IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #20

[Steleheart]

Thanks for your response.

I posted a link some time back on an earlier thread of how long it takes to process forensic DNA. If all the steps are done back to back, the time is approximately 60 hours, start to finish. Even expedited DNA isn't handled that fast. I'm just saying that three weeks seems like they would have something back, but maybe not.

I do tend to believe the last news report on Feb 24th from LE that there was no DNA being processed but other forensic evidence was being expedited.

But it's good to know that if they do have DNA that doesn't match, it remains in the system. Crazy that it wouldn't get a hit, this crime seems to be something that was done by someone who has killed before.

Actually Leazenby didn't say there was no DNA, he said he never confirmed that there was.
http://wlfi.com/2017/02/24/carroll-co-sheriff-clears-up-misconceptions-on-delphi-double-homicide/

 

[myfewsense]

I don't think they ever said who dropped them off...Liberty was raised by grandparents I think sisters and brothers lived elsewhere and were younger. I don't know about Abby.


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It was initially reported an older sister. I've been following this case closely. It was later changed to family member.
I know Liberty was raised by her grandparents but we cannot get too specific about family members on this site, so I referenced parents (in general).

 

[BrownRice]

I don't think they ever said who dropped them off...Liberty was raised by grandparents I think sisters and brothers lived elsewhere and were younger. I don't know about Abby. I never read her obituary... Did anyone else????


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I have read in multiple places that Libby's sister dropped them off that day at the bridge trail.

Abby's obituary showed she was an only child with no siblings.

 

[Etilema]

I want to put this to rest Abby was an only child. Liberty was raised by grandparents siblings were younger....

No children need to feel bad about ANYTHING


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Oh, that's reassuring. I don't know where the initial idea came that they were dropped off by a sister. I know that LE's use of "family member" has fueled speculation. If it wasn't a primary caregiver, the scenario could be similar (parents/grandparents didn't know they were going there). But that may be completely off base as well. Just speculation on my part.


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[LadyL]

yes if you look at the youtube video, Gray Hughes' name is there underneath it

LadyL,
Just wanted to confirm here that we are talking about the same video. The one I referenced is on Post 712. That was done by a member? I have seen Grey Hughes' videos before, but I have not seen this particular video before. It is awesome and sad.
Thanks.

 

[michiganmod]

Not sure if this was posted yet as a possible connection. Is this the next one?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4281496/Missing-Indianapolis-woman-dead-sandbar.html

 

[ts51]

I read the post with the abbreviations used here, but I don't remember "gif" and now I can't find that post to look it up myself and not bother everyone else. What does "gif" stand for? TIA (remembered that one!)

 

[mpnola]

It was initially reported an older sister. I've been following this case closely. It was later changed to family member.
I know Liberty was raised by her grandparents but we cannot get too specific about family members on this site, so I referenced parents (in general).

Here is my post in the media thread about the day at the bridge:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ia-maps-amp-timelines&p=13175131#post13175131

On Monday, February 13, 2017 around 1:00- 1:30pm, Liberty German and Abigail Williams were dropped off near an abandoned railroad bridge known as "Monon High Bridge," east of Delphi to hike in the area. The girls were dropped off by Liberty's sister. The girls were not in school due to a scheduled day off (snow day not used), per the school calendar.

Sources are linked in the thread (but that part was from the Heavy article)

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Did they ever say who was to pick the girls up?

 

[NancyDrew007]

Oh, that's reassuring. I don't know where the initial idea came that they were dropped off by a sister. I know that LE's use of "family member" has fueled speculation. If it wasn't a primary caregiver, the scenario could be similar (parents/grandparents didn't know they were going there). But that may be completely off base as well. Just speculation on my part.


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Libby has an older sister. She is on SM as well including the adventure seeking gps activity. They all went hunting together in the area two days prior to the incident. I'm so sorry I don't have the link, it was posted today describing that Libby's sister dropped them off at the bridge that day. I can't imagine what she is going through. Y'all can also look at Libby's Instagram photo comments and learn about a third friend invited to the bridge that day.


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[mpnola]

Actually Leazenby didn't say there was no DNA, he said he never confirmed that there was.
http://wlfi.com/2017/02/24/carroll-co-sheriff-clears-up-misconceptions-on-delphi-double-homicide/

Just to jump off your post, the current DNA information post can be found in the media thread, post #49
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ia-maps-amp-timelines&p=13192048#post13192048

CURRENT DNA INFORMATION

On February 23, 2017, it was reported that investigators say they had recovered DNA evidence from the Delphi crime scene where two girls, 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German, were found murdered.

That evidence now has top priority for processing by investigators. It’s a strong lead, in a case where authorities have been clamoring for any clue about the murderer.

http://fox59.com/2017/02/23/dna-evid...investigation/


After that report, Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby is clearing up some misconceptions about the Delphi double homicide case released by other media outlets on Friday.

Leazenby said he has never confirmed DNA evidence was recovered in this case and said the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office is still taking the lead in this investigation.


http://wishtv.com/2017/02/24/carroll...uble-homicide/

 

[AFTM]

Exactly. I think the bigger question would be what serial killers or random abduction murderers commit suicide before their number is up? I am betting that is next to none. It's not that they won't commit suicide, but they like the power and control. It is only when they think that power and control can be taken away (by jail, etc) that they might exert control over their own life, as well. Ariel Castro. Same. He had control of those girls and kept them imprisoned for so long. But a much kinder prison was too much for him. So, he killed himself.

