Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #97

[carbuff]

Wow, thank you. Now thaaat is not as general of a profile as I’ve heard lately, imo.

And you said it turned out to not really be accurate as far as stable employment and family.

What on earth is the profile characteristic of constipation, etc? Was that a genetic predisposition/characteristic found in the DNA? Now that is interesting.

Strongyloides stercoralis is a kind of roundworm. They would have been able to detect it in any blood that he left at the scene of the crime.

CDC - Strongyloides - General Information - Frequently Asked Questions

 

[wary]

guys is not gender neutral
just sayin' ...

It’s gender-neutral in the speech of many people.

 

[margarita25]

Strongyloides stercoralis is a kind of roundworm. They would have been able to detect it in any blood that he left at the scene of the crime.

So interesting, carbuff.

Iirc there was even some talk about if BG may have taken a dump in the woods/urinated, and it's potential significance as related to DNA collection.

 

[margarita25]

guys is not gender neutral
just sayin' ...

This coming from a “Lady”, I can appreciate this lol.

(I noticed I say guys a lot and when I’m in the company of my lesbian friends I try to be sure not to say guys bc I don’t think they like it very much. Therefore I particularly try my best to always address them as “ladies” even though some are indeed masculine. Moo. Hope that came out right and if not, please delete.)

 

[wary]

I'm hoping this summary of facts will be something on which we can all agree. The person depicted in the composite sketch is described as a White male between 5'6" and 5'10", weighing 180 to 220 pounds, with reddish brown hair. His eye color is unknown. The suspect is believed to be between 18 and 40 years old but may appear younger. He said the words "girls down the hill" (may or may not have been all together). It is believed that he is from Delphi: currently or has previously lived there, visit Delphi on a regular basis or works there. It is believed he is hiding in plain sight. He never thought LE would sift gears to a different investigative strategy. It's likely he or someone close to him has been interviewed. This is about power for him. He wants to know what LE knows."

Almost everyone believes that his first word in the released recording is ‘guys’, not ‘girls.’

The rest of your post is taken from the last press conference, and although I have no reason to doubt it, it’s not necessarily all true—LE has already shifted gears once on his description, and they can’t KNOW what his mental state is.

 

[ab01]

Hey guys,

Do we really think the word guys is going to help us identify this guy?

Eta removed serious question

 

[margarita25]

Hey guys,

serious question Do we really think the word guys is going to help us identify this guy?

For real...

That’s what I’m saying, after 2 years this is all they can give us from the audio. This is troubling.

 

[ab01]

For real...

That’s what I’m saying, after 2 years this is all they can give us from the audio. This is troubling.

Ha what troubles me is the audio is not for us it’s for someone who can physically identify the killer......

 

[tmar]

Wow, thank you. Now thaaat is not as general of a profile as I’ve heard lately, imo.

And you said it turned out to not really be accurate as far as stable employment and family.

What on earth is the profile characteristic of constipation, etc? Was that a genetic predisposition/characteristic found in the DNA? Now that is interesting.

I am wondering the same: ? via DNA.

Strongyloidiasis is a disease caused by a nematode, or a roundworm, in the genus Strongyloides. Though there are over 40 species within this genus that can infect birds, reptiles, amphibians, livestock and other primates, Strongyloides stercoralis is the primary species that accounts for human disease.

 

[ocgrad]

The video clip of him walking could be from snapchat, it would have needed to be sent to one of her contacts or added to her story (we have heard the pic of Abby was sent to a friend, not that it was added to Libby's story). Since we have only seen the highly cropped version we really don't know if it was from Snapchat (the tell tale sign would have been up in the left corner on the pre cropped version). The voice recordings she has of him are likely not on Snapchat though, because to record video you not only have to keep the record button held down but then you have to actually do something with it right after its taken (save it to camera roll, send it to someone, post it on your story), and if she was trying to hide her phone or what she was doing from BG that would not have been possible. My hunch there (the voice clip) is like many of you, she quickly hit record on the camera and hid her phone.

I think it was determined she used the video function on the phone and not Snapchat. She must have been adept at opening either smoothly. And it has been said there are several minutes of audio. I always assumed that meant video too but nothing to be seen. BP said she did not have pockets so it is a mystery where she hid her phone or if she did.

 

[TTF14]

Hey guys,

Do we really think the word guys is going to help us identify this guy?
Eta removed serious question

Only if the killer is known to say it excessively....like, it's their thing they are known for saying instead of "um" for instance

 

[wary]

Hey guys,

Do we really think the word guys is going to help us identify this guy?

Eta removed serious question

Nope. I wish it could, but I don’t think there’s anything to be gained from his use of the word. (Except that perhaps he’s not a Southerner. Would a Southern murderer really address his victims as ‘you all?’)

