Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #98

[Mrs. Grueby]

What if LE has a suspect, this new sketch is from his driver's license and LE just needs help to place him at the trail/parking spot that day. I know what they said, but they are allowed to mislead the public.

Yup... They just need to place him at the trail and, as I’ve been saying, it’s my opinion, that they need to connect him to that particular parking area/car. I think if LE is able to get a reliable witness (placing him on the trail), there will be an arrest. However, I’m worried that doing that is going to be pretty difficult. It’s more likely that someone will turn him in. MOO

 

[Boxer]

I recall this stated as well and it wasn’t that long ago but I can’t find a link so it was probably a video.

Do you remember the source?

I am searching. I thought it was in an article I read, but now have to think it was a video interview snippet.

 

[haven71]

That alibi must have been Convincing. And if the alibi was someone LE respected and trusted, it may explain the depth of emotion at the recent PC.

That alibi? You mean the alibi of Sketch 2?

That implies that they knew without a doubt exactly who Sketch 2 is, and that Sketch 2 is definitely bridge guy who definitely killed the girls, wouldn’t it?

IMO if they knew that...the mystery would already be solved. I’d love to think they know exactly who it is, but it appears that they don’t.

I don’t believe they know who BG is yet. They may have him on a short list, at most. MOO

 

[mekeritrig]

That alibi? You mean the alibi of Sketch 2?

That implies that they knew without a doubt exactly who Sketch 2 is, and that Sketch 2 is definitely bridge guy who definitely killed the girls, wouldn’t it?

IMO if they knew that...the mystery would already be solved. I’d love to think they know exactly who it is, but it appears that they don’t.

I don’t believe they know who BG is yet. They may have him on a short list, at most. MOO

MOO but what seems likely is that someone came forward linking the unaccounted for vehicle at the CPS building to an unidentified person (sketch #2) which also matches the appearance of one of the guys at the top of their lists.

 

[moonlessnight]

say BG is in his early 20's. the girls would have been 6-10 years his junior. Therefore they wouldn't have known him from the middle or high schools. If he was in their church circle, he may have gone off to college for 3-5 years. This would have most likely been during the girls' prepubescent age (somewhere between 8-12 and 10-14). Most kids that age won't know all the adult church members who have gone off to college, so I think they did not know him or recognize him. Even if he attended the same church, they may not have even noticed him the few times their paths would have crossed. He, on the other hand, may have noticed them.

I don't think he was from Delphi, just another town in that area, that made him familiar with that Park, and it's potential for a victim and a getaway with some planning, stalking, and luck....moo

 

[moonlessnight]

I believe LE has stated that they haven't found anything yet to link the cases, but they are investigating that possibility.

Dear @HumboldtOz,

Welcome to this thread! So glad you are here.

Thank you for your insightful first post!

As I understand it, the police have stated that the two horrible incidents are not connected. Possibly the two crime scenes informed the police that they are not related.

I still feel that there are many similarities and can't shake the thought that they are related. Just my opinion.

 

[moonlessnight]

I totally agree. They most likely know very well who their prime suspect is. They need to connect him as the one driving the vehicle that may be registered to more than one person (in the same family), and whatever his alibi is, the person providing it needs to stop covering for him.

Yup... They just need to place him at the trail and, as I’ve been saying, it’s my opinion, that they need to connect him to that particular parking area/car. I think if LE is able to get a reliable witness (placing him on the trail), there will be an arrest. However, I’m worried that doing that is going to be pretty difficult. It’s more likely that someone will turn him in. MOO

 

[Jerrod]

What if LE has a suspect, this new sketch is from his driver's license and LE just needs help to place him at the trail/parking spot that day. I know what they said, but they are allowed to mislead the public.

Indeed they are! Tucson investigators put a gps tracking device on firefighter David Watson's car, then put out a fake press release vaguely claiming there were new developments in the cold case murder of his ex-wife. Concerned, Watson then drove to the spot where he left her body in the desert, which was recorded on the tracking device. Ironically, her body had been discovered and retrieved years earlier, but not processed for years due to the assumption she was an illegal border crosser. (Watson's new wife later confessed to providing him with a false alibi.)

 

[MistyWaters]

The first sketch was released 5 months after the murders.

I too don’t understand why they went 5 months without a sketch, when they already had one.

Clearly they didn’t think it was valid then, but somehow it is now.

Odd, doesn’t begin to describe that.

In hindsight it sure was a poor decision to go with sketch #1. I try very hard to contain my imagination that wanders toward a personal situation that had no direct connection to the murders at all, other than someone’s failed attempt at vindictiveness and revenge toward an innocent person.

“...Riley said fear may have played a role in the witness’ decision not to come forward sooner with a description of the suspect.

“People are scared. They’re scared to be recognized by the subject. It just takes a while for these things to happen,” he said....”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens' deaths

 

[starlord22]

Been thinking about the phone... assuming BG knew Libby had a phone with her (which seems very likely), why did he leave it there when it could clearly become evidence if found?

In some of the early news reports, a family member (I believe Libby's grandfather) said something to the effect that her phone had been "pinging around town" while the girls were missing. What if BG took the phone with him at first, maybe out of panic, then realized that was a terrible idea? Would he come back that night or the next day posing as a concerned citizen in a search party, so he could drop the phone somewhere near the scene?

To be fair this is probably a very long shot but thought I would throw it out there.

ETA - jmo!

