IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #41

[Tssiemer]

We do not know COD, it would definitely tell us a lot about the guy.

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It would tell us if he was prepared with a weapon like he was out hunting or premeditated it or had to improvise making it a crime of opportunity.


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[Cryptonite]

I just finished watching Gray Hughes latest video, the first part when walking to the bridge shows no benches along the trail which are there,I am local.some were wondering time frame of A&L,maybe they sat down for a bit ,maybe they did encounter bg as he was sitting along the trail moo

 

[Eileen730]

It's not a people bridge. It's a train trestle. The rails are removed. I think officially people are not supposed to walk on it but do. I believe they've tried to raise funds to make it safer with handrails, etc. Or should imo. All MOO

Exactly they are not supposed to be on there.

 

[ninij9]

I just finished watching Gray Hughes latest video, the first part when walking to the bridge shows no benches along the trail which are there,I am local.some were wondering time frame of A&L,maybe they sat down for a bit ,maybe they did encounter bg as he was sitting along the trail moo

Hi Cryptonite,

Are the benches on the south side or north side? Please and thank you. Maybe the BG was sitting on the bench when they passed????

There was crime scene tape in the south side of bridge.

I sure hope this suspect was sitting on bench and left cigarette butts behind, or an empty container (hope, hope, hope)

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[gregjrichards]

Also why not release more of the video or audio of BG? It's not easy to try to identify him saying 3 words.


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I am sure law enforcement would do so if they could they were really shaken by the recording at the press conference. It has been reported in the media "as the stuff of nightmares." The girl's tragic situation got very bad very quickly in my opinion. They can't release video or audio of the girls under duress.

I don't think Liberty had the chance to phone 911 without this monster knowing.

 

[Eclipse]

It would tell us if he was prepared with a weapon like he was out hunting or premeditated it or had to improvise making it a crime of opportunity.


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I so agree about releasing the cause of death. It seems that it could definitely be a catalyst for the "light bulb" moment regarding someone who knows the murderer. I've said this from the beginning, but it seems with so much time since the murders- it's definitely time to go to a next level with info for the public. It seems there would be many small details to keep "under wraps" in order to keep integrity in the case and separate out crackpots with false confessions.

 

[margarita25]

Your story made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.[emoji15] . How utterly frightening. So lucky for your friend to have gotten in her car so fast. I probably would have froze and peed myself, then fumble my keys. She was super fortunate.

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(O/T, it's interesting how that works. One time I totally froze during a convenience store robbery. Another time recently I was almost attacked I had the presence of mind to call 911 in time. I was in a shady dark parking lot waiting on my ride and had one finger on the mace, and the other on the phone ready and prepared in advance just in case someone approached, which they did. 2 disgusting males in a vehicle, looked like they were living out of their car drove past me slowly and the danger alert kicked in. They then came back around, pulled riiiiight up onto me in their car head on, and turned their brights on blinding me, leering, etc. (B÷$#/rds, trying to intimidate and visually incapacitate me in essence). On the fly I chose the right hand, my phone, because I didn't think I could successfully mace both of them/take on both attackers, so I took my chances trying to get a call out to 911. Thank goodness I was prepared and fast enough and had my phone handy, etc...I automatically gave my location to the 911 operator and started reading off their plate and vehicle description/physical descriptions. They heard me and peeled out/sped off. The cops arrived within seconds and chased them down the highway. I don't know if they ever found them.

I hate it when adrenaline overwhelms me to the point where I freeze and feel like I'm going to faint. It's impossible to predict how one will act in the moment, imo, and for me I've learned it can vary. And for 2 little girls.......how smart and brave to hit record/snap.)

 

[Deleted member 196796]

Agree. IMO this is the most puzzling piece. If "Down the hill" was at the south end of the bridge the only thing I can think of is that the girls made a break for it and crossed the river trying to escape. I also initially thought that maybe this is where Libby may have deep 6 her cell phone but then if submerged in water how did it continue to ping the towers throughout the night? LE has a good idea of where the hill is located he was directing them to go down based simply of the time marks during the 6 minute audio that was obtained. If the actual murder site was not near where the bodies were found I can't help but wonder did the killer go through the trouble of putting the bodies on RL property for a reason. The murder site could not possibly be where the bodies were found due to someone describing the area as in pristine condition.

The bridge being so sketchy might have been why she filmed BG, wondering why he would choose to cross it when most people dont, let alone an older guy. I also think they may have seen him earlier on their hike and became alarmed when they daw him crossing the bridge.

I still cant shake the thought that they may have known him. Being out there all alone I cant imagine why they would have let him catch up to them unless they were thinking "thats that creepy guy who lives over there" or " thats tge guy so and so saw out here" something along those lines that made them think he wasnt so out of place. Otherwise, I would think they would have kept going or called someone and never let him get near them.

I am also wondering why he made them cross the water, whether he had them do it or he killed them and then brought them across (which I doubt). Why did he feel the need to go across? I think this tells us something about him Im just not sure what.

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[Elley Mae]

Idk why but makes me think he knew what happened was recorded or he recorded. Jmo

From the timeline posted on page one...BBM

http://wlfi.com/2017/02/22/delphi-te...ads-to-arrest/

The recording was longer than what has been released. Police won’t release anymore to protect the integrity of the investigation, but they’ve seen the video and likely won’t be able to stop thinking about it.

