IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #34

[Cryptic]

I am not sure why it matters so much that he was driving on a suspended license. A probation officer doesn't even technically need a search warrant. It would be very easy for the police to search this man top, bottom, and back again.

I think the police would have needed a warrant. Though some, or perhaps many people on parole from prision are required to sign "Fourth Amendment Waivers" allowing the police to search their homes with out warrants and to stop and search their cars and persons "just because", RL is on probation, not parole.

My impression is that the types of parolees with signed waivers are usually known drug sellers with multiple arrests and convictions or perhaps true public safety hazards ( multiple arrests for assault, theft, drug use etc). Even with his two DWIs and restraining order, I don't think the police would have considered RL to be a true public safety hazard. .

 

[Ashley95]

SBM - they've said since about February 16th if not sooner that the person pictured on the bridge in the photos (who we call "BG") is a suspect and participated in the killings of the girls.

Just a day or two ago ABC news put out an article where for the first time we saw the assertion by LE that the person on the bridge (BG) is the same person who's voice they have on audio.

There was a lot of debate about whether this was just the journalist taking liberties with facts, or whether LE specifically stated that. That debate was in the previous thread that closed a handful of hours ago.

Those are the facts that we know right now thanks to LE. HTH.

Yes thats my confusion. I was hauled over the coals on here for saying the phone was found on her body as two sites reported that but was told was just journalist saying that.

I don't know if i am convinced 100% they know BG is the killer. I wonder if she whispered in the phone saying the guy was shouting at them or was creepy and following. Made it very clear to anyone watching the video there was a problem.

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[GGE]

I think the police would have needed a warrant. Though some, or perhaps many people on parole from prision are required to sign "Fourth Amendment Waivers" allowing the police to search their homes with out warrants and to stop and search their cars and persons "just because", RL is on probation, not parole.

My impression is that the types of parolees with signed waivers are usually known drug sellers with multiple arrests and convictions or perhaps true public safety hazards ( multiple arrests for assault, theft, drug use etc). Even with his two DWIs and restraining order, I don't think the police would have considered RL to be a true public safety hazard. .

Nonetheless he is on probation, not parole as you quite correctly pointed out, yet a condition of his probation was a waiver of his fourth ammendment rights re: search and seizure, as stated many times here and detailed in his court records, one of which is located here and does show that waiving of his rights -

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...6QTFORFF4TnpFd01qTXdPakUxTWprd05EVXhZelk9In19

" The terms of probation are set forth in the Order on Probation and include the following: waiver of 4th amendment rights against search and seizure; participation in a drug and alcohol program at mental health and substance abuse evaluation; initial probation users fee in the sum of $100 and monthly probation users fee in the sum of $30; $100.00 probation administrative fee; no criminal violations; and no alcohol consumption."

And, it also states in his court records that the court finds him to be a habitual offender. It's all been documented thoroughly IMO, and HTH.

ETA - why do you think there are only two "DWI's" (they were actually DUIs)? Maybe your court records search isn't being done quite right because all of them come up for everyone else... unless you're basing your post on hearsay that people are posting here instead of on the primary sources, which I can understand doing and getting thrown off by. I'm a sucker for primary sources.

 

[TTF14]

To prepare for the hearing. It's an important one. His probation officer is recommending he be sent to jail to do his original sentence. This is a one shot deal. Better to sit in jail another week or two and do it right than lament the outcome. This is my opinion but I am a paralegal and know how attorney's reset hearings to better prepare for them.

Thank you. I was under the inaccurate impression that this hearing would just be a formality and that RL would pay a fine, or get time added on to probation or something, not that facing jail time was a serious threat for this particular offense.

 

[Deleted member 278]

When they said they had more, I always thought he definitely meant AUDIO only. That's how most everyone thought Libby may have put her phone in her pocket or elsewhere. Then he talked about not wanting to release more of it unless they absolutely had to. It was the stuff of nightmares.

LE did not say it was the stuff of nightmares. That quote came from Inside Edition, I think.

 

[Etilema]

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I agree with what you are saying about RL (applies even more to what some people are posting on SM, directly declaring he is obviously the murderer).

But I disagree that "most people on here have him convicted already." I see a lot of people either saying they don't think it was him or withholding judgment and just considering the evidence.

JMO


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[BunnyHop]

To prepare for the hearing. It's an important one. His probation officer is recommending he be sent to jail to do his original sentence. This is a one shot deal. Better to sit in jail another week or two and do it right than lament the outcome. This is my opinion but I am a paralegal and know how attorney's reset hearings to better prepare for them.

BBM Is there a link for that?

 

[BunnyHop]

The photos and audio we have are stills and a clip taken from a video, so they would have at least more info about what he looks like and sounds like. How much more, we have no idea. It depends on the length of the recording they have. Also, whether they have a closer or better view of him, we don't know.


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And they released that particular audio clip which is telling, "down the hill" gives a specific direction/clue.

 

[Oregonmama]

LE did not say it was the stuff of nightmares. That quote came from Inside Edition, I think.