I say good riddance. But this dude isn't going anywhere until they know who is and are closing in on him. He will continue to be proud of his work and enjoy the chaos and terror he is creating, in the meantime.

Like I said they are cowards I told my sisters murderer he was one....They murder someone weaker than them but are afraid to face prison time with hardened criminals...God forbid harm be done to them...

COWARDS


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[GGE]

BBM:

German and Williams were dropped off on Monday near Monon High Bridge by German's sister to go for a hike on what was a winter holiday from school. The girls were reported missing by their families several hours later when they did not return.

source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Indiana-home-teens-murders.html#ixzz4aPQVWzb5


According to her grandmother, Libby would often visit the trail with her older sister to take pictures of the scenic area. Her family always stressed the importance of safety, her grandfather previously told PEOPLE.

source:
https://thehillnews.net/news/2-Week...rches-for-Answers:-‘Shock,-Fear-and-Numbness’

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ETA:

This article explains in more detail how Libby's family is related to one another and how it branches out a bit in that regard. (Since there are questions about the existence of an older sister, for example). I won't paste any of those portions since I Would have to edit the family names into initials anyway. But for those who are confused:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-one-murdered-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html

A nice snip from that article - a quote from DB, a grandfather of Liberty:

'She was really into sports so that's where we usually saw her. She was in the summer soccer league and softball. She swam at school in junior high.

'She would call us up and say, 'I'm going to be out here at the park playing soccer at 8.30am on Saturday' and we'd be out there to support her.

'She was very outgoing and smart as a whip. She was going to be our scientist, she loved biology and she was a math genius, fantastic in math.

'Straight-a student. Her sister just got on the National Honor Roll Society this year and Libby was right behind her.'

 

[Gloriosa]

Hi there!

I'm trying to follow this case but there is so much and on the same time so little to read. I do have one question, why don't they show the whole photo? I mean, some say that it was a person walking next to him. I honestly don't think its a person but maybe a part of the bridge/trail/wood. Doesn't look like an arm with curves to me.

My understanding is these pictures are stills from her video on her phone. When you take a video and hold your phone vertically the video is not very wide. This may be as wide as they have.


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[AFTM]

also, as a youth was hurting animals and starting fires

This is usually how a killer starts out they told me...hurting and killing animals as a child. Then they go on to bigger things.


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[crhedBngr]

I read the post with the abbreviations used here, but I don't remember "gif" and now I can't find that post to look it up myself and not bother everyone else. What does "gif" stand for? TIA (remembered that one!)

From Wikipedia:

Graphics Interchange Format (better known by its acronym GIF /ˈdʒɪf/ jif or /ˈɡɪf/ ghif) is a bitmap image format that was developed by US-based software writer Steve Wilhite while working at the internet service provider CompuServe in 1987[SUP][1][/SUP] and has since come into widespread usage on the World Wide Web due to its wide support and portability.

Here is the Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF

 

[Etilema]

BBM:

German and Williams were dropped off on Monday near Monon High Bridge by German's sister to go for a hike on what was a winter holiday from school. The girls were reported missing by their families several hours later when they did not return.

source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Indiana-home-teens-murders.html#ixzz4aPQVWzb5


According to her grandmother, Libby would often visit the trail with her older sister to take pictures of the scenic area. Her family always stressed the importance of safety, her grandfather previously told PEOPLE.

source:
https://thehillnews.net/news/2-Week...rches-for-Answers:-‘Shock,-Fear-and-Numbness’

Oh! Guess that explains where THAT idea came from! Very helpful! Thanks!


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[GGE]

From Wikipedia:

Here is the Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF

Jumping off this informative post:

To simplify, if someone refers to a "gif" instead of a "pic" or "picture" or "photo" or whatever, it implies that the image will be animated/have motion, like a very short little video clip. Generally a "gif" will loop/keep replaying itself.

 

[Steleheart]

I read the post with the abbreviations used here, but I don't remember "gif" and now I can't find that post to look it up myself and not bother everyone else. What does "gif" stand for? TIA (remembered that one!)

From Wikipedia:


Here is the Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF

so essentially a GIF is a moving image. There is a GIF overlay in the media thread of BG's 2 images and several members have done them.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ia-maps-amp-timelines&p=13174082#post13174082

FWIW ( For What It's Worth) it's what first made me convert to Team Fanny Pack.

Also see my sig for a link to Lingo used here

 

[AFTM]

Oh! Guess that explains where THAT idea came from! Very helpful! Thanks!


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I am sorry I had the indication that her sisters were younger... I just looked at her obituary and see a sister with a different name. That must be what confused me.

But still do not blame her sister for dropping them off and say she should feel bad. I was supposed to go out to where my sister worked and didn't go that night. She was taken from there and murdered. I went there the next day when she did not come home and found her car and blood everywhere... She was missing...

I have always thought that if I was there he could not of got us both...but they say he would of killed us both.

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