“Imagine what that must be like, it’s generally and very likely will be one of the last things these ladies and gentleman see for the rest of their lives before they go to sleep,” said Carter.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

Idk why but makes me think he knew what happened was recorded or he recorded. Jmo

That has been my thought as well. I wouldn't put anything past a killer's mindset.

 

[forthefreefood]

Also why not release more of the video or audio of BG? It's not easy to try to identify him saying 3 words.


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A lot of what you are asking has been discussed in depth already. A kind suggestions to go back and read through old threads to catch up.

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[xmsmadex]

There's been some discussion on BG's fanny pack and also the outline of a handgun under his jacket. The handgun is on BG's right side, but with the butt forward, muzzle to the rear, suggesting the gun was carried in a jacket pocket or (my thought) a shoulder holster and that BG is left-handed.

In several still and video images of RL, I've noticed a khaki-colored strap under his jacket that might suggest a shoulder holster or a shoulder strap for a fanny pack:

I'm sure LE is aware of this, and it probably means nothing, but it is an additional similarity between the dress of BG and RL. There is also a distinct outward turn to at least one of RL's feet when he's shown walking in an early video.

Great observations. I, obviously, don't know who did it but alot of people are hung up on BG not looking like RL when the similarities are in the details. If RL did not do this than I truly feel sorry for this man, his life has been uprooted.

edit: I did just notice that tge strap runs left to right though, woukdnt that be for a righty?
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[Cryptonite]

Hi Cryptonite,

Are the benches on the south side or north side? Please and thank you. Maybe the BG was sitting on the bench when they passed????

There was crime scene tape in the south side of bridge.

I sure hope this suspect was sitting on bench and left cigarette butts behind, or an empty container (hope, hope, hope)

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Benches are on both sides of path leading up to bridge,I saw some blue flags in his video that might be the placement in process of said benches

 

[Bird of Paradise]

Benches are on both sides of path leading up to bridge,I saw some blue flags in his video that might be the placement in process of said benches

Cryptonite, are you local or a local? If the latter, is there any insight or observations (thanks for the bench mention) you can add?

 

[ninij9]

(O/T, it's interesting how that works. One time I totally froze during a convenience store robbery. Another time recently I was almost attacked I had the presence of mind to call 911 in time. I was in a shady dark parking lot waiting on my ride and had one finger on the mace, and the other on the phone ready prepared in advance just in case someone approached, which they did. 2 disgusting males in a vehicle, looked like they were living out of their car drove past me slowly and the danger alert kicked in. They then came back around, pulled right up onto me in their car head on, and turned their brights on blinding me, leering, etc. On the fly I chose the right hand, my phone, because I didn't think I could successfully mace both of them/take on both attackers, so I took my chances trying to get a call out to 911. Thank goodness I was prepared and fast enough and had my phone handy, etc...I automatically gave my location to the 911 operator and started reading off their plate and vehicle description/physical descriptions. They heard me and peeled out/sped off. The cops arrived within seconds and chased them down the highway. I don't know if they ever found them.

I hate it when adrenaline overwhelms me to the point where I freeze and feel like I'm going to faint. It's impossible to predict how one will act in the moment, imo, and for me I've learned it can vary. And for 2 little girls.......how smart and brave to hit record/snap.)

Wow. You rock, good for you!
I had a situation with an unstable employee. I was in an office with just another woman when this man came unhinged. I was by the door, she was by the man. I froze because I stopped to worry for her, AND because I couldn't actually make myself believe what was happening. The situation de-escalated thankfully, but it gives me some insight to how one of the girls may have felt in regards to being able to flee.

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[WebSight]

Benches are on both sides of path leading up to bridge,I saw some blue flags in his video that might be the placement in process of said benches

Just to clarify: are the benches on both sides of the bridge, meaning once you cross over the bridge (heading southeast) are there benches on the south side too?

I guess I thought that the land on the other side of the bridge was not part of the trail system so there would not be benches there?

 

[ninij9]

A lot of what you are asking has been discussed in depth already. A kind suggestions to go back and read through old threads to catch up.

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Lol 40 threads!!!!

Summary:

No COD has been released.
Nothing has been released besides the picture stills and video recording. Everything you need to know can be found in the media thread. As usual we have filled mostly 40 threads with fluffy theory's and arguments.
HTH.[emoji4]

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[forthefreefood]

Lol 40 threads!!!!

Summary:

No COD has been released.
Nothing has been released besides the picture stills and video recording. Everything you need to know can be found in the media thread. As usual we have filled mostly 40 threads with fluffy theory's and arguments.
HTH.[emoji4]

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We could fill up another 40 by rehashing everything!! ;P

 

[ninij9]

Just to clarify: are the benches on both sides of the bridge, meaning once you cross over the bridge (heading southeast) are there benches on the south side too?

I guess I thought that the land on the other side of the bridge was not part of the trail system so there would not be benches there?

They sure made it attractive to people benches being on both sides, especially as it isn't meant to be crossed. Interesting.

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[Peace777]

I'm still wondering about what the "twist" in the case may be as this is what one of the LE had said.
I'm wondering did this monster just kill these poor girls for the "fun", "thrill" of it.:gaah: <modsnip> And LE won't say if 1 or both were sexually assaulted, if they weren't then what could be the motive? Even after finding 2 girls murdered LE never gave a warning they had a sexual predator in the area and no real serious warning of danger? Not sure what to make of why that didn't happen.....