 

[MassGuy]

In hindsight it sure was a poor decision to go with sketch #1. I try very hard to contain my imagination that wanders toward a personal situation that had no direct connection to the murders at all, other than someone’s failed attempt at vindictiveness and revenge toward an innocent person.

“...Riley said fear may have played a role in the witness’ decision not to come forward sooner with a description of the suspect.

“People are scared. They’re scared to be recognized by the subject. It just takes a while for these things to happen,” he said....”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens' deaths

I think it was the wrong decision, made for the right reason.

We don’t know how this all went down, but law enforcement clearly had faith in that first sketch being accurate.

It could have been an innocent person mistaken for BG by the witness.

There’s also other possibilities.

The jury is still out here, as we don’t know the details of how this all came to be.

 

[zencompass]

Wouldn't the L.E. show photos of viable suspects to the witness who provided details to the police sketch artist in Feb.2017?

In any event, the witness may already have realized who the individual is and has already spoken with the police about this. The public would not be privy to any of this information.

Makes me wonder if the L.E. need just one more tip to tie this all together.

Alternatively, perhaps the press conference was designed to put pressure on someone who has provided an alibi for the perpetrator and/or refuses to speak to the police.

Seemed to me that the press conference was urging someone to do the right thing. If a person who does have the knowledge comes forward, then there will be an arrest.

I do believe that an arrest will happen soon.

 

[ab01]

In hindsight it sure was a poor decision to go with sketch #1. I try very hard to contain my imagination that wanders toward a personal situation that had no direct connection to the murders at all, other than someone’s failed attempt at vindictiveness and revenge toward an innocent person.

“...Riley said fear may have played a role in the witness’ decision not to come forward sooner with a description of the suspect.

“People are scared. They’re scared to be recognized by the subject. It just takes a while for these things to happen,” he said....”
Witness aided in sketch of suspect in Indiana teens' deaths

personally I think the reason the most recent sketch was probably discarded early on was because they didn't feel like it matched with what they saw in the video and maybe didn't think that the witness was remembering correctly

I think the witness that came along later was probably very convincing in what they thought they saw and the characteristics seemed to match what Investigators thought they saw in the video.

And that witness may even had been trying to influence the investigation/who knows, crazier things have been done

Sometimes things that end up being the right choice doesn't necessarily mean it was the most logical and correct choice based on the evidence that one has at that time.

I can pick a random name out of a hat and they could end up being the killer, It doesn't mean that I made an educated decision

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Been thinking about the phone... assuming BG knew Libby had a phone with her (which seems very likely), why did he leave it there when it could clearly become evidence if found?

In some of the early news reports, a family member (I believe Libby's grandfather) said something to the effect that her phone had been "pinging around town" while the girls were missing. What if BG took the phone with him at first, maybe out of panic, then realized that was a terrible idea? Would he come back the next day posing as a concerned citizen in a search party, so he could drop the phone somewhere near the scene?

To be fair this is probably a very long shot but thought I would throw it out there.

I'm not really knowledgeable about this stuff but is it possible that he did take her phone but that it was set to automatically store things to a cloud? I didn't realize her grandpa said that about her phone pinging all over town. Maybe he did take her phone and never brought it back but LE techs were able to retrieve data stored?

 

[Wells]

That alibi? You mean the alibi of Sketch 2?

That implies that they knew without a doubt exactly who Sketch 2 is, and that Sketch 2 is definitely bridge guy who definitely killed the girls, wouldn’t it?

IMO if they knew that...the mystery would already be solved. I’d love to think they know exactly who it is, but it appears that they don’t.

I don’t believe they know who BG is yet. They may have him on a short list, at most. MOO

Agree to disagree. I think they are as close to knowing as they can be, without actually saying they know. They've had two years to work through this. I think it's interesting to note that the only thing that's changed on the FBI poster from OBG to NBG is an age range was added and the hat wording was removed.

 

[Falling Down]

Indeed they are! Tucson investigators put a gps tracking device on firefighter David Watson's car, then put out a fake press release vaguely claiming there was new evidence in the cold case murder of his ex-wife. Concerned, Watson then drove to the spot where he left her body in the desert, which was recorded on the tracking device. Ironically, her body had been discovered and retrieved years earlier, but not processed for years due to the assumption she was an illegal border crosser. (Watson's new wife later confessed to providing him with a false alibi.)

Thanks for sharing, very interesting.

 

[ab01]

I'm not really knowledgeable about this stuff but is it possible that he did take her phone but that it was set to automatically store things to a cloud? I didn't realize her grandpa said that about her phone pinging all over town. Maybe he did take her phone and never brought it back but LE techs were able to retrieve data stored?

Libbys phone was recovered near the victims bodies....

 

[Stanly]

Holly Marie Wells and Jessica Aimee Chapman (10 years old) in 2002, England. Keith Pryer's first, and only murders.

This was Ian Huntly with the aid of Maxine Carr I'm just catching up, with 384 posts to read so may have been corrected!

 

[sunshineray]

The Libbys phone was recovered near the victims bodies....

Ok thanks ab, I didn't realize that was absolutely confirmed.

 

[Falling Down]

The second sketch being released is part of the change in direction announced at the last PC. Something has caused LE to discard the theory that BG was some sort of drifter and is instead someone local to the area. Without knowing what the witness said about the individual sketch #2 is based on there's no way to know why LE didn't initially suspect him.

It must be frustrating for that witness that LE sat on the sketch for over two years.

JMO