was it poor reception? Or was it one of KAK's deactivated phones that needed a wifi signal to work? IDK. I don't get that part, but in the interview, LE said that occurred during the time KAK said he'd been at his grandparents, which was either noon to two, or noon to three. It takes about 40 minutes from Peru to Delphi, so we also don't know if KAK's phone was looking up p**n that entire time, or maybe just prior. It could have been from noon to 1 and still had time to drive to the trail and be to the end of the bridge by 2:13.

Just my though, but I never thought KAK was at that address on Country Club Road. I did think his phone was there though and someone else was using it to look at CSAM.
That’s just how I read that part of the interview transcript. It was pretty convoluted and confusing to me.

edit: forgot a sentence

 

[sunshineray]

I keep coming back to that phone looking up p**n from the wifi at the house on CC Rd. Firstly, why would he need to connect to wifi with his phone? I know some people do, but don't phones usually have their own data? Was it poor reception? Or was it one of KAK's deactivated phones that needed a wifi signal to work? IDK. I don't get that part, but in the interview, LE said that occurred during the time KAK said he'd been at his grandparents, which was either noon to two, or noon to three. It takes about 40 minutes from Peru to Delphi, so we also don't know if KAK's phone was looking up p**n that entire time, or maybe just prior. It could have been from noon to 1 and still had time to drive to the trail and be to the end of the bridge by 2:13.

I would think having an old previous phone without a data plan to look up *advertiser censored* on wifi hotspots or at your friends/family homes is probably a common occurrence. If you switch out the sim card too, to one not in your name, right? I've had people come over and ask for my wifi password and aI've been at people's houses where I can't get a mobile data signal and asked to use their wifi. It will be interesting to see if anyone from that house will come forward and say if KAK was there or not around the time of the murders. IMO...not

 

[TL4S]

Just my though, but I never thought KAK was at that address on Country Club Road. I did think his phone was there though and someone else was using it to look at CSAM.
That’s just how I read that part of the interview transcript.

It very well could be. It's just like...how the he** many people in his circle are CSAM users? What is the likelihood KAK's device was there being used by a third party, for the very same thing KAK himself used it for. The whole birds of a feather thing might apply, but still. It's all crazy.

 

[TL4S]

Why would KAK suddenly implicate himself after 5 years of denying it? It makes me wonder if LE does have phone data placing him in Delphi that day. Or some other evidence. I know KAK is a liar, but hopefully LE has held back enough evidence to know whether what KAK is saying fits the crime. This is exactly why LE has held back and I'm glad they did if it works.

 

[crussell821]

I truly hope we are nearing the end here. My gut tells me we are. I’m not sure who was actually on the bridge, but I’d bet dollars to donuts at this point that it was either KK or TK and they’re both involved. Hopefully we will hear more soon, I know we will all be here solemnly celebrating when we finally have someone behind bars. MOO

 

[sandy_80]

you recall that murder case when a crazy women ( Pavlinac ) made a false confession that implicated her and he bf and they stayed in prison for years until the real one was caught..and it turned out she did out of spite ?
fabricating info for hope it gives immunity isnt new..it depends if any REAL evidance is there ...cause the MS have done thier duty by exposing the murder weapons

 

[minazoe]

so are we on presser watch?

 

[Ekliptika]

I Think that the Murder Sheet and Barbara McDonald and her team knows more that they are not letting out to the public to protect the case.
There was someone on Reddit, who 1 week ago wrote very similar information to what the MS has just released in their latest episode as to what KK has confessed. Either there is a source telling false information to several people or the Reddit person made this up and posted it on Reddit, where MS picked this story up, or this is in fact true information. I believe and hope for the last, because this may mean that we are very close to get justice for the girls.