Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams & Liberty (Libby) German - The Delphi Murders - #151 *ARREST*

[Springrain]

I know it'll be hard for me to fall asleep tonight. I'm praying so hard that we'll have some more answers tomorrow and finally get justice for the girls and families. Let's get those wheels of justice turning and nail that sick piece of excrement who likes to kill little girls...allegedly...IMO.

 

[Springrain]

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Thanks SB,. I have been saying this, too. His wife is not the villain here and I hope she is supported.

 

[Turkeytrot]

Does anyone know how easy / difficult it is to walk on the bridge ? Especially for a 45 year old man ? Could someone else have been on the bridge, leading the girls ‘ down the hill’ to the killer ? Maybe the person on the bridge thought the other person just wanted to take photos of the girls, so the bridge guy took off before everything else happened. Just speculating. That bridge height seems scary, esp if you’re older.

The bridge looks scary to me, I can't do heights like that. However, to someone local who is familiar with the bridge and area.. I could see it being no big deal to them.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I assume he was there that second time, when that graduation photo was taken.

There were also videos of him atop a very scary cliff. So yeah, he could handle that bridge for sure.

What graduation photo?

 

[mmmBrownies!]

Does anyone know how easy / difficult it is to walk on the bridge ? Especially for a 45 year old man ? Could someone else have been on the bridge, leading the girls ‘ down the hill’ to the killer ? Maybe the person on the bridge thought the other person just wanted to take photos of the girls, so the bridge guy took off before everything else happened. Just speculating. That bridge height seems scary, esp if you’re older.

There's more to consider than age. At 45 I would have gone over it, at 51 I still would. I wouldn't call it scary unless that thing was visibly swaying in the breeze. Some guys might though. I'd think it would depend on your overall health (injuries, balance, leg, and especially ankle strength) and level of care. I probably wouldn't try to sprint over it, but then again, I'm not going to sprint over flat land, or even downhill for that matter.

 

[Marysmith]

There's more to consider than age. At 45 I would have gone over it, at 51 I still would. I wouldn't call it scary unless that thing was visibly swaying in the breeze. Some guys might though. I'd think it would depend on your overall health (injuries, balance, leg, and especially ankle strength) and level of care. I probably wouldn't try to sprint over it, but then again, I'm not going to sprint over flat land, or even downhill for that matter.

Welcome to Websleuths mmmBrownies!

 

[Springrain]

I'm half RA's age, and in good health, and like hell would I set foot onto that bridge...but that's just me. lol

 

[mmmBrownies!]

Welcome to Websleuths mmmBrownies!

Thanks!

 

[lgh0309]

There's more to consider than age. At 45 I would have gone over it, at 51 I still would. I wouldn't call it scary unless that thing was visibly swaying in the breeze. Some guys might though. I'd think it would depend on your overall health (injuries, balance, leg, and especially ankle strength) and level of care. I probably wouldn't try to sprint over it, but then again, I'm not going to sprint over flat land, or even downhill for that matter.

i am curious though - and it’s something i haven’t seen addressed - how does one get from the bridge down to the wooded area. obviously it is down a hill but it seems like it would be some precarious drop off so i find it confusing

 

[JudgeJudi]

Yeah. If I ever got pulled in like this and held on charges I’d be asking for a lawyer immediately.

As far as I'm aware he's being held in custody and hasn't been charged yet.

 

[Jessthinkin]

i am curious though - and it’s something i haven’t seen addressed - how does one get from the bridge down to the wooded area. obviously it is down a hill but it seems like it would be some precarious drop off so i find it confusing

Only a section of it is high. Then it connects to "higher ground"/the rest of the trail.

 

[margarita25]

I honestly can’t remember the last time I was so excited to wake up in the morning.

