IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #45

[KyMom]

My gut feeling is that they most likely were infact killed pretty quickly, and that they weren't found right away bc they simply weren't searching in the right spot. It's my belief that they more than likely focused much of the early attention on the trail area and back towards town. JMO


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This is what I've always thought too. I don't think he took them anywhere & brought them back. I believe the area where they were found is as far as he took them and he probably didn't waste much time before he killed them. He wouldn't have any idea if other people might show up, so I can't see him taking his time and risk having the girls scream or anyone spotting him.

jmo

 

[Bemused]

Only that is was on Canal Street.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...-home-finds-no-link-delphi-killings/98407258/

According to FBI, no connection, paraphrase.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I know! And there are hundreds of cases where they warn the public. Zodiac Killer, Hillside Stranglers, Ted Bundy (before he was caught and after he escaped), Green River Killer, and that's just naming the most popular.

I'll have to look up the Green River one.

 

[ocgrad]

So is it possible that LE didn't search the area they were found until they were found? Meaning, is it possible the girls could have been killed immediately, left where they were killed and LE just didn't find them until the next day?

In the true crime reading I've done, a lot of these crimes happen usually pretty quickly. I think I sort of got the impression that he may have taken them somewhere and came back. But that probably didn't happen.

An individual searcher, not LE or even fire rescue, found their bodies.
I believe they were taken somewhere and their bodies brought back. I don't believe they walked down the hill, then down the ravine and down the steep creek bank and across the creek and back up the other side.

 

[Bemused]

An individual searcher, not LE or even fire rescue, found their bodies.
I believe they were taken somewhere and their bodies brought back. I don't believe they walked down the hill, then down the ravine and down the steep creek bank and across the creek and back up the other side.

Ocgrad, is there a citation that only a single volunteer discovered the bodies? I'm wondering if LE had the volunteers pair up or they'd all just searched individually. TIA

 

[Oregonmama]

This is what I've always thought too. I don't think he took them anywhere & brought them back. I believe the area where they were found is as far as he took them and he probably didn't waste much time before he killed them. He wouldn't have any idea if other people might show up, so I can't see him taking his time and risk having the girls scream or anyone spotting him.

jmo

who is "he" ?

 

[expatCanada]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

He thanked volunteers who helped search the base of the bridge and surrounding trails for the girls, whose bodies were found by one of those volunteers.

Ocgrad, is there a citation that only a single volunteer discovered the bodies? I'm wondering if LE had the volunteers pair up or they'd all just searched individually. TIA

 

[Bemused]

I'll have to look up the Green River one.

Horrifying and, IIRC, they'd encountered Gary Ridgway prior to getting the goods on him. I think he's the one who took his son on a body dump, too. Sick. IMO

 

[kittymittons]

I'll have to look up the Green River one.

Green River Killer is one of if not the most prolific serial killer in US history. OT.

 

[Bemused]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

He thanked volunteers who helped search the base of the bridge and surrounding trails for the girls, whose bodies were found by one of those volunteers.

Thank you. I'm sure LE has put this person under the microscope because sometimes the killer "helps" search and leads them to or discovers the victim(s).

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

This is what I've always thought too. I don't think he took them anywhere & brought them back. I believe the area where they were found is as far as he took them and he probably didn't waste much time before he killed them. He wouldn't have any idea if other people might show up, so I can't see him taking his time and risk having the girls scream or anyone spotting him.

jmo

JMO...
This is why I lean towards thinking there may have been two perpetrators instead of just one.
JMO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Do you remember this video from before the girls were taken? It shows snow on the ground.

[video=youtube;y0MNncO9lLs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0MNncO9lLs[/video]

That water looks deep to me and is this the day before?

 

[ReggieHammond]

God forbid, I hope they catch this guy or these people before it comes to that then....



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Likewise...but who knows, this could be an isolated case, i.e. someone who knows the girls. Which is also why LE can't jump the gun, and frighten the public moreso than they already are. Unless they get convincing evidence that the community is in fact in immediate danger. I personally believe we may be dealing with a SK here, but until LE confirms it, it's just MOO. Unfortunately, if it is a SK, or a budding one even, LE may not know unless the guy slips up, or there is another incident. Someone knows who BG is, IMO.

 

[expatCanada]

It was uploaded to youtube on Feb 11, 2017

That water looks deep to me and is this the day before?

 

[Spellbound]

The one I think I remember seeing was a media reporter after the murders but within a few days. He walks a few feet on the bridge, retraces his steps and then goes off "down the hill" next to the bridge in what I guess was his attempt to reenact the down the hill scenario. He was rather young and thin as I recall. I'll try to look in my safari history because I'm sure I'll recognize his face. Thanks

ETA Still looking. I remember him commenting on the leaves crunching while he started down the hill and he said that sound was also heard on the audio of down the hill LE released. It's maddening because I watched it yesterday.

@1.07 the reporter you mentioned is seen:

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...-indiana-murder-mystery-as-reward-reaches-50g

 

[Bemused]

It was uploaded to youtube on Feb 11, 2017

Someone mentioned many posts ago noticing there were parts of the creek with rocks and sandbars where someone could cross on foot. IOW, not impossible even if they had to be careful. Or am I misremembering again? Maybe it was Ninij9?

 

[Falling Down]

(never mind, wrong quote)

 

[Agent Apricot]

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2017/02/14/search-continues-missing-carroll-co-girls/97885722/


"Search parties scoured the base of the bridge and surrounding trails Monday night, but darkness made the searches nearly impossible" Leazenby said. "With darkness last night, we probably didn't pick up on everything," he said. "With daylight in our favor, we're sending folks back out to basically back track where we've already been".....

 

[Agent Apricot]

http://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_031b521c-f2e3-11e6-a249-a77587cb24f9.html

"They had been instructed to stay away from the area where the girls had last been seen because search dogs were out. Authorities told volunteers they didn’t want to chance contaminating the scene."

"Crews were being sent out 10 to 12 people at a time to help cover an area of 20 to 25 square miles, Leazenby said."

 

[Bemused]

@1.07 the reporter you mentioned is seen:

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...-indiana-murder-mystery-as-reward-reaches-50g

Thank you so much because it was driving me nuts. Apparently there wasn't snow on this video but another but that's the guy who mentioned crunching of leaves as he went down the hill. Your search skills are pretty impressive!