However, someone who knows him might recognize the sound of his voice, and add it to his posture/body shape/general features to make an identification.

 

[ab01]

Only if the killer is known to say it excessively....like, it's their thing they are known for saying instead of "um" for instance

Yah I think that could probably be said of 3/4 of Delphi

 

[ocgrad]

Hi all - new to WS as a member and poster but I have read this thread since the girls were found.

Just my two cents (all IMO):
- I believe LE suspects a particular person but may not have corroborating evidence for an arrest/conviction yet.

- If he is "hiding in plain sight" he would have likely been going about for the last two years as if nothing happened. If LE has a suspect in mind, he or people who know him may have already been interviewed and he may be aware that people are watching. Is he actively covering any tracks that may have never been worrisome to him before, like deleting or making private his social media accounts? Has he withdrawn from social activities and interactions with others in the last few months or weeks? Is he making mistakes at work or school? Taking sick time? Showing unusual anxiety or irritability? What kind of behavior changes would make someone close to him wonder if something is off?

- I feel this was his first violent act, but there probably were previous behaviors known to his family and friends that point to issues like emotional disregulation, anger problems, manipulating others, lying, and/or low self esteem (perhaps masked as confidence, arrogance, or piety). LE gave an age range of 18-40. Let's say he is in his mid- to late-20s, just as an example - did he display emotionally disregulated behavior as a teen or in his early adulthood? Did he later become a model citizen, student, employee, church member, whatever - all the while hiding enormous rage at family, friends, past romantic relationships (or lack thereof), or how unfair life has been? Friends and family may be doubtful that he is a suspect because of this. "I know he used to be really angry all the time, but he's such a good guy now, it couldn't possibly be him - even if he looks like the sketch and I know he didn't show up to work or class that day."
Again, all this is opinion and speculation. Hoping there is an arrest soon.

Great post! Keep contributing!

 

[margarita25]

Someone was asking about a transcription for Dr. Phil; this is an article referencing some quotes from the show it seems:

For reference:

”It’s a very tough situation to live with, and we have a very small, tight-knit community and to think that this person is still right there in our own back yard is overwhelmingly horrible, said Abby’s mother, Anna Williams.

She knows her daughter would not have gone quietly.

If she was going to go down the hill, it would have had to been, like, super-forcing her to go down the hill, she said.

She would have tried to fight back or something if he didn’t."

Snip

"Abby’s mother says there are days she’d rather just not be here.

Every day it’s brand new and it hurts just as bad as the day it happened, she told Dr Phil.

Her greatest fear is in ten years. she still won’t know who killed her daughter."

We have a hole in our family
A year on from the Snapchat murders
THESE best friends gossiped together, giggled together, grew together. Then they were murdered together. A year on, police still don’t know who killed them.
These porch lights won’t turn off until a killer is found

 

[CSIDreamer]

guys is not gender neutral
just sayin' ...

It is, at least in Indiana.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Didn’t LE say the video re-enactments were not correct? Where did I hear that?

I remember reading that but I can't remember where. Was it posted on page 1 or maybe in a link from page 1?

 

[Skully]

Franchise it! Same with DNA testing rape kits. If that could be handled by indy labs certified by LE to drive the cost down, the tens of thousands of untested rape kits might already put BG's DNA in CODIS!

The FBI decides if DNA gets into CODIS, it's not up to LE. You need a full profile to get it into CODIS, and if an out side lab does testing for you, they can refuse the results. We have FDLE, that does our testing, but they don't do DNA testing for us. We have to pay an outside lab to do that and it is expensive. Anything they do test is free for FL LE. But some tests have to be sent out. If FBI or FDLE won't except test results, it won't go into CODIS.

 

[margarita25]

Yesterday I had brought forward a quote from @gregjrichards re: the implementation of cameras. Here’s another quote referencing this by Mayor Evans.

For reference:

"The task force is now in the middle of adding lighting, cameras, informational kiosks and Wi-Fi. Mayor Evans said there will be cameras at each entry point. But, there won't be any along the trails.

"We can't put a security camera at every hundred feet," said Evans. "So what we have tried to do and the recommendation from the trail task force was, to put those security cameras at the entrance to the trails. So that we know who is coming in and going out."

"To set up a system that would retrieve and record information from the cameras requires a much different array of technology, much more cost," said McCain. "And it isn't something that we felt like even for trail walkers to think that they're being spied on all of the time."

Justice for Abby and Libby special report: Revisiting the bridge

 

[wary]

Yah I think that’s 3/4 of Delphi

Come on, you guys. I’d bet that it’s common among people who’ve never been within a thousand miles of Delphi.