 

[RetiredEE]

i am curious though - and it’s something i haven’t seen addressed - how does one get from the bridge down to the wooded area. obviously it is down a hill but it seems like it would be some precarious drop off so i find it confusing

If you take a look at one of the topo maps, you can estimate how steep the hill is:

FREE Delphi (IN) 7.5x7.5 Topo Map - Pickatrail.com

Delphi, Indiana topographic map and nearby trails. Download the free, full-sheet USGS 7.5 Minute (1:24,000 scale) Delphi topo map as an Adobe PDF.

www.pickatrail.com

I used the 1962 map, because it was smaller, but they all show the same bridge and local features. The Monon Railroad was merged into the Louisville and Nashville Railroad, so that's what is shown on some maps.

https://prd-tnm.s3.amazonaws.com/St.../IN/24000/IN_Delphi_156392_1962_24000_geo.pdf right around the "D" in "Louisville anD Nashville" is where the gentler slope to the northern bank of Deer Creek is located. (Is that the correct location or was it the southern side?)



Monon RR background Monon Railroad - Wikipedia

 

[JudgeJudi]

The U.S. Marshal typically tracks fugitives or wanted suspects who flee across state lines to avoid apprehension, though neither criteria which would accurately describe events surrounding Allen’s arrest last week.

Marshals do, however, often provide electronic device tracking and analysis expertise to local investigations.

Investigators to announce charges versus Delphi murders suspect

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

i am curious though - and it’s something i haven’t seen addressed - how does one get from the bridge down to the wooded area. obviously it is down a hill but it seems like it would be some precarious drop off so i find it confusing

It has been addressed, by those of us who have never thought that the tall, overweight, and out-of-shape KAK and TK could be BG. The hike down to the river, across the river, and up the bank would need to be done by someone able to control the victims and exert himself at the same time. We have seen photos of the known suspect and he is shown in some photos to be physically active and seemingly in good condition.

 

[FruitTingles]

I honestly can’t remember the last time I was so excited to wake up in the morning.

Same here except I’m waking up at 1am to join in!

 

[Mellowmelly]

Same here except I’m waking up at 1am to join in!

It seems wrong to be happy about this as there's nothing happy about Abby and Libby's murders but after following this case for so long, it can't come quick enough.

 

[margarita25]

“The suspect in the 2017 murders of Abigail “Abby” Williams and Liberty “Libby” German is not cooperating with authorities, a source tells News 8.”

50-year-old man arrested in Delphi murders

UPDATE: Investigators have announced murder charges against 50-year-old Delphi resident Richard Allen. Read more here. DELPHI, Ind. (WISH) — The suspect in the 2017 murders of Abigail “Abby” Williams and Liberty “Libby” German is not cooperating with authorities, a source tells News 8. Richard...

www.wishtv.com

 

[MissUnderstood]

<modsnip> If this is a small town, and only one or two schools, would it be possible the girls recognised this guy? <modsnip> The guy from the shop?

 

[Elley Mae]

Allen was arrested on Oct. 26, a week after sources tell Fox 59 News that investigators converged on his house with a search warrant, seizing his car and digging through a firepit out back.

Investigators to announce charges versus Delphi murders suspect

DELPHI, Ind. — When Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter steps up before the microphones of reporters from across the country at the Delphi United Methodist Church Monday morning at 10 a…

fox59.com

Allen’s home was searched the same week that another man accused of a charge unrelated to the murders but discovered during the investigation, Kegan Kline, was facing a pre-trial hearing in Miami County.

Kline is charged with 30 counts of child *advertiser censored*, child solicitation and obstruction of justice as investigators allege he was communicating with Libby the night before her death via social media and was planning to meet her that day.

Investigators to announce charges versus Delphi murders suspect

DELPHI, Ind. — When Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter steps up before the microphones of reporters from across the country at the Delphi United Methodist Church Monday morning at 10 a…

fox59.com

This summer, Kline’s attorney successfully postponed his client’s hearing, with the prosecutor’s acquiescence, so that “negotiations” could take place.

Those “negotiations” or results from the searches were not referenced during Kline’s hearing as the judge moved forward with setting court dates in December and January, and, at this time, there is no known connection between Kline and the murders.