LE did state that. A source close to the investigation was quoted on that. This was discussed in the beginning threads

 

[Burnt Toast]

Posted by Beth11311 -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-33&p=13242471#post13242471


At this point I'm seriously questioning if he's actually an alcoholic in the sense we keep hearing about, well here at least. I'm not on social media. The reason I question, I have always read and heard how chronic alcoholism over a long period of time is so bad for the skin, as in causing premature wrinkling and aging, etc. But then here is this 77-78 y/o man with amazingly smooth, what appears to be almost flawless, wrinkle free skin, and with barely noticeable sagging. Seriously, his facial complexion and skin tone would make most women that age, and many even younger, green with envy that they had to spend so much just to look half as good. You know what I mean?

My point being, IMO, he doesn't appear to be this chronic alcoholic he's been characterized as here and who knows where else. Unless, the doctors are full of BS and don't know what they're talking about, LOL. Maybe that's it? If so though, how is he such a bad alcoholic? Perhaps he just once in a while goes out and drinks with the boys, or even at home, and then has a moment of bad judgement choosing to drive. Maybe because he's an old timer with the old independent, self-reliant mindset who believes he should do for himself, and will do for himself, he wants no help. And no one's going to change his mind. As in stubborn as a mule, set in his ways, bull headed, etc... you get my drift. Idk, just something I've noticed, and as always I'm questioning things. Thanks for listening, and / or for chiming in.

I agree. RL does not look like a chronic drinker to me.

 

[deepeaches]

I am new here and this is my first post. Webslueths is very well organized and has so many caring people for the victims and their family's. I do have a question in regards to RL truck as it was being towed. Why was the strip of red tape on the passenger door?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I've written him off, because LE did publicly. I still cannot understand why some people can be publicly cleared, and we cannot discuss them (Davey Blackburn), and others (RL) can be accused on here to the high heavens. It gets old. And don't even get me started on the driver in the D.C. Family murders a few years back.
I hope the murderer is caught soon, but it isn't the 77 year old.

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I Agree with your statement it isn't the 77 year old....

To add to that, go with what you know. We know Libby's grandfather said she would have put up a struggle. Do we see any scratches, bruises, cuts on the 77 year old~~I don't and I don't think it is the 77 year old either. I do think he might have a drinking buddy that has yet to be identified that might have some answers. I believe RL has some answers on that drinking buddy.

All JMHO, of course.

 

[Deleted member 278]

LE did state that. A source close to the investigation was quoted on that. This was discussed in the beginning threads

Yes, "a source familiar with the investigation." That does not mean LE said it unless I see a direct quote from LE.

 

[alexwood]

Will somebody please ask what BG stands for....I need a drink.

Brothers Gibb

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f4/86/b8/f486b8cc96f583e6ead6efcdc09b9e67.jpg

Inthedetails, maybe you're getting a subliminal message from the 'BG' acronym. . . But, it's not a "Big Gulp", if that's what you're thinking!

Here you go! Drink up!
:coffeecup::toastred::toast:

P.S. Try as I might, could never get my hair to look that good in the 70's!!!

 

[Mcumings]

My hope has been all along that either LE is doing this right now because they have reason to think that RL is BG,

or

that LE is trying to use this focus on RL to make BG slip up due to letting his guard down (and if that's the case then IMO they wouldn't create this intentional diversionary tactic unless they thought they knew who BG was and was just trying to get togetehr enough evidence to charge him, whoever he is).

Just IMO based on the current situation, and where my thoughts are at so far. But they change a couple of times a day lately, so.. who knows!

Great point. Or another tactic is to give "credit" for the killings to someone else so the true killer might feel the need to drop hints that he did it or maybe even outright tell someone he did it so to keep his credit.

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[Oregonmama]

I am new here and this is my first post. Webslueths is very well organized and has so many caring people for the victims and their family's. I do have a question in regards to RL truck as it was being towed. Why was the strip of red tape on the passenger door?

The tape was used to seal the truck so no one will tamper with it until it got to the location to be tested

 

[GGE]

BBM Is there a link for that?

https://public.courts.in.gov/mycase...qWTFOVFl4TnpFd01qTXdPakUxTWprd05EVXhZVFk9In19

just expand it and read it.

it says that his probation officer is recommending revokation of probation.

which means that he will have to serve the 2 years suspended jail sentence instead.

that's what happens when probation is revoked. you get sentenced to do all the jail time you would've originally gotten had your lawyer not managed to get the judge to go easy on you and give you the privilege and opportunity at "just" probation.

his probation officer is recommending he no longer be afforded that privilege.

it's ALL in that one link I keep posting, people just have to read it and then consult a legal dictionary to understand it. I'm also happy to continue repeating myself. HTH

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I am new here and this is my first post. Webslueths is very well organized and has so many caring people for the victims and their family's. I do have a question in regards to RL truck as it was being towed. Why was the strip of red tape on the passenger door?

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Welcome to Websleuths!! :welcome:

The red tape is common when evidence is taken into custody. There has to be a chain of command of who had access to the evidence. The red tape seals off entry and LE has to sign-off on a chain of custody form for who has had access to the vehicle. It is so a defense attorney cannot claim evidence was altered or planted.

 

[Oregonmama]

Yes, "a source familiar with the investigation." That does not mean LE said it unless I see a direct quote from LE.

It's all in the beginning threads. Many news outlets reported it

 

[GGE]

LE did state that. A source close to the investigation was quoted on that. This was discussed in the beginning threads

"a source close to the investigation" does not necessarily mean a law enforcement officer IMO. There are probably people like the DA or maybe FBI profilers who are also close to the investigation right about now IMO.