IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #21

[Spellbound]

Based on this video and where they show the L pic to have been taken on the bridge, roughly :48, I do not see any sort of road below as suggested previously where a car could drive down.

[video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68[/video]

Also, in this photo (in link below), you can see clearly the parts that were blown up on previous pages where someone made car outlines. IMO it is very clear that they are just shadows. From the trees. HOWEVER, there does seem to be some blurring (closer to the water) in that general location on the photos, but who knows what that means. Could be nothing.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpr...s-snapchat.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

Someone walked across the bridge and took pictures along the way. The road shows as they reach the opposite side (pleade don't ask me which direction :dunno: ) You can also see where crime tape has been. Linked here for their four videos:
https://youtu.be/NJopmUgnMAc (part 1)
https://youtu.be/N6qXGsksj-o (part 1.5)
https://youtu.be/XzMvbfkhVlw (part 2)
https://youtu.be/yQCv3TeNayk (part 3)


Near end of Part 1 and in Part 2 you can see the roadway being discussed now
At beginning of Part 3 is the crime tape

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I've been thinking a lot and it bothers me Abby and Libby's murders were so close to Valentine's Day.Did any of the girls break up with someone or turn someone down. Just a thought I had.

 

[matou]

ignore if already posted:

Sgt. John Perrine‏Verified account @ISPIndianapolis 1h1 hour ago

A story circulating social media connects the #Delphi murders to a possible serial killer in the Midwest.

There is NOT a known connection

 

[CementPond]

Yeah, I explain myself better about what I was talking about in one of my previous posts.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-21&p=13206731#post13206731

Someone walked across the bridge and took pictures along the way. The road shows as they reach the opposite side (pleade don't ask me which direction :dunno: ) You can also see where crime tape has been. Linked here for their four videos:
https://youtu.be/NJopmUgnMAc (part 1)
https://youtu.be/N6qXGsksj-o (part 1.5)
https://youtu.be/XzMvbfkhVlw (part 2)
https://youtu.be/yQCv3TeNayk (part 3)


Near end of Part 1 and in Part 2 you can see the roadway being discussed now
At beginning of Part 3 is the crime tape

 

[Elley Mae]

agreed! These are several inches thick and you are seeing the railroad tie... not the ground... IMO

True, the average RR tie is 7" Tall, 9" Wide & 8 1/2 to 9 ft long.

 

[kittymittons]

Here's the tweet formatted if thats helpful

[video=twitter;838761223671988225]https://twitter.com/ISPIndianapolis/status/838761223671988225[/video]

IMO, that doesn't rule out the possibility of an SK, they just don't have anything right now that would say the perp is.

 

[Esse]

Sorry, but do we know the difference in time between when the first snapshot of Abby was taken as compared to the still frame pulled from the video showing the perp?

Snapshot was at 2:07 and I'm going to take a guess that BG was last seen at 2:30 because of the billboards. There are 2 different billboards.

 

[deugirtni]

I found the recording on the FBI page to be the clearest.

I noticed when I first listened to the FBI page recording, that they seemed to have taken out the 'g' sound at the front of the words 'down the hill', and they had also removed that background noise (which I assume was just noise from being in a pocket while walking). In other recordings, the initial 'g' sound can be heard, but police have said that the audio says, 'down the hill', so... they could possibly know more than we do, and there may be a reason why they are only giving us 'down the hill', the 'g' sound could be anything, could be an ending of another word, could be nothing... so why not focus on what they have asked, and just focus on the 'down the hill' part? jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

This leads me to think they don't have viable dna if they have dna. Jmo or it's his first kill and he's not on file. Jmo

 

[WVWoman]

Actually the drawings aren't too shabby!


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Maybe watch the videos from the bridge ...or the drones videos that have been posted ( im sure they are in the media thread).....IMO no way are there cars down under that bridge ...j/s

 

[Yellow Rose]

I hope I am understanding this exchange regarding the possibility of a serial killer...

During the big press conference, FBI assistant special agent Masser said working with the FBI's behavioral analysis division the crimes do not appear to the work of a serial killer.

��Yet there will be 100 new posts with a serial killer angle.

....������ but Ma! I don't wanna go to the time out corner, just statin' facts.





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Yes but at the presser he said, "Who's next?"

