Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #93

[NameUser]

Especially if the rest of the audio is nothing but the sounds of terror. That would probably not be helpful to the people in BG's life and it certainly wouldn't be helpful for strangers like us.

Agreed, family(i believe grandfather) said in early interview that they were making videos asking each other questions and chatting about "typical girl stuff" Would be very hard if it were my child to hear her voice over and over again. Then see on sites like this where someone would most likely pick apart what there are saying and link it to some sort of under ground drug ring or worse.

 

[Quinquin]

But if he's not in the system because he hasn't had to give DNA before, it can be hard to match him up. I mean he may have left DNA and stuff. But he had to have been in the system for them to match it.

When I did the DNA test on 23andme I could not believe the profile I was given. Hair color, eye color, freckles or not, skin color, weight range (slim, overweight)....so many other markers that were spot on. Like others here have said, with a good enough sample, a pretty decent general description is possible. That is why I'm concerned with the quality of the DNA that they have, if they have any at all. These kinds of cases have to place a lot of weight on DNA match imo.

 

[acutename]

He’s not looking at the girls because he’s concentrating on where he needs to step.

If your on a phone or tablet move your device around to get a 360 degree view. After looking down at the bridge you will see how important it is to watch your step. It has nothing to do with him not wanting the girls to recognize him imo.
It’s about getting to the end of the bridge without getting hurt by misstep.

RTV6 video

watched this.... for any locals, does the guy's accent sound local? the way he says "down," a little slurred, it sounds a little Southern, IMO. "Dahn the hill."

 

[rosesfromangels]

watched this.... for any locals, does the guy's accent sound local? the way he says "down," a little slurred, it sounds a little Southern, IMO. "Dahn the hill."

I don’t get that at all.
“Down” was very clear to me. No discernible accent in the brief clip that I could detect.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Anyone considered that the sketch is perhaps a woman? I’m looking at the sketch up against someone connected to the family and it’s looking very similar right now.

I don't think so.
It's a mans voice on the recording.

 

[Inthedetails]

Video? You don’t wear a disguise because you think you’ll be recorded! You wear one when you don’t want any witnesses to ID you. The oversized, stuffed jacket, huge pants does look like he was wearing a disguise. I also do believe he was wearing a wig.

If I'm walking on a trail and I see a guy wearing a wig, I would notice that way more than I would notice just some guy walking on a trail. A young man in a wig is not going to look normal unless he has an expensive, professionally made wig - and even then, I think the wig would catch people's eyes.

I can picture someone wearing a hat to hide identity, but a wig, imo, is a stretch.

I think the jacket looks overstuffed because he is using it to carry things he wants handy but hidden.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Jabarn]

When I say "random" I mean in the sense that Abby and Libby were not chosen prior to their trip to the park. They were random in that he did not know them.

I have always felt like he was some sort of random guy out there (like an exhibitionist) waiting for someone to come along. Not sure I am fully away from that thinking, for the moment, but there have to be theories.

I don't think the sexual/pedophile angle should be thrown out even if the girls were not sexually assaulted during the attack. He could have underestimated the girls and then got spooked by something so that he did not have the time to carry out his original intent which could have been sexually driven. He could have killed them out of fear or panic of being caught. I'm just throwing this out there as a possibility.

It does seem like the possibility of SA makes the most sense, looking at other stranger crimes against young girls, if this is a stranger crime. Not sure of the statistics, but would hesitate a guess most stranger attacks were SA motivated.

All that to say, we don’t know anything about the motive and the DNA angle doesn’t seem to be providing much information to help out since there may not be any, or it may be so degraded it isn’t useful (thinking about the likely crossing of Deer Creek) or the perp was interrupted.

 

[Wells]

In the sketch recently released, some people including myself have noticed a slightly lazy right eye. I understand BG was walking carefully because he was on the bridge with uneven boards but is it possible he has always walked a little carefully, or even awkwardly if you will, due to a minor vision impairment?

 

[carbuff]

Hey, I started to see Bigfoot last night while viewing the video too many times. I knew then it was time for some shut-eye!

There was a photo of the bridge with some raggedy trees in the background and I was sure I saw a tank. Yeah, a regular Army tank covered in branches. Yeah, hanging 70 feet in the air. But I was soooo sure. When that happens it's time for a break.

eta: Joke.

 

[MistyWaters]

Hi everyone,
I’m very new to this site (but have followed this case carefully in the media since beginning-have kiddos close to this age).

I’m sorry to ask a question that might already have been discussed to death but:
I’ve seen the argument that BG can be seen hiding deep in the background in the trees in the image of Abby on the bridge. I can’t figure out how to find or search this, but saw someone had blown it up and it seemed possible. Do any of you believe this, or has this been dismissed? Thank you!

Welcome!

