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yes!!i agree! And i think, imo, that the same linking-person is not talking, which is horrible. Moo
yes!!i agree! And i think, imo, that the same linking-person is not talking, which is horrible. Moo
http://www.carrollcountycomet.com/n...ers_establish_Community_Corrections_Prog.html
This article describes some of the services offered.
This is in response to this post and others in the topic.
IMO he was looking at the "find my iPhone" app or another GPS tracker rather than actual pings to cell towers and simply used the term "pinging". I probably would use that term as well just for lack of a better term to describe it.
It's also possible that he was able to contact Apple, Google, and/or whatever service provider she used and depending on parental settings that may have been on the account, it's possible (not likely IMO) that he was able to get records of the cell phone actually pinging cell towers.
But if that's the case it's worth mentioning what others have mentioned here too- this is a small town. There are likely only a few (someone said 2?) cell towers in Delphi and that may cause reporting to be misleading.
Not to mention what we all learned in the Serial case, pings to towers are not the most reliable source of info.
If I'm understanding correctly, outbound calls are the only reliable source of cell tower evidence, and it's highly unlikely someone actually used the phone to place a call during this time (a few hours after they were declared missing).
IMO it's also unlikely the carrier would share the ping info with LG's grandfather so soon after they're reported missing - although maybe someone has more insight on this if LE is involved.
So, I conclude IMO that he was probably referring to GPS pings rather than cell tower pings.
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This was an isolated area with few options - trying to run past an adult male on a rickety bridge, taking off into a wooded area that created more isolation, or jumping off the bridge. In addition to these lousy options, my guess is there was activity and/or a threat as he approached and made contact that sealed the fate of these girls.
Perhaps they could have reasoned that they were done for and risked running from a gun aimed at their backs, or Libby could have said to heck with Abby and taken off, but this is placing heavy burden on two kids to save themselves in a situation where we can't see what decisions they faced, under who knows what threat or sense of terror.
I honestly don't know that LE did the victims or this case any favors by cranking the volume on the heroism narrative. I think what Libby got on her phone is miraculous, and I will not be surprised if we hear at some point that both girls fought back, even at the murder scene. But as an adult woman, I'm not sure I could have done any better. JMO
http://www.carrollcountycomet.com/n...ers_establish_Community_Corrections_Prog.html
This article describes some of the services offered.
Hi just my my opinion of course, but I think the cemetery would be too active a place to leave a car while out committing a crime. But I agree that the cemetery is an important part of this crime.Regarding my theory that the suspect parked at the cemetery and entered the bridge from the SE end, a couple of people have asked why his pants are not obviously wet in the photo. I think I have the answer.
This afternoon when I returned to my car, the tires and part of the rims of my tires were under water. I couldn't get to my car without stepping in six inches of water. Without much thinking, I decided to take off my socks and shoes and wade in the murky parking lot water. The bottom of my jeans got wet, but once my feet dried, I put on my socks and shoes and ran errands. The bottoms of my jeans did not look wet but they were a bit wet. My shoes were dry.
If the suspect was not wearing boots, I think he most likely removed his shoes to cross the creek on his way to abduct the girls. I think he kept his shoes on after he had abducted them. I think he went home with wet, smelly socks and shoes that day.
I've attached a couple of maps I put together based on parking at the cemetery, crossing Deer Creek, going up the hill, passing the girls at the SE end of the bridge, after seeing that no one else was on the bridge he turned around and forced them to go "down the hill". He then forced them to cross the creek where they were murdered, and then he walked the short distance back to his vehicle at the cemetery. Some people have added that he could have been on a motorcycle, which would be easier to hide in the trees at the South end of the cemetery.
EXCLUSIVE: 'I know my strong-willed girl fought for her life.' Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens tells of family's devastation as police say 'we're back to square one'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-one-murdered-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html
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This is NOT a bad habit. Not at all. This is what real sleuths do. It's called having an open mind. These murder investigations are fluid..We probably have about 1% of the info LE does. (and I'm being generous) and new info comes forward all the time.