 

[Justice101]

#1 - doesn't matter to me because knowing this information will not help find the killer.

#2 - I believe there is more, but unless more is released, at this point it also doesn't matter to me because it will not help find her killer.

Then you don't care about this forum?? Because there is a 0.00001% chance anything discussed here will lead to her killer.

 

[yessirnosir]

This makes me wonder if he didn't park on this road on the SE side and try to get them in his car? Down the hill? Then they made a run for the creek, and he captured them on the other side? Was furious at this point and gave up on getting them to the car? I don't know, JMO

Sounds plausible. I buy that scenario. Down the hill - to my car. They make a run for it, he kills them. Or he has them in the car and dumps them.

 

[ninij9]

I googled "plastic sack handles" - and I didn't find a single one with this shape.

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[Steleheart]

Based on the videos I've seen it looks like the road goes under the South East side of the bridge closer to where Libby and Abby met up with BG.

[video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68[/video]

I've always struggled with how BG managed to lay in wait for the girls (whether he knew of them, knew them or didn't know them at all) and then managed to get control of Abby and Libby and get them down a hill, across a creek, and up the other side ( approx 200-300 yards in total) without anyone seeing them. Not impossible but certainly a lot of risk of losing control of the girls or being seen. If however, he had parked on the private road below the SE end of the bridge he could see the girls crossing the bridge and have time to get on the bridge and intercept. He may have walked by them and the turned around and came back towards the girl (this is when Libby takes the picture because she is concerned when he turns back around toward them) and takes control, walks off the SE end of the bridge to the closed trail and "...down the hill". Getting the girls to a waiting car and off the property is a much easier and less risky scenario than the creek scenario and explains the cell pings across town (not sure if this is verified). He then brings the girls back to the back of the cemetary after the fact. Obviously, JMO!

OOOPPPS! Once again! I changed it to SOUTHEAST, Thanks!

 

[IllinoisMissing]

I did not go to the south side of the bridge when I was in Delphi but #1Nana did and posted pics.

With those pics, I think there's as good a chance as any that he did lead them down that hill to the private road and into a vehicle.

The woman who said she was at the bridge shortly after the snapchat photo didn't see the girls at all.

The grandfather says Libby's phone was pinging, so perhaps from a vehicle?

If he got them restrained in a vehicle, he could have taken them down from the cemetery area one at a time.

It would be interesting but not helpful in identifying him to know if the family and friends that did search all night stayed in the bridge area or would he have an opportunity to take them down after the official search ended.

All of this is speculation. My opinion is that this guy is a thrill killer, much more interested in the hunt, capture, kill, and escape rather than completely sexually motivated.

I still believe he is hiding in plain sight. He just isn't someone that anyone would suspect. I think he is local enough to have made many visits here and he planned and fantasized about this for a very long time.

I think he is in his 30s and his clothing in the photos is not how he normally dresses.

I don't know where I am going with this. I guess I'm just frustrated.

Maybe we can try to find unsuccessful abduction attempts and see if any description matches this guy, just in case he practiced.

JMO

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[verbonica]

I googled "plastic sack handles" - and I didn't find a single one with this shape.

Try googling images for "plastic grocery bags". (I'm not saying that's what he has stuffed in his jacket, but the handles do bear a resemblance)

 

[Mercedes]

ignore if already posted:

Sgt. John Perrine‏Verified account @ISPIndianapolis 1h1 hour ago

A story circulating social media connects the #Delphi murders to a possible serial killer in the Midwest.

There is NOT a known connection

This, in my opinion, is awesome that the police come out and say this. :clap:

 

[Rust Cohle]

Sounds plausible. I buy that scenario. Down the hill - to my car. They make a run for it, he kills them. Or he has them in the car and dumps them.

It's unlikely he would bring a vehicle down a private drive near homes. It is even more unlikely he would abduct someone and bring them back to the same spot later.

 

[CementPond]

Does anyone know what areas are the "normal"/"typical" spots people park their cars if they wanted to walk the trails or this area? Also, I guess I'd be asking a lot to think that any of the homes, businesses or whatever along this location would have any cams set up in hopes of maybe capturing cars and/or the BG exiting a car? My guess is that is REALLY wishful thinking, huh?