At one time people claimed they could see a vehicle parked in the distance and the notion became so prevalent or maybe tips flooded in about it because LE publicly disputed it. It was a cement pillar.

I also recall the man in the trees rumour. One of our members here by the initials of GH, sorry I do not have the link, spoke of it and was able to locate the exact area on a different video. If there was a man in the trees he illustrated on the newer video how, amazingly he was still there, in the same position, months later. So no, I don’t believe there was a man in the trees at all.

But not to discount the possibility the murderer was somewhere, watching. More than likely I think he was.

 

[Jax49]

I think it started as Abby’s obituary used 2/14 the date found as date of death, I think, and maybe Libby’s family used 2/13? There was a discrepency I know about the dates. But not about the deaths. Jmo

The autopsies were sealed but the request to seal indicates BOTH girls died on the 13th.

The Court, being duly advised, FINDS as follows: 1) On February 13, 2017 Abigail Williams and Liberty German were killed just outside of Delphi in Carroll County, Indiana. 2) An investigation into these killings is ongoing. 3) No charges have been filed with connection to the killings.

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #87

 

[Ccging]

I think it started as Abby’s obituary used 2/14 the date found as date of death, I think, and maybe Libby’s family used 2/13? There was a discrepency I know about the dates. But not about the deaths. Jmo

Weird, I just googled both obits and Abby’s does say 2/14 and Libby’s says 2/13. Strange.

 

[Jax49]

Weird, I just googled both obits and Abby’s does say 2/14 and Libby’s says 2/13. Strange.

The families chose those dates. The legal death dates are the 13th. moo

 

[mtnlites]

the death certificate placed Abby's death on the 14th, and Libby's on the 13th....IIRC....and there was speculation early on....from Topix when they existed, that Abby was barely alive when found...

I don't know if its true....

also,
does anybody remember, when this first happened and there was all sorts of blogs, etc speculating, that one searcher started early and didn't start with the group?......

the anquish that Carter had was perhaps from knowing that they let the whole investigation ride on the words of a charlatan....

if we don't have an arrest in a week or two, we will know that we're back to square one.....

No, it wasn't true, and Becky Patty cleared this up. Both girls died on the 13th. As far as Topix and Facebook rumors, they are not allowed here.

ETA: Not and now are not the same words.

 

[acutename]

Perhaps he has no hair, and is wearing a wig.

I have wondered if it was windy that day- people must know-and esp. windy on the bridge. I thought that might have been why the video is unclear- hard to hold the phone completely steady. Wind would make wearing a wig tough unless it was glued on. That would be a lot of pre-meditation and effort unless it was worn often anyway.

 

[Ccging]

The families chose those dates. The legal death dates are the 13th. moo

Why would they not choose the same date? Seems odd...

 

[LostInCarcosa]

I have always felt like he was some sort of random guy out there (like an exhibitionist) waiting for someone to come along. Not sure I am fully away from that thinking, for the moment, but there have to be theories.



It does seem like the possibility of SA makes the most sense, looking at other stranger crimes against young girls, if this is a stranger crime. Not sure of the statistics, but would hesitate a guess most were.

All that to say, we don’t know anything about the motive and the DNA angle doesn’t seem to be providing much information to help out since there may not be any, or it may be so degraded it isn’t useful (thinking about the likely crossing of Deer Creek) or the perp was interrupted.

Others have said this as well, and of course any talk of DNA or the usefulness thereof is purely speculative, but it's also quite possible they have decent, even very good DNA.

DNA isn't a magic solve-the-case button. It has to match with a database in order to get an ID off of it, and if BG isn't in the database, all the DNA in the world isn't going to match him.

Yes, you can pull appearance data off of DNA, but that is still a very new process, and I'm in no way qualified to discuss how admissible such evidence would be in court/obtaining a warrant.

 

[slightlyaskew]

Anyone considered that the sketch is perhaps a woman? <modsnip - sleuthing family>

It's plainly stated LE are looking for a male, looking at pictures of random people online and having you mind draw similarities only hurts the investigation. LE has specifically asked people not to partake in such.

 

[NameUser]

I was trying to make sense of the abandon car and have a thought.

Where the car is parked and the time BG comes upon the girls I think times well with he drove past when they were let out of the car and then parked where the car was marked on map. He then walks the trail from the start and catches up to the girls at the other end of the bridge. The timing of parking and walking the extra 1/2 mile or so would put them in the same place at the same time. If BG was out cruising for a victim, he could have seen them from the road and then circled back.

Map of car location in this article posted earlier
Community hopeful after new images, audio released of suspected Delphi killer

edited by me

 

[carmenugt]

Watching The Shack.

The Shack is about a child who gets abducted and murdered by a serial pedophile who leaves behind clues. The father is a child of a alcoholic christian who beats his children. The premise is after his child is killed he struggles with God. What does the sheriff mean?