A bad habit would be to hold a theory like a dog with a bone and be inflexible to anyone else's thoughts/points.
I think that's a great quality to have.
Nice thing about opinions--they don't have to be the same.
Hi just my my opinion of course, but I think the cemetery would be too active a place to leave a car while out committing a crime. But I agree that the cemetery is an important part of this crime.
My theory is that there is a person out there with psychological ties to the location. I think male relatives (in laws cousins etc) of the families who had attended the services at that cemetery fairly recently would be at the top of my list to interview. Especially someone who had known the place before or spent time there as a child or teen.
Is he carrying a video camera (the large light object) from his belt? Maybe they were taken around town to take pictures and that is why the cell phone was pinging around town.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...-later-5-questions-delphi-killings/100413504/
This reminds me of something that seemed important in the few days after the murders. One of Libby's GP's said that "she fought hard" or something to that effect. Anyone else remember that? If he got that from LE, then it would have been a big clue, at the time. Not now, of course. But I also remember thinking that unless he/they are total hermits, someone saw the signs of physical struggle all over some guy's face/arms, and STILL didn't turn them in. It's my opinion that people who deliberately wait to turn in a murderer should face some very serious consequences. JMO, of course.
If Judge accepts the Petition he will be put on house arrest or tether by Community Corrections and will have to get counseling and drug and alcohol testing.mooHe already has 31 days to his credit and I could be wrong but personally, I don't think he'll wind up serving all the rest behind bars.
jmo.
If the closest tower to the cell phone is too busy the next closest tower will be used for signal.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...-later-5-questions-delphi-killings/100413504/This is the site where I found the picture with 'camera'. Scroll through the article carefully to the bottom. The site to do a pop/up so scroll slowly. I could swear the light object that seems to hang from his belt is some type of camera. Please ck.
Usually 911 Communication Centers have the ability to contact the cell phone providers at have them ping a particular phone. I hear this kind of activity one or two times a week when listening to our county LE on scanner. They get calls where there is a hangup and no answer on call back and when it comes from a cell phone they try to determine the location. There isn't a need for a subpoena to ping a particular phone. I suspect that LE used that capability in this case at some point when the search for the girls was on-going.Not sure about that myself, and it is one of the things that has bothered me so much about this case (Libby's granddad, in early reports, stating her cell phone was pinging about).
I lost my iPhone tonight (forgot my son had been playing with it in the backseat of the car). I used the Find my iPhone feature, and found it immediately.
That being said, the pinging information was shared quickly. It would take some time for LE to subpoena this info from the phone company, so I wonder if it was a feature like Find My iPhone that led to this quote.
Regarding my theory that the suspect parked at the cemetery and entered the bridge from the SE end, a couple of people have asked why his pants are not obviously wet in the photo. I think I have the answer.
This afternoon when I returned to my car, the tires and part of the rims of my tires were under water. I couldn't get to my car without stepping in six inches of water. Without much thinking, I decided to take off my socks and shoes and wade in the murky parking lot water. The bottom of my jeans got wet, but once my feet dried, I put on my socks and shoes and ran errands. The bottoms of my jeans did not look wet but they were a bit wet. My shoes were dry.
If the suspect was not wearing boots, I think he most likely removed his shoes to cross the creek on his way to abduct the girls. I think he kept his shoes on after he had abducted them. I think he went home with wet, smelly socks and shoes that day.
I've attached a couple of maps I put together based on parking at the cemetery, crossing Deer Creek, going up the hill, passing the girls at the SE end of the bridge, after seeing that no one else was on the bridge he turned around and forced them to go "down the hill". He then forced them to cross the creek where they were murdered, and then he walked the short distance back to his vehicle at the cemetery. Some people have added that he could have been on a motorcycle, which would be easier to hide in the trees at the South end of the